Trigger Heart Exelica for Naomi/Dreamcast

GaijinPunch · Post by **GaijinPunch** » Sun Mar 04, 2007 12:57 am

Japanese dude has posted some tutorial vids.
Stage 4 Boxes
Another Stage 4 vid
Arrange

louisg · Post by **louisg** » Sun Mar 04, 2007 7:03 pm

Is it just me, or are there some simple special effects (scaling blur upon boss explosion, room dimming when lasers fire) in the arcade version that aren't in the DC edition? Check out the super play on super-play.co.uk ... what's up with that?

SkylineR32 · Post by **SkylineR32** » Sun Mar 04, 2007 7:51 pm

GaijinPunch wrote:Fucking bullshit. Last boss, I'm on my last remain. I kill it, it starts to explode, I get hit by a fucking bullet. Game over. So lame.

I've had it happen in other shooters. In fact, in many shooters it's still quite possible to grab power-ups/bombs/gold/etc after a boss has died.

Trigger Heart Exelica is wicked, I love it.

As for the DVD case, I love my DC DVD cased games. This, Under Defeat and Cosmic Smash. I never knew there were people so anal that they'd skip a game because of the packaging.

Post by **BulletMagnet** » Sun Mar 04, 2007 9:37 pm

GaijinPunch wrote:Japanese dude has posted some tutorial vids.

On that page there was a video of (I think) Arrange mode wherein there was a huge amount of gold onscreen, and it looked like the game slowed down to a crawl...was that slowdown added for the video, or does the actual game chug that much when so many objects are around?

Tigershark · Post by **Tigershark** » Sun Mar 04, 2007 10:30 pm

It does slow down in parts but I think that's part of the game design. Sometimes there's so many bullets coming your way that the slow down is necessary to survive. Also, some of the enemies' bullets kind of start off fast then slow down and then speed up again!

I have to say I'm loving this game very much. My score is pants though. Fourth level so far on one credit but only 22m

Tigershark · Post by **Tigershark** » Sun Mar 04, 2007 10:37 pm

zakk wrote:Trigger the Faintear battle

How do you do that? I've only come accross this in story mode. Also, what is the difference between Arcade and Arrange save that there's no continues in Arrange (which I never use anyway).

brumma · Post by **brumma** » Sun Mar 04, 2007 10:37 pm

louisg wrote:Is it just me, or are there some simple special effects (scaling blur upon boss explosion, room dimming when lasers fire) in the arcade version that aren't in the DC edition? Check out the super play on super-play.co.uk ... what's up with that?

Are you referring to the Area 4 boss fight? Can anyone confirm this? I have the game on the way for the DC (so I haven't tried it yet) and am curious...

Post by **BulletMagnet** » Sun Mar 04, 2007 10:43 pm

Tigershark wrote:It does slow down in parts but I think that's part of the game design. Sometimes there's so many bullets coming your way that the slow down is necessary to survive.

That sort of slowdown I wouldn't have even bothered to mention, but in the movie I mentioned the thing is a step or two short of a standstill. Follow the third link in GP's post at the top of this page, the movie is near the bottom of that page.

Tigershark · Post by **Tigershark** » Sun Mar 04, 2007 10:52 pm

If you mean "arrange slow" then I've just downloaded it. Looks like a glitch to me but I have to say it hasn't happened to me (yet).

GaijinPunch · Post by **GaijinPunch** » Sun Mar 04, 2007 11:08 pm

It wasn't the video... it was the game. He took the video to illustrate it. It gets to like 1 frame a second.

louisg · Post by **louisg** » Sun Mar 04, 2007 11:41 pm

brumma wrote: Are you referring to the Area 4 boss fight? Can anyone confirm this? I have the game on the way for the DC (so I haven't tried it yet) and am curious...

Check out st2, I think it has both effects on it. Odd.

Rob · Post by **Rob** » Sun Mar 04, 2007 11:51 pm

nZero wrote:I've been waiting for an HS thread, too.

You guys are lazy.

zakk · Post by **zakk** » Mon Mar 05, 2007 12:11 am

Tigershark wrote:
zakk wrote:Trigger the Faintear battle
How do you do that? I've only come accross this in story mode. Also, what is the difference between Arcade and Arrange save that there's no continues in Arrange (which I never use anyway).

Requires a certain number of items be collected by the end of the first boss. I'm not sure what the number is.

Dunno about arrange, didn't play it.

MadSteelDarkness · Post by **MadSteelDarkness** » Mon Mar 05, 2007 12:27 am

I've nothing to add to this discussion except to say that I really, really, really like this game.

Carry on!

GaijinPunch · Post by **GaijinPunch** » Mon Mar 05, 2007 12:44 am

Rob wrote:
nZero wrote:I've been waiting for an HS thread, too.
You guys are lazy.

Maybe we don't want to keep up w/ updating it.

brumma · Post by **brumma** » Mon Mar 05, 2007 1:51 am

louisg wrote:
brumma wrote: Are you referring to the Area 4 boss fight? Can anyone confirm this? I have the game on the way for the DC (so I haven't tried it yet) and am curious...
Check out st2, I think it has both effects on it. Odd.

Do you mean stage 2 of the DC version has both effects?

Arvandor · Post by **Arvandor** » Mon Mar 05, 2007 2:14 am

Bah, I don't have the game yet, but I'm going to go check the high scores thread, and if there isn't a thread already, I'LL make one. It won't be too troublesome for me to update it at work a couple times a week or whatever.

professor ganson · Post by **professor ganson** » Mon Mar 05, 2007 2:23 am

So should I order this one? I don't think I'll get Last Hope, but I'm seriously considering picking this one up in the next few months.

Dann · Post by **Dann** » Mon Mar 05, 2007 2:24 am

i dont think you can really compare this and last hope. this is a must-buy

gunbird18 · Post by **gunbird18** » Mon Mar 05, 2007 4:21 am

Dann wrote:i dont think you can really compare this and last hope. this is a must-buy

I will second that, Professor! I played Trigger for about 2 hours on the day I received it in the mail. I haven't played Last Hope since the day I received it in the mail.

I didn't know if I would like it after reading most of the first arcade impressions from the shmups members over in Japan. But I am really getting into this game now. It is sooooo much better than the Shienryu sequel IMHO.

professor ganson · Post by **professor ganson** » Mon Mar 05, 2007 4:42 am

That's great to hear because I actually didn't mind Shienryu Explosion. I'll put this down as my next game to get, I think.

Daigoro · Post by **Daigoro** » Mon Mar 05, 2007 1:32 pm

Dann wrote:i dont think you can really compare this and last hope. this is a must-buy

whoa. thats the strongest anyone has put it so far.

looks like impressions have been pretty positive in general here though. i think im going to pick it up as well.

louisg · Post by **louisg** » Mon Mar 05, 2007 3:15 pm

brumma wrote: Do you mean stage 2 of the DC version has both effects?

Nope, the superplay on super-play.co.uk

brumma · Post by **brumma** » Mon Mar 05, 2007 4:33 pm

louisg wrote:
brumma wrote: Do you mean stage 2 of the DC version has both effects?
Nope, the superplay on super-play.co.uk

Yeah, I saw those. Both effects are in the stage 4 boss fight as well. So you're saying that they're missing from the DC version, eh? That's disappointing--they look cool.

Kiken · Post by **Kiken** » Mon Mar 05, 2007 5:39 pm

GaijinPunch wrote:It wasn't the video... it was the game. He took the video to illustrate it. It gets to like 1 frame a second.

You can't even call it slowdown.. it's flat out frame-dropping.

Acid King · Post by **Acid King** » Mon Mar 05, 2007 6:10 pm

GaijinPunch wrote:
Rob wrote:
nZero wrote:I've been waiting for an HS thread, too.
You guys are lazy.
Maybe we don't want to keep up w/ updating it.

You don't have to. God knows how many HS threads need updating.

chtimi-CLA · Post by **chtimi-CLA** » Mon Mar 05, 2007 8:27 pm

So is it worth to get on DC? I'm still going to buy it anyway, but i'm curious what people who like low-profile naomi shooters think (i'm also interested in the opinions of the cave bitches and high-brow score-system elitists segments) to motivate me to actually order it.

Strider77 · Post by **Strider77** » Mon Mar 05, 2007 8:43 pm

I haven't been motivated to buy it yet......

Rob · Post by **Rob** » Mon Mar 05, 2007 8:46 pm

My impression is that I would've enjoyed the scoring system more if this was released 3 years ago. Note how multiple people are playing for score, but no one cares enough to put a thread up (edit: I see Arvandor just made one). I'd place it about par with Psyvariar 2, Radirgy and other third tier scoring games.

Overall it's a fine game, much more substance than Shienryu Explosion, takes a little too much from Cave for my liking (the bullet patterns all seem like Cave hand-me-downs, nothing interesting there). The gimmick is a little more inspired than the average game/sequel being released, but could've used more work. Having to hold down multiple buttons is always annoying, auto-spin is only a partial fix. It's fairly fun to just plow through the stages throwing crap around, too.

Tigershark · Post by **Tigershark** » Mon Mar 05, 2007 11:29 pm

zakk wrote:Then you destroy all boss forms at strategic times to maximize item gathering.

Can you explain that? What do you mean "strategic times"?

I'm no where near getting huge scores because I can't seem to trigger the last boss battle.

Also, do you get higher scores if you don't choose the auto rotate?