Prelude to the Apocalypse

[Durandal]

The promises... :

On the economy:

• "Change has to come from outside our very broken system."
  "We've doubled our national debt to $20 trillion under President Obama."
  "Nearly 1 in 4 Americans in their prime earning years isn't even working."
  "I am asking the American people to dream big once again."
  "Will withdraw the U.S. from the Trans-Pacific Partnership.
  "Will cancel every un-Constitutional executive action, memorandum, and order issued by President Obama."
  "We will cancel all federal funding of sanctuary cities."
  "The veterans will finally be taken care of properly."
  "If we follow these steps, we will once more have a government of, by, and for the people."

On Obamacare:

• "Fully repeal ObamaCare and replace it with health savings accounts."

On education:

• "We are going to end Common Core."

On tax reform:

• "Tax forms will be greatly simplified."
  "When they know there are consequences, our companies will stop leaving the United States."

On voter fraud:

• "1.8 million dead people are registered to vote. And some of them are voting."
  "2.8 million people are registered in more than one state... 14% of non-citizens are registered to vote."
  "According to Pew, there are 24 million voter registrations in the United States that are either invalid or significantly inaccurate."
  "Just been learned on video that the violent protests at some of my rallies...were caused by paid DNC & Clinton campaign operatives."

On immigration:

• "We're going to suspect immigration from terror-prone regions."

On Hillary:

• "Hillary Clinton should have been precluded from running... but the FBI and the Justice Dept. covered up her crimes."
  "Hillary Clinton is not running against me. She's running against change."
  "HillaryClinton is... running against all of the American people and all of the American voters.

On shmups:

• "Resource management over NMNB'ing. Definitely."
  "Make R-Type great again... We're gonna have a 3D sequel that's faithful to the original."
  "Gonna revive Raizing by presidential decree."

In terms of actual political measures that Trump would propose and/or enact, he listed the following six:

1. "A Constitutional Amendment to impose term limits on all members of Congress."
2. "A hiring freeze on all federal employees."
3. "A requirement that for every new federal regulation, 2 existing regulations must be eliminated."
4. "A 5-year ban on White House and Congressional officials becoming lobbyists after they leave government."
5. "A lifetime ban on White House officials lobbying on behalf of a foreign government."
6. "A complete ban on foreign lobbyists raising money for American elections."

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-10-2 ... highlights

[EmperorIng]

When you earlier said that Hillary Clinton was a lesbian and posted pictures of her with Huma Abedin as proof, was that serious or were you being sarcastic?

See? I told you. It was blindingly obvious; liberals just have no sense of humor!

[BulletMagnet]

See? I told you. It was blindingly obvious; liberals just have no sense of humor!

Again, "Hillary's actually a lesbian and Chelsea's not really their daughter" has been making the talk radio rounds since the '90's. I'm telling you, man, all this stuff we're supposed to suddenly "have a sense of humor" about has been presented as fact by the right for years. Thousands if not millions of voters have been deliberately led to actually believe this.

[BryanM]

Is "Benghazi!" supposed to be a joke, too?

Because it seriously seems like conservatives think that 200+ or so xenos shouldn't be able to kill one single American even if they worked together, under any circumstance.

It's completely farcical that they posit that as a special unforgivable failure of Hillary Clinton (one that Bush was "guilty" of multiple times over). I should find it quite amusing when they claim real life is supposed to work like Dragon Ball Z.

But I don't. It's not the least bit funny. It's morbid, vile, and disgusting.

And I'm a guy who assumes Hillary forces Bill to fuck rabbits to death in front of her, as that's the only way she can get off, sexually. - There's not much left that shocks me. Mitt Romney tapdancing for joy trying to "score points" before the bodies were even cold - that goes far, far beyond the Human Centipede or "grab her by the pussy" in lack of basic human decency.

[quash]

You can laugh at the far-fetchedness, you can also read about how Russia's internet disinformation strategy is very well know to work, what are web-brigades and how their members act. He's part of that period.

If only you knew just how much of the US military is against intervening in Syria. From the lowliest grunt to the Chief of Staff himself, over half of the military wants nothing to do with this CIA subversion bullshit.

I've already had an independent third party verify my affiliation in this thread, though I didn't ask him to. So if you aren't joking, and are actually completely serious about this, I have some Super Male Vitality to sell you.

[neorichieb1971]

As an outsider I believe Trump says some of the right things but in the wrong way. But somehow those speeches of "the man on the street" are what people have been crying out for for decades. His whole campaign is about lying with a "man on the street" tongue which is what non voters can understand.

Funny that you had it at the beginning then you lost it right away. Yes, Trump says some of the right things. How he says them is besides the point, considering he's the only one who's up there saying them, wouldn't you agree? And those are the things that the "man on the street" (whom you seem to giving very little credit for) has been waiting to hear for a long time now, NOT whatever it is you think the man on the street likes to year, which makes Trump's overabundant use of empty platitudes kinda redundant in hindsight. To wit: he skyrocketed ahead of the GOP primaries by being the first conservative with enough balls to drop a few bombs on the immigration question. His supposed "populist" rhetoric was always just filler, not the main course.

I think what Trump says on immigration has merit. I also believe when he talks like the man on the street has merit. But damn does he wriggle like a worm when constested on issues regarding his own demeanor. But like Michael Jackson I only vote on what counts, the talent. I think Trump has it, but he gave himself a serious handicap by being himself.

[Ikaruga11]

I think what Trump says on immigration has merit. I also believe when he talks like the man on the street has merit. But damn does he wriggle like a worm when constested on issues regarding his own demeanor. But like Michael Jackson I only vote on what counts, the talent. I think Trump has it, but he gave himself a serious handicap by being himself.

[EmperorIng]

Again, "Hillary's actually a lesbian and Chelsea's not really their daughter" has been making the talk radio rounds since the '90's. I'm telling you, man, all this stuff we're supposed to suddenly "have a sense of humor" about has been presented as fact by the right for years. Thousands if not millions of voters have been deliberately led to actually believe this.

Proving my point with the "no sense of humor" thing. If you can't laugh at silly things I can't help you.

[Opus131]

Neither of them are weeaboo.

I disagree. I think Trump is going to make anime great again.

[Opus131]

As an outsider I believe Trump says some of the right things but in the wrong way. But somehow those speeches of "the man on the street" are what people have been crying out for for decades. His whole campaign is about lying with a "man on the street" tongue which is what non voters can understand.

Funny that you had it at the beginning then you lost it right away. Yes, Trump says some of the right things. How he says them is besides the point, considering he's the only one who's up there saying them, wouldn't you agree? And those are the things that the "man on the street" (whom you seem to giving very little credit for) has been waiting to hear for a long time now, NOT whatever it is you think the man on the street likes to year, which makes Trump's overabundant use of empty platitudes kinda redundant in hindsight. To wit: he skyrocketed ahead of the GOP primaries by being the first conservative with enough balls to drop a few bombs on the immigration question. His supposed "populist" rhetoric was always just filler, not the main course.

I think what Trump says on immigration has merit. I also believe when he talks like the man on the street has merit. But damn does he wriggle like a worm when constested on issues regarding his own demeanor. But like Michael Jackson I only vote on what counts, the talent. I think Trump has it, but he gave himself a serious handicap by being himself.

Well, i think it is clear at this point that this is the "beggars can't be choosers" election. If you are a globalist, progressive and/or communist shill (lol), go for the candidate whose scandals make Watergate look like kid's stuff. If you are conservative or a nationalist go for the inarticulate oaf whose only virtue appears to be balls (which the GOP was in desperate need of, but alas they refused to uncuck themselves until the very end, making themselves virtually unelectable from there on) and a plethora of issues many of us agree with.

[neorichieb1971]

The USA has so many broken mechanisms that haven't been looked at for decades. The people don't know when they have a good thing.. and they think that fighting for something better will make things better. But you can't make something out of nothing and most Americans want the old American life by doing nothing. If Trump creates millions of manufacturing jobs, millions of building jobs.. Who's going to apply? Certainly there are no trained workers in the USA that can build things. Certainly they can design things, but build them? Isn't the education system in the USA the same in the UK where kids are taught to aim higher than minimum wage and to go on welfare if they cannot get a job standing around using their cell phone?

So yeah, this new world Trump wants isn't going to come easy. You would have to retrain all those people aged 20+ that working your balls off, sweating for a 10-12 hour shift and getting your hands dirty is the new USA. And thats a good thing.. I don't buy it.

[Opus131]

That's just about the most millenial thing i've ever read in my life.

[neorichieb1971]

That's just about the most millenial thing i've ever read in my life.

I will admit that the UK is further advanced in this field than the USA. I work with 15 other people, 4 people on 4 shifts. There is only myself and one other guy who will bust a gut to get a job done. The others will watch in amazement. If you struggle they will make a token effort and then bugger off.

If what Trump is doing in the USA was being done here, there would be a wake up call and it would get ugly pretty quickly. And the main reason the UK is further afield than the USA is the welfare system itself. Its too generous and the white English folks in the UK just want to do nothing and get paid a fortune for doing exactly that. As for immigration I know agencies that don't even take applications from white English folks because they don't turn up, report sick, turn up and moan or do bugger all. Meanwhile the immigrants from Poland turn up, do a shift and go home.

So yeah.. the harsh reality is that you need Japanese mentality.. Build up some pride in people.. Make people believe your part of something bigger than yourself and to build your country off your own backs. Thats what Trump is selling.. lets see who buys.


And don't get me started on what Hillary and Bill have done. I didn't see them with dirty hands in their careers. They sign bits of paper and although that starts the chain of events, you could hardly say your responsible for shifting the landscape by signing a piece of paper. Which probably was off the back of a bribe that netted them millions of dollars in the proceedings.

And one thing that irks me about Trump is how he brings up money all the time. Sometimes doing the right thing is the right thing, regardless of money. But thats just me I suppose. You can't do shit without money these days. The USA has money to spend, spend it wisely.

[Mischief Maker]

But like Michael Jackson I only vote on what counts, the talent. I think Trump has it, but he gave himself a serious handicap by being himself.

How dare you piss on the grave of Michael Jackson like that! He had actual demonstrable talent!

If you're looking for an analogue for Trump's talent, a closer choice would be Kim Kardashian... Actually no. Kim's businesses stayed afloat. I guess the better analogue for Trump's talent would be Paris Hilton? No, she's proven to be much more successful and less foolhardy in her business practices than Trump.

Fred Trump made Donald's money. Tony Schwartz wrote The Art of the Deal. Jack Mitnick used the real estate tax loopholes to give Trump his decade plus tax holiday. Writers and producers for NBC created "The Apprentice." Trump's lawyers filed all the frivolous SLAPP lawsuits that made banks decide it's cheaper to take a bath on loans they gave him than play billable-hour chicken with a rich brat.

If Donald Trump truly is as rich and successful as he claims to be, why does he refuse to release his tax returns (the IRS has confirmed an audit is no bar to releasing them)? Why is it when he did his comedy central roast, the one subject he made off limit for jokes was questions about his actual net worth? What kind of multi-billionaire would risk jail time for fraud and racketeering with the Trump University scam when take was never more than 5 figures for each mark? (One billion dollars, remember, is as much money as 1000 millionaires combined).

I've said it before and I'll say it again. You don't need to be smart to be a con artist. You just need to be aggressive and double-down when someone catches you in a lie. (WRONG!) I've talked to plenty of men with all the charisma of Trump across the glass in maximum security prisons.

[neorichieb1971]

But like Michael Jackson I only vote on what counts, the talent. I think Trump has it, but he gave himself a serious handicap by being himself.

How dare you piss on the grave of Michael Jackson like that! He had actual demonstrable talent!

If you're looking for an analogue for Trump's talent, a closer choice would be Kim Kardashian... Actually no. Kim's businesses stayed afloat.

I guess the better analogue for Trump's talent would be Paris Hilton? No, she's proven to be much more successful and less foolhardy in her business practices than Trump.

Fred Trump made Donald's money. Tony Schwartz wrote The Art of the Deal. Jack Mitnick used the real estate tax loopholes to give Trump his decade plus tax holiday. Writers and producers for NBC created "The Apprentice." Trump's lawyers filed all the frivolous SLAPP lawsuits that made banks decide it's cheaper to take a bath on loans they gave him than play billable-hour chicken with a rich brat.

If Donald Trump truly is as rich and successful as he claims to be, why does he refuse to release his tax returns (the IRS has confirmed an audit is no bar to releasing them)? Why is it when he did his comedy central roast, the one subject he made off limit for jokes was questions about his actual net worth? What kind of multi-billionaire would risk jail time for fraud and racketeering with the Trump U scam when the return on investment was never more than 5 figures for each mark? (One billion dollars, remember, is as much money as 1000 millionaires combined).

I've said it before and I'll say it again. You don't need to be smart to be a con artist. You just need to be aggressive and double-down when someone catches you in a lie. (WRONG!) I've talked to plenty of men with all the charisma of Trump across the glass in maximum security prisons.

None of this matters. Even if Clinton wins, she will have to keep the millions of Trump voters semi happy and will have to steer the country towards neutral ground. Trump is winning already without actually winning anything at all. If Clinton wins this Presidential election and does nothing to appease the opposition your country will become a Civil war territory. If I didn't know better I'd say Trump wants a game changing situation to happen and he doesn't care if it takes Civil or Nuclear war to get it. He wants the rule book ripped up into little pieces and wants not only to be President but to reboot the system (and take credit for it).

Trump probably wants to win, but he is going to stir so much shit up your country will probably take a decade to get over it.

[BryanM]

If Trump creates millions of manufacturing jobs, millions of building jobs

How is that possible without the government hiring people?

How is that possible when we have the highest GDP manufacturing output in our countries history?

How is that possible when machines make things now, where even in China it's cheaper to mechanize than to have slaves?

How is that sustainable without raising taxes on the wealthy?



Trump is not an asshole Bernie Sanders. He's an asshole George Bush/Hillary Clinton. The benefit to Trump being president is we get four years of republican rule instead of eight. That's about it.

she will have to keep the millions of Trump voters semi happy

They will never be happy because they don't understand proper cause and effect. To appease them, she would have to die. Then kill all the xenos they blame for their own problems or shortcomings.

And they'd still be unhappy because nothing will change for them personally. Which is to be expected if you're dicking around with things that have no power or effect on anything.

Trump's stimulus plan

The same people who hated Obama's stimulus plan crow to the heavens over Trump's. What partisan bullshit. It's proof they don't care about this - they just want the xenos out, and then you can do anything you like.

[Opus131]

Trump is not an asshole Bernie Sanders. He's an asshole George Bush/Hillary Clinton.

Why bother even trying?

Trump is much clearly a Bernie Sanders type, except on the opposite side of the political spectrum (and the other side of the T scale i guess). Unless of course you are trying to imply that merely being right-wing is to be an Hillary Clinton. And i wonder whether that's the excuse you are using to justify what is happening with the Democratic Party. They are actually right-wing you see, the left dindu nuffin!

Of course, it bears repeating that nobody really cares what Trump is. All that matters is that someone, anyone, is actually out there doing the job the GOP couldn't do.

[BulletMagnet]

If you can't laugh at silly things I can't help you.

Not when they've been successfully utilized for decades to deliberately sabotage our discourse, no. "Al Gore said he invented the internet" was as "silly" as they come, but anyone who chooses to dismiss it as "all in good fun, quit your bellyaching" is expressing open contempt for both the will and well-being of the electorate.

[neorichieb1971]

Per worker. In the 1950's there were millions and millions of workers, now there are 10's of 1000's.

[BryanM]

Per worker. In the 1950's there were millions and millions of workers, now there are 10's of 1000's.

that's... the whole point, Richie...

Those people are unnecessary because we can make much, much more using much fewer people.

now there are 10's of 1000's

Incorrect. There are 12 million people employed in manufacturing in the usa.

In the 70's it was around 18 million.

As a percentage of the total population:

2010's: 4%
1970's: 8.7%

Per capita it has been cut a bit more than in half compared to what it was before.

Another point is the economy of scale and carry capacity - just because the population is 50% bigger than it used to be, that doesn't mean you need 50% more chicken factories to keep them fed.

This is why expanding the war state is so important - it's the only politically acceptable jobs program to our overlords. And it's acceptable to them because it's the best way to expand their share of capital.

"Al Gore said he invented the internet" was as "silly" as they come, but anyone who chooses to dismiss it as "all in good fun, quit your bellyaching" is expressing open contempt for both the will and well-being of the electorate.

Reality is boring, man. It won't sell if you just tell people facts. We have to zazz it up with lizard people and liberals who want to abort all babies. ... even though it's kind of boring that those stories never change...

This is similar somewhat to video games and movies. If every AAA movie and video game seems identical and cookie cutter, that's because the type of person who'll pay money for the stuff is just that way. People who want more stimulus eventually won't be satisfied by any mere movie or video game no matter what you put out.

So every election season it's the same old dog food. And the same old people who care.

[Xyga]

Since you spellbound mofos won't make the effort;

http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/arc ... al/501125/

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/a ... roll-house

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/31/world ... .html?_r=0

Or whatever bloody learn yourselves what are 'russian troll factories' or 'web brigades' if you seek to know more.
Then go on and keep saying quash isn't one of them, after reading him for so long unless you live on a little white cloud with ponies you'll realize it's real.

[Durandal]

Since you spellbound mofos won't make the effort;

http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/arc ... al/501125/

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/a ... roll-house

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/31/world ... .html?_r=0

Or whatever bloody learn yourselves what are 'russian troll factories' or 'web brigades' if you seek to know more.
Then go on and keep saying quash isn't one of them, after reading him for so long unless you live on a little white cloud with ponies you'll realize it's real.

Nah, that's some hokey. Clinton Foundation CTR shills on the other hand...

[Xyga]

[Opus131]

www.theatlantic.com

http://www.theguardian.com

http://www.nytimes.com

Didn't even click the articles. But it's cute the left now have their own George Soros.

[Xyga]

Of course, you'd click if it was breibart or RT, because they're sane, reliable sources eh ?

[atheistgod1999]

Is it just me, or is this by far the most frequently posted-in thread? Most of you don't even live in America!

[Xyga]

Well, it's wartime and US elections time, the two closely related, so naturally... but if you dig into the articles I've linked you might begin to have a clue of why, and because of whom, it is that active.

[Durandal]

Oh really now? How can you prove you aren't hired by Hillary Clinton to spread dis-info, or that I'm hired by Bungie to be a walking advertisement for the upcoming Marathon reboot? Checkmate, atheist.

[BulletMagnet]

Of course, you'd click if it was breibart or RT, because they're sane, reliable sources eh ?

Now more than ever!

[Xyga]

atheist.

Thanks!