Cave shmups coming to X360 confirmed!

markedkiller78 · Post by **markedkiller78** » Thu Mar 06, 2008 2:09 pm

You've got to love the internet, Nintendo has a bigger dick than Sony so fuck you! Microsfot is ghey, etc.....

if you don't want to play the games, then dont. Does anyone give a shit about the people that dont / wont buy the games? Is there any point in you wasting your time expressing your opinions? Is there any point in picking out every potential negative when something like this gets announced?

I'd say No.

More Shmup ports > More people playing shmups > More shmups get made.

At least I hope it works like this.

SuperPang · Post by **SuperPang** » Thu Mar 06, 2008 2:16 pm

I think any port is a good thing. If the unthinkable happens and they are good ports that get a Pal release I'll be buying copies as educational presents FFS.

What I do resent is people telling me my PCB has devalued, when it probably isn't, and completely missing the point of playing the real thing.

I mean look how Third Strike prices plumeted after it got three decent ports.... no.. wait

charlie chong · Post by **charlie chong** » Thu Mar 06, 2008 2:22 pm

i want iso of ps2 first 4 levels plaese!
i doubt most of us could get past the 4th level boss by the time the ecks bocks one is out anyways

cody · Post by **cody** » Thu Mar 06, 2008 3:09 pm

Strider77 wrote: I have encountered FAR more PS2 issues than red rings..... and their are alot of red rings in the world to boot.

Never mind that there are an order of magnitude more PS2s than xbox360s . . . there could be more failed PS2s than there are working xbox360s, and the PS2 would still be a more reliable console.

SuperPang wrote:I mean look how Third Strike prices plumeted after it got three decent ports.

The 3s ports didn't provide accurate gameplay. Third strike prices did plumment once the game was emulated. I'd expect similar devaluation in the pcb prices if the 360 ports are as good as the arika ports (which is essentially impossible, but theres a slim chance the games will at least play correctly, even if they look ugly).

OdiousTrident · Post by **OdiousTrident** » Thu Mar 06, 2008 3:32 pm

Can you flash an Xbox 360 system to play games from another region code? Are there any options?

bay · Post by **bay** » Thu Mar 06, 2008 3:50 pm

OdiousTrident wrote:Can you flash an Xbox 360 system to play games from another region code? Are there any options?

apparently a modchip, which voids your warantee (as discussed earlier in the thread)

so can we get back to discussion on the actual games rather than a fanboy fest?

i (like alec) think that ports of this game is a good thing. i support them on any console as they will let cave shooters have more exposure (and thus a larger audience.)

MX7 · Post by **MX7** » Thu Mar 06, 2008 4:00 pm

Now I think of it, it's not actually THAT exciting, is it? I mean it'll be fun to have a home port of Ketsui, but it's like 6 years old now. I really want to see something new, like Deathsmiles, if it's going to involve me getting a swanky new next gen console.

OdiousTrident · Post by **OdiousTrident** » Thu Mar 06, 2008 4:00 pm

This is awful I'm seeing that firmware isn't actually capable of breaking the region lock on 360 games. I wonder if it is even possible down the road.

antron · Post by **antron** » Thu Mar 06, 2008 4:03 pm

bay wrote:
OdiousTrident wrote:Can you flash an Xbox 360 system to play games from another region code? Are there any options?
apparently a modchip, which voids your warantee (as discussed earlier in the thread)

so can we get back to discussion on the actual games rather than a fanboy fest?

i (like alec) think that ports of this game is a good thing. i support them on any console as they will let cave shooters have more exposure (and thus a larger audience.)

Unless something has changed, I think 360 modchips/flashes are just for the DVD firmware, so it reports that real medium is inserted. The actual data on the disc (like region code) cannot be altered without failing the hash/public/private key crapola.

There have been demos of non signed code running, but I don't think it has hit the consumer level yet. Am I wrong anyone?

edit: you may be able to change the region of your 360. but that would be like buying a japanese unit.

Udderdude · Post by **Udderdude** » Thu Mar 06, 2008 4:22 pm

Your mission starts now. Are you RRODy?

{/troll}

kengou · Post by **kengou** » Thu Mar 06, 2008 4:25 pm

elvis wrote:I am by and large the biggest anti-Microsoft person I know (this post brought to you via my Ubuntu-driven laptop).

I *will* buy an XBox 360 if these games get released in my region (AU PAL). End of story. My love for Cave (and lack of income to buy genuine Cave PCBs) completely and utterly outweighs my hate for Microsoft.

This post is brought to you from a Fedora-driven laptop (I do love ubuntu, just giving Fedora a try) and a fellow microsoft-hater. And I *will not* buy a 360 even though Ketsui is being released on it. It pisses me off to no end that it's coming to the 360 because I refuse to buy one, but even though it's Ketsui I hate Microsoft too much to give in and pay them money.

I still don't get why they're releasing on the 360. To make a few broad generalizations, American gamers don't want hardcore shmups like Ketsui or DOJ, and Japanese gamers don't own 360s.

Frederik · Post by **Frederik** » Thu Mar 06, 2008 4:38 pm

MX7 wrote:Now I think of it, it's not actually THAT exciting, is it? I mean it'll be fun to have a home port of Ketsui, but it's like 6 years old now. I really want to see something new, like Deathsmiles, if it's going to involve me getting a swanky new next gen console.

Yeah, but that would just be a new game that most people haven´t played before compared to an older game that most people haven´t played before. And I think we all now age has nothing to do with it

Post by **undamned** » Thu Mar 06, 2008 4:51 pm

I imagine the choice of the 360 vs Wii or PS3 is probably from a coding standpoint. Is coding for the 360 pretty similar to standard x86 stuff?
-ud

szycag · Post by **szycag** » Thu Mar 06, 2008 4:57 pm

Udderdude wrote:Your mission starts now. Are you RRODy?

{/troll}

teehee!

PepsimanVsJoe · Post by **PepsimanVsJoe** » Thu Mar 06, 2008 5:00 pm

This is one entertaining thread.

Since XBLA is obviously out of the question(Why would they do a retail release for $60-70 in Japan and a western XBLA release for $10? Makes absolutely no sense) I'm thinking maybe a bundle at a somewhat respectable price(because to be quite honest Ubisoft was smoking paint chips when they put Senkou at $60).

I mean hell I'll gladly pay $60 a pop for each of these games, but I can imagine 90% of the world wouldn't. Getting both games at say...$40 or even $50 would be at least slightly more ideal. It would also possibly be a good idea to attempt to nail down some older Cave releases to put on XBLA to drum up interest then go from there.

SuperGrafx · Post by **SuperGrafx** » Thu Mar 06, 2008 5:02 pm

Regardless of what the naysayers say, I think this is fantastic news.

If there was ever a way for MS to make its presence known in Japan (and with hardcore gamers) it's for pushing to get games like this released on the platform.

Twiddle · Post by **Twiddle** » Thu Mar 06, 2008 5:11 pm

undamned wrote:I imagine the choice of the 360 vs Wii or PS3 is probably from a coding standpoint. Is coding for the 360 pretty similar to standard x86 stuff?
-ud

Not really, but until recently it was far easier to code for than the PS3.

pixelcorps · Post by **pixelcorps** » Thu Mar 06, 2008 5:39 pm

PepsimanVsJoe wrote:This is one entertaining thread.

Since XBLA is obviously out of the question(Why would they do a retail release for $60-70 in Japan and a western XBLA release for $10?.

They wouldn't, I'm glad you pointed that out, it's piss easy to get a japanese gamertag and vice versa.

OdiousTrident · Post by **OdiousTrident** » Thu Mar 06, 2008 6:39 pm

Anyone know a solid email address for the company doing the ports, 5pb? I can't navigate the website so well.

Necronom · Post by **Necronom** » Thu Mar 06, 2008 7:39 pm

"Since XBLA is obviously out of the question(Why would they do a retail release for $60-70 in Japan and a western XBLA release for $10? Makes absolutely no sense)"

Funny how people keep repeating this although neither the famitsu article nor any other article mentioned whether it'll be XBLA or not. Do you guys think that your wishful thinking turns into fact if you keep repeat it?
The truth is probably that nothing has been decided yet. So yeah, go ahead flash your firmware or buy a JP 360. I would love to see the expression on your face when it turns out to be a global XBLA release

jp · Post by jp » Thu Mar 06, 2008 7:41 pm

Necronom wrote:"Since XBLA is obviously out of the question(Why would they do a retail release for $60-70 in Japan and a western XBLA release for $10? Makes absolutely no sense)"

Funny how people keep repeating this although neither the famitsu article nor any other article mentioned whether it'll be XBLA or not. Do you guys think that your wishful thinking turns into fact if you keep repeat it?
The truth is probably that nothing has been decided yet. So yeah, go ahead flash your firmware or buy a JP 360. I would love to see the expression on your face when it turns out to be a global XBLA release

I'm snaggin' a Japanese 360 for that Raiden Aces collection. Ketsui will just be icing on the cake.

Also:
New Treasure shmup.

EOJ · Post by **EOJ** » Thu Mar 06, 2008 8:00 pm

Necronom wrote: Funny how people keep repeating this although neither the famitsu article nor any other article mentioned whether it'll be XBLA or not. Do you guys think that your wishful thinking turns into fact if you keep repeat it?
The truth is probably that nothing has been decided yet. So yeah, go ahead flash your firmware or buy a JP 360. I would love to see the expression on your face when it turns out to be a global XBLA release

It's listed as "Xbox 360" in the article and not "XBLA", and Souta House only lists retail games, not XBLA downloads (they are a retailer blog, after all).

Plus Triggerheart, for example, was clearly mentioned as being an XBLA game in its Famitsu preview.

So it's pretty clear really.

EDIT: Just noticed Souta House did list Triggerheart, so the part about them not listing XBLA downloads is untrue, and thus there is indeed less certainty over whether this is a full disc release.

jpj · Post by **jpj** » Thu Mar 06, 2008 8:11 pm

Thunder Force wrote:Is asking for these releases to be region-free futile? As the platform holder, has there been some nda'd Microsoft Japan policy fine print we're not aware of, regarding mandatory (or strongly recommended) region coding of domestically targeted NTSC-J titles which have no verified international publisher?

jp wrote:one line of code that makes a game region locked. So if they don't think its going to get a Western release, it would most certainly be in their best interest to leave the game region free
That makes perfect rational sense. However, to date no JP-exclusive Xbox 360 titles have been released region-free. Given that different publishers are involved with those releases, and given the quoted rationale for making some extra income by simply changing a bit of data on the disc... you have to wonder if the region coding is not just down to arbitrary "JP-only" sentiment among japanese publishers.

most intelligent post in the thread.

the award for least intelligent is still a six-way tie

Post by **undamned** » Thu Mar 06, 2008 8:12 pm

Necronom wrote:Funny how people keep repeating this although neither the famitsu article nor any other article mentioned whether it'll be XBLA or not. Do you guys think that your wishful thinking turns into fact if you keep repeat it?
The truth is probably that nothing has been decided yet. So yeah, go ahead flash your firmware or buy a JP 360. I would love to see the expression on your face when it turns out to be a global XBLA release

You are more awesome than all of us put together.
-ud

professor ganson · Post by **professor ganson** » Thu Mar 06, 2008 8:17 pm

EOJ's argument looks pretty sound, and that Devil May Cry Japanese 360 looks really cool. Now I just need about $500 (since Shiki 3 will be really nice to have as well).

EOJ · Post by **EOJ** » Thu Mar 06, 2008 8:19 pm

@prof ganson: do note my edit in my last post, which weakens my previous argument.

bcass · Post by **bcass** » Thu Mar 06, 2008 8:51 pm

undamned wrote:I imagine the choice of the 360 vs Wii or PS3 is probably from a coding standpoint.

Or Sony don't want 2D games on their 3D system?

Strider77 · Post by **Strider77** » Thu Mar 06, 2008 9:00 pm

Never mind that there are an order of magnitude more PS2s than xbox360s . . . there could be more failed PS2s than there are working xbox360s, and the PS2 would still be a more reliable console.

your number crunching is little off the top of the head right..... even taking that as a point...... what's your point? all these deffective drives were happening at launch for PS1 and 2. Then continued through a healthy part of the fat 2s life.

lol.... well don't forget the PS1 in the batch, plus the fact sony did NOTHING. I can point out the flaws in the CD drive on both 1s and 2s. they sure enough revised those flaws in later versions. but those that were stuck with shit drives.... got NOTHING.

see... what did I say. sony fanboys are the worst kind. they get fucked in the ass with no lube and still want another round.

Go play your PS3 and be happy..... the rest of us with both or just a 360 will watch out for more shooters on the 360.

pixelcorps · Post by **pixelcorps** » Thu Mar 06, 2008 9:02 pm

bcass wrote:
undamned wrote:I imagine the choice of the 360 vs Wii or PS3 is probably from a coding standpoint.
Or Sony don't want 2D games on their 3D system?

only for retail - PSN is 2D friendly, if the quality is good enough.

Limbrooke · Post by **Limbrooke** » Thu Mar 06, 2008 9:43 pm

SuperPang wrote:I think any port is a good thing. If the unthinkable happens and they are good ports that get a Pal release I'll be buying copies as educational presents FFS.

I couldn't agree more, except replace PAL with NTSC.

SuperPang wrote:What I do resent is people telling me my PCB has devalued, when it probably isn't, and completely missing the point of playing the real thing.

For the most part, it's a matter of opinion and people are entitled to their own take. I for one am on the side of it getting cheaper and go figure, I don't own the game, therefore my viewpoint (har har) will not be the same. You want your investment to retain while I wouldn't in a million years consider someone elses investment as a concern when trying to get a highly priced game. I want it to become cheaper and more accesible, coincidence?

I don't blame you for being annoyed at a possible loss, but shit happens. I too would be slightly disapointed. I think it is easy for people to assume that Ketsui will drop in value since nearly all of Cave games with ports are cheaper than those that don't (regardless of the reasons why they are cheaper and incidently have home ports, be them good or poor).

On another front, if games are good shouldn't they eventually become more accesible by means of price and or availibility? Unless in the rare case of circumstance it is a good game and just has no hope of being played by a wide audience, publishers/developers should be able to tell whether it's worth reprinting/porting a good game.

SuperPang wrote:I mean look how Third Strike prices plumeted after it got [one] decent port.... no.. wait

Fixed.
I thought the PS2 one was alright...