Fudoh's ode to old display technology

[atheistgod1999]

how much do those cost

[BazookaBen]

Some A32 images on request.

Awesome man, extra respect for putting movie shots in there too! People forget that these are some of the best displays for watching films, too.

[tacoguy64]

Some A32 images on request.

so glorious!
Is that movie on DVD or Blue Ray?

[FinalBaton]

If I ever replace the NEC XM37 Plus for another big monitor : it will be a BVM-D/A32

One day, it shall be mine

*purses lips, clenches fist and looks at the sky*

[sixbynine]

Might have to change my shorts after seeing those Super Bomberman pictures.

Saturn Bomberman

how much do those cost

Hard to say, I pad a bit more than a thousand Euros, but these don’t come around very often (in fact pretty much never) so I went for it. No regrets!

Some A32 images on request.

so glorious!
Is that movie on DVD or Blue Ray?

It’s a BluRay Rip, this is showing 720p. Image quality is basically like a very good display (compared it to an Eizo CG30W). Except with way better contrast, refresh rate and the wonderful CRT glow. Very hard to photograph the high res modes, though.

[bobrocks95]

Might have to change my shorts after seeing those Super Bomberman pictures.

Saturn Bomberman

Odds were in my favor guessing Super Bomberman, I'm far too poor to have played Saturn Bomberman haha. Looks like Hudson pretty much never changed the UI so I gave it a shot.

[Einzelherz]

Saturn Bomberman looks just like my 14L5, but twice as large! Super envious!

[Exidna]

Saturn Bomberman looks just like my 14L5, but twice as large! Super envious!

A bit more than that...

It’s a BluRay Rip, this is showing 720p. Image quality is basically like a very good display (compared it to an Eizo CG30W). Except with way better contrast, refresh rate and the wonderful CRT glow. Very hard to photograph the high res modes, though.

Here's the frame from the actual Blu-ray if anyone is wanting to compare.
For movies, I don't know that a CRT would be my first choice now.

Upscaling has reached the point that SD movies look better when upscaled on a CRT than displayed at native resolution - so the ability to display them at native res. is no longer an advantage.
Though a CRT can do black well, their low ANSI contrast is quite apparent these days.
I think I'd pick a larger local-dimming LCD or an OLED TV instead of a CRT for watching movies now - even a 32" BVM.
I wouldn't say no to owning a 32" BVM, it just wouldn't be my choice for movies.

[Einzelherz]

Saturn Bomberman looks just like my 14L5, but twice as large! Super envious!

A bit more than that...

Sorry man, I only do integer scaling

[FinalBaton]

Saturn Bomberman looks just like my 14L5, but twice as large! Super envious!

A bit more than that...

It’s a BluRay Rip, this is showing 720p. Image quality is basically like a very good display (compared it to an Eizo CG30W). Except with way better contrast, refresh rate and the wonderful CRT glow. Very hard to photograph the high res modes, though.

Here's the frame from the actual Blu-ray if anyone is wanting to compare.
For movies, I don't know that a CRT would be my first choice now.

Upscaling has reached the point that SD movies look better when upscaled on a CRT than displayed at native resolution - so the ability to display them at native res. is no longer an advantage.
Though a CRT can do black well, their low ANSI contrast is quite apparent these days.
I think I'd pick a larger local-dimming LCD or an OLED TV instead of a CRT for watching movies now - even a 32" BVM.
I wouldn't say no to owning a 32" BVM, it just wouldn't be my choice for movies.

If I could get my hands on one I would definitely watch movies on it once in a while. I think the contrast on those is hard to beat. That is a true testament to the tech, that even now consumer flat panels barely match its contrast level (granted we're talking consumer flat panels and not professional ones). The glow of a CRT and how those rich colors just jumps at you is something that's lost on flat panels. I also love the soft flicker

For me a part of the appeal is certainly that : marvelling at the (amazing) performance this old tech can still provide.
Its like I'm saying in my head : "you go! show this LCD what you're made of! I'm rooting for you!". I think I just pinpointed how I feel about CRTs : I root for them. And to see them perform this incredibly well really warms my heart.



Oh and by the way : these monitors were still used until fairly recently by studios to edit, do color correction and do the transfer to video, so they are no slouch

[FinalBaton]

Sorry man, I only do integer scaling

lol nice. I love me some video geek humour

[arcade-stg]

I would like to see one of these BVM32 in a spanish shumpmeet one day. About 25" of 4:3 BVM goodness

[sixbynine]

FinalBaton: I completely agree. I just really love analogue tech and to see how it’s discarded is unjustified in my opinion. Of course there are many advantages of a good LCD, but there’s still room for the old stuff I think. You could call it nostalgic or something, but just take a look of a good medium format scan versus what a (semi affordable) digital camera can do. Same goes for analogue electronic music instruments by the way.

[nissling]

That is a true testament to the tech, that even now consumer flat panels barely match its contrast level (granted we're talking consumer flat panels and not professional ones).

The recent G/E6-series by LG (which will be followed by C6 and B6 as well) clearly outperform CRTs in terms of contrast ratio, although earlier generations of OLED screens probably did as well. For several years CRTs was the best in terms of on/off contrast but when it comes to ANSI they have never been that great and even early generations of plasma and LCD screens were far superior.

[FinalBaton]

FinalBaton: I completely agree. I just really love analogue tech and to see how it’s discarded is unjustified in my opinion. Of course there are many advantages of a good LCD, but there’s still room for the old stuff I think. You could call it nostalgic or something, but just take a look of a good medium format scan versus what a (semi affordable) digital camera can do. Same goes for analogue electronic music instruments by the way.

*thumbs up*

You really see things on this front just like I do

I also LOVE movies shot on reel, and music recorded on reel. Two other very good examples of analog mediums that perform extremely well

And like you I want digital and analog to both coexist

[atheistgod1999]

FinalBaton: I completely agree. I just really love analogue tech and to see how it’s discarded is unjustified in my opinion. Of course there are many advantages of a good LCD, but there’s still room for the old stuff I think. You could call it nostalgic or something, but just take a look of a good medium format scan versus what a (semi affordable) digital camera can do. Same goes for analogue electronic music instruments by the way.

*thumbs up*

You really see things on this front just like I do

I also LOVE movies shot on reel, and music recorded on reel. Two other very good examples of analog mediums that perform extremely well

And like you I want digital and analog to both coexist

Me too

[bobrocks95]

I don't feel strongly about analog at all, I just want another display type that's non-fixed-pixel while I'm young enough to enjoy it

[Brad251]

Someone an hour away from me is selling a Sony kv-27fv310 for $40 in good condition. Is this a good price?

[Ikaruga11]

Someone an hour away from me is selling a Sony kv-27fv310 for $40 in good condition. Is this a good price?

Yes. Grab it immediately.

[Brad251]

Yes. Grab it immediately.

Awesome. What is funny is that this guy was listing it for $90 on Craigslist and I never intended to pay $90 so I sent him an email asking if he would take $40 for the TV just for the hell of it. I never thought the guy would actually agree to the price. I guess I got damn lucky here. In the pictures on Craigslist the TV appears to be in perfect condition.

What price would you guys generally expect to pay for a used Sony kv-fv310?

[Einzelherz]

I thought I found one on CL 3.5 hours away for $35. Turns out it's a 27FS320, and while I'm fairly certain the tubes are identical, it just doesn't capture my imagination as much.

[bobrocks95]

I thought I found one on CL 3.5 hours away for $35. Turns out it's a 27FS320, and while I'm fairly certain the tubes are identical, it just doesn't capture my imagination as much.

Probably doesn't have a high-voltage regulator, fewer ports, maybe a different comb filter even. Just missing some knick-knacks I suppose.

I drove about an hour and a half and paid I think $135 for my 32FV310, then beat the hell out of it getting it out of the person's house, which might be my greatest life regret so far. I haven't seen one within a hundred miles since (though I stopped looking for a time). It did have the stand, and while it's nice, I wouldn't value it that highly.

[FinalBaton]

Someone an hour away from me is selling a Sony kv-27fv310 for $40 in good condition. Is this a good price?

This is a good deal for a great consumer CRT. You absolutely need to go check it out ^_^

Make sure to test it's horizontal linearity before you buy it, though.
Bring a console with a game where you can make the background scroll, like a platformer, or a shmup (or even better : Artemio's 240p suite loaded unto an Everdrive for SNES, GEN. or burnt onto a cd for the Dreamcast. and use the scrolling test)

[Brad251]

Someone an hour away from me is selling a Sony kv-27fv310 for $40 in good condition. Is this a good price?

This is a good deal for a great consumer CRT. You absolutely need to go check it out ^_^

Make sure to test it's horizontal linearity before you buy it, though.
Bring a console with a game where you can make the background scroll, like a platformer, or a shmup (or even better : Artemio's 240p suite loaded unto an Everdrive for SNES, GEN. or burnt onto a cd for the Dreamcast. and use the scrolling test)

Artemio's 240p suite is great. I use the Wii version and run it from the homebrew channel. I actually passed on the last two CRT TVs I checked out because of the picture flaws that the 240p suite made easily apparent.

[FinalBaton]

Messed around with the PS3 displayed on the NEC, in HD.

Gotta say, the detail level is not bad. Not bad at all

Taken with a shitty phone camera

[amaradona]

After few years in tate, i am running into few issues with my pc crt.
The screen flickers when in vertical but it is ok when the monitor is back on yoko.
Shall i try to open it, after carefully discharged it, and found out if it is related to the neck board? Or it is already too late?

[BazookaBen]

After few years in tate, i am running into few issues with my pc crt.
The screen flickers when in vertical but it is ok when the monitor is back on yoko.
Shall i try to open it, after carefully discharged it, and found out if it is related to the neck board? Or it is already too late?

Depends on how bad the flickering is. If it's light, it could just be from another electronic device in the room, like speakers or another CRT.

[SNK-NEO-GEO]

I laughed so hard after reading the last sentence:)..

If I ever replace the NEC XM37 Plus for another big monitor : it will be a BVM-D/A32

One day, it shall be mine

*purses lips, clenches fist and looks at the sky*

[h1ghju1ce]

NEC XM29 + flightcase has appeared on Ebay, from North London

This is the 1st one I've ever seen on there:

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/NEC-Multisync ... Sw3mpXHgp4

[Einzelherz]

I don't know how well this conforms to the topic on hand, but since Fudoh and others know their plasmas well, what opinions do you guys have on the Pioneer PDP-434CMX? It's 1024x768 16:9 which makes me uneasy, but I recall that in the samsung 720p plasma thread from a while back, this resolution can still make SD signals look great if they're processed well. In doing some research it seems that I can send 480i signals to it with the analog RGB board PDA-5003, so I can at the very least HOPE that it will understand a 240p signal.