The WORST Shooter you have ever played...

The Coop · Post by **The Coop** » Thu Nov 22, 2007 5:45 am

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unsane · Post by **unsane** » Fri Nov 23, 2007 1:02 am

Possibly some more food for the sadists, via shmup.com's Hall of Shame:

Gunship 0.19 (30 votes)
Legion 0.29 (8 votes)
Deep Blue 0.35 (22 votes)
The Hunt for Red October 0.43 (41 votes)
Gadget Twins 0.71 (12 votes)
D-Force / Dimension Force 1.00 (6 votes)
S. S. Mission 1.03 (12 votes)
Acrobat Mission 1.04 (22 votes)
1945 I&II The Arcade Games 1.21 (18 votes)
Galax 1.32 (7 votes)
Rock On 1.33 (4 votes)
R-Shark 1.47 (18 votes)
Game Paradise 2 1.67 (15 votes)
Gunner's Broom 1.77 (8 votes)
Sagaia 1.81 (9 votes)

I removed the non-shmups i know about, probly missed a couple.

doctorx0079 · Post by **doctorx0079** » Fri Nov 23, 2007 1:23 am

unsane wrote:Possibly some more food for the sadists, via shmup.com's Hall of Shame:

Gunship 0.19 (30 votes)
Legion 0.29 (8 votes)
Deep Blue 0.35 (22 votes)
The Hunt for Red October 0.43 (41 votes)
Gadget Twins 0.71 (12 votes)
D-Force / Dimension Force 1.00 (6 votes)
S. S. Mission 1.03 (12 votes)
Acrobat Mission 1.04 (22 votes)
1945 I&II The Arcade Games 1.21 (18 votes)
Galax 1.32 (7 votes)
Rock On 1.33 (4 votes)
R-Shark 1.47 (18 votes)
Game Paradise 2 1.67 (15 votes)
Gunner's Broom 1.77 (8 votes)
Sagaia 1.81 (9 votes)

I removed the non-shmups i know about, probly missed a couple.

Nowhere near the bottom of the barrel. R-Shark and Sagaia in particular are decent playable games. The worst games are stick-figure, pointless, ancient garbage games. Low-low res, like 160x100, maybe monochrome, with pathetic beeps for sound. No precious backgrounds either, just plain black or worse, white or blue or some other color. Games where you shoot some stuff, and that's the whole game. Surely you've played one or two.

I'm talking CoCo Slipheed bad.

I hate to say it, but, kids just don't know how good they've got it these days . .

If you haven't played a game in less than 320x240, you don't know what bad graphics are. It's amazing that a few of those ancient games are still fun to play.

evil_ash_xero · Post by **evil_ash_xero** » Fri Nov 23, 2007 11:19 pm

CIT wrote:WTF, none of the shooters mentioned in this thread so far are bad.

Check out these piles of shit then you can come back and contribute constructively:

- Legion, PCE
- Deep Blue, PCE
- Honey In The Sky, PCE
- Divine Sealing, MD
- Planet Joker, SAT

I've heard much about Planet Joker, but have never played it. Divine Sealing however...ah, what a masterpiece. Well, maybe not. At least you get those nice cutscenes.

s/m

Dragon1952 · Post by **Dragon1952** » Sat Nov 24, 2007 12:50 am

You guys are way off base and totally dissing too many good games due to biased points of view!

The WORST shooter ever, and worse even than many Nichibutsu classics like Legion and SFX.... is:

TURTLESHIP by Philko [coin-op] A game that never should have been born...!

Believe, all of those other mentions are elegant by comparison!

Post by **Dave_K.** » Sat Nov 24, 2007 1:11 am

Shooter Space Shot (PSX)

doctorx0079 · Post by **doctorx0079** » Sat Nov 24, 2007 4:54 pm

Dragon1952 wrote:You guys are way off base and totally dissing too many good games due to biased points of view!

The WORST shooter ever, and worse even than many Nichibutsu classics like Legion and SFX.... is:

TURTLESHIP by Philko [coin-op] A game that never should have been born...!

Believe, all of those other mentions are elegant by comparison!

Decent graphics + R-Type clone = not that bad. Read my last post and try again Grasshopper.

Dave_K. wrote:Shooter Space Shot (PSX)

Getting there, keep trying.

DEL · Post by **DEL** » Sat Nov 24, 2007 8:06 pm

In terms of getting the least value for your SNES dollar$, its still D-Force / Dimension Force .

doctorx0079 · Post by **doctorx0079** » Sun Nov 25, 2007 1:13 am

DEL wrote:In terms of getting the least value for your SNES dollar$, its still D-Force / Dimension Force .

Sorry, when D-Force was mentioned before I was thinking R-Shark. Duh.

Does Vortex count as a shooter? At any rate it was a huge waste of space. I want to get back the time I wasted playing that POS. There are things the SuperFX chip can do and things it cannot do. Vortex is a perfect example of what the SuperFX cannot do. They took stuff from StarFox and tried to do Virtual On with it, but the technology wasn't there yet. You ended up with a barren monochrome world with nothing to shoot or do, mostly flat ground and horizon. Bah.

Asherdude · Post by **Asherdude** » Sun Nov 25, 2007 2:01 am

The worse SHMUP that I've played recently would be Chaos Field. I just can't get into it.

But my all time worse SHMUP would be the 32x's Kolibri. It played a lot like a revamped Defender, with a humming bird instead of a ship. Overall, the game is a totally stinker. And it stands as a good argument against reviving obscure protoshmup ideas.

Skykid · Post by **Skykid** » Tue Nov 27, 2007 11:08 pm

For the record I'm going with anyone who stuck Ghost Pilots up there: awesome logo, pile of shit game.
So far I've seen no defence for it either - could it be we're unanimous as a shmup collective on this one?

I hope so.

ROBOTRON · Post by **ROBOTRON** » Tue Nov 27, 2007 11:15 pm

What about Cybercore for TG16?

I actually liked it...but I hate the fact your power ups makes your ship grow to 1/4 of the screen making you so vulnerable to hits. Good music and visuals for the time though.

Sonic R · Post by **Sonic R** » Wed Nov 28, 2007 12:29 am

ROBOTRON wrote:What about Cybercore for TG16?

I actually liked it...but I hate the fact your power ups makes your ship grow to 1/4 of the screen making you so vulnerable to hits. Good music and visuals for the time though.

Cyber-Core is a decent game. I like it myself

It is play pretty much in style and presentation to Dragon Spirit -- that is the feeling I am get -- It is like Dragon Spirit with insects. The game is not too difficult but I enjoy playing it and the music is pleasant.

A Turbo Grafx game that I find unsatisfactory would be Sinistron.
It play real slow and just feel bland. It is not worst game but just uninspiring.

Pirate1019 · Post by **Pirate1019** » Thu Nov 29, 2007 1:45 am

There was this homebrew for the xbox that I played once. I 1CC'ed it with over 50 extra lives. I played another credit to see how far I could get without pressing anything except the fire button. I made it to the second half of stage 4 (of 5).

Barklund · Post by **Barklund** » Thu Nov 29, 2007 7:22 am

Divine Sealing for Mega Drive is a quite sucky game. The graphics is bad and the gameplay is even worse, you'll get il if you play this.

320x240 · Post by **320x240** » Tue Dec 25, 2007 5:42 pm

Worst shooter I have ever played? The German made ones...

Specineff · Post by **Specineff** » Tue Dec 25, 2007 9:00 pm

EDIT: BlazeOn has been mentioned in this thread. Boy, do I regret the thirty pesos I spent renting it...

elfhentaifan · Post by **elfhentaifan** » Tue Dec 25, 2007 9:12 pm

320x240 wrote:Worst shooter I have ever played? The German made ones...

how comes?

Limbrooke · Post by **Limbrooke** » Tue Dec 25, 2007 9:38 pm

Twin Eagle 2 is tremendous shit. 1945k III is another foul ass game as is Gulf War 2. Oh, then there's the very dull Air Duel.

Nuke · Post by **Nuke** » Tue Dec 25, 2007 9:41 pm

elfhentaifan wrote:
320x240 wrote:Worst shooter I have ever played? The German made ones...
how comes?

320x240 · Post by **320x240** » Tue Dec 25, 2007 10:15 pm

elfhentaifan wrote:how comes?

That's a good question. Why shouldn't Germans make good shmups? I really dont't know. Maybe it's just a question of a difference in mentality? Speaking broadly, German made shmups epitomize what I don't like in a shmup, like underpowered weapons, a giant hitbox, few enemy bullets, enemies that ram you from behind, enemies that point-blank you, bullets that are hardly visible, enemies that just drift in from the side and simply shoot forward etc. It's like they have taken what was limiting the 8-bit shmups and enlarged it. Taken as a whole this just ruins a game for me, even though most shmups will contain one or the other of these "design flaws".

The thing is, I really want to like the typical Euro-shmup and find them facinating, but ultimately I just can't be bothered to play them - I just can't get into them. I did kind of like a cover-disk demo of Disposable Hero I played back in the day (That game was Dutch wasn't it?) I'm considering buying Söldner-X just to check if there have been any development to my liking.

I guess too, that I'm biased by having played a lot of homemade German shmups lately that have been really bad. No doubt German made shmups get a bad rap because there have probably been more shmups made there than in any other European country save the UK (and I used to hate IO, Armalyte, Uridium, Project-X, not to mention Finnish made ones like Delta and Sanxion.) A lot of those German made shmups have grown out of the demo-scene I guess, and then the focus is on other things than gameplay.

All in all, when I see a shmup is German made I expect stiff, undeveloped design, uninspired enemy and bullet patterns and a game that is basically low on dynamics. Of course, I'm ready to have my stereotypes challenged!

320x240 · Post by **320x240** » Tue Dec 25, 2007 10:17 pm

Limbrooke wrote:Oh, then there's the very dull Air Duel.

But the graphics are really chunky.

elfhentaifan · Post by **elfhentaifan** » Tue Dec 25, 2007 10:50 pm

Nuke wrote:
elfhentaifan wrote:
320x240 wrote:Worst shooter I have ever played? The German made ones...
how comes?

good point

320x240 wrote:
elfhentaifan wrote:how comes?
That's a good question. Why shouldn't Germans make good shmups? I really dont't know. Maybe it's just a question of a difference in mentality? Speaking broadly, German made shmups epitomize what I don't like in a shmup, like underpowered weapons, a giant hitbox, few enemy bullets, enemies that ram you from behind, enemies that point-blank you, bullets that are hardly visible, enemies that just drift in from the side and simply shoot forward etc. It's like they have taken what was limiting the 8-bit shmups and enlarged it. Taken as a whole this just ruins a game for me, even though most shmups will contain one or the other of these "design flaws".

The thing is, I really want to like the typical Euro-shmup and find them facinating, but ultimately I just can't be bothered to play them - I just can't get into them. I did kind of like a cover-disk demo of Disposable Hero I played back in the day (That game was Dutch wasn't it?) I'm considering buying Söldner-X just to check if there have been any development to my liking.

I guess too, that I'm biased by having played a lot of homemade German shmups lately that have been really bad. No doubt German made shmups get a bad rap because there have probably been more shmups made there than in any other European country save the UK (and I used to hate IO, Armalyte, Uridium, Project-X, not to mention Finnish made ones like Delta and Sanxion.) A lot of those German made shmups have grown out of the demo-scene I guess, and then the focus is on other things than gameplay.

All in all, when I see a shmup is German made I expect stiff, undeveloped design, uninspired enemy and bullet patterns and a game that is basically low on dynamics. Of course, I'm ready to have my stereotypes challenged!

does Fren-ze say you something?

320x240 · Post by **320x240** » Tue Dec 25, 2007 11:07 pm

elfhentaifan wrote:
Nuke wrote:

good point

The war doesn't come into it. Hell, I'm even basing my masters thesis on the works of Goethe.

elfhentaifan wrote:does Fren-ze say you something?

I have watched the video and while it's no euro-shmup I find those kind of shmups, like Zuns, to be very boring. The bullet patterns look dynamic enough, but what about the players ship? Left, right, left, right isn't my idea of dynamics. Just because modern hardware let's you display more bullets than before doesn't mean you have to do it. I am willing to bet my life on the claim that this game is being made by ex demo-sceners. Of course I may be wrong.

elfhentaifan · Post by **elfhentaifan** » Wed Dec 26, 2007 11:33 am

you seem pretty choosy in that stuff, and i think i got your argument now.
Dont worrry, i did not ask that question for the sake of war or that corner...

I just havnt heard much about german shmups, or euro shmups generally, so i presumed you could tell me some more

Ceph · Post by **Ceph** » Wed Dec 26, 2007 2:00 pm

320x240 wrote:Worst shooter I have ever played? The German made ones...

"God help me keep my ignorance."

Apidya. Z-Out. Katakis.

Now go to your room.

elfhentaifan · Post by **elfhentaifan** » Wed Dec 26, 2007 2:26 pm

Ceph wrote: Katakis.

It's Takatis, and yes, it is bad.

Post by **Ghegs** » Wed Dec 26, 2007 2:30 pm

elfhentaifan wrote:
Ceph wrote: Katakis.

It's Takatis, and yes, it is bad.

Katakis

Takatis

Ceph · Post by **Ceph** » Wed Dec 26, 2007 2:48 pm

Thank you, Ghegs.

elfhentaifan wrote:
Ceph wrote: Katakis.

It's Takatis, and yes, it is bad.

You know, sometimes it's advisable to say nothing if you don't know what you are talking about.

elfhentaifan · Post by **elfhentaifan** » Wed Dec 26, 2007 3:12 pm

wow, very much thanks for that advice.
never thought of it before

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