Blah Blah Blah, same things you've always been saying. If we're not TOTALLY OPEN MINDED by liking games everyone else likes, we're just trying to be hardcore and think we're better than everyone else.Turrican wrote:Here's a short summary of humankind's history:Neon wrote:Generally I'd agree, Super Metroid, Zelda, Chrono Trigger and all that are pretty boring. Much like the PCE, the shit everyone recommends for SNES sucks mostly.Dammit, you. All of those games listed are a top 100 games of all-time gamefaqs snore. I really tried playing Super Metroid last year and I just couldn't. Dud.
Big bang > Earth > begins life in the sea > homo sapiens > gamers play to SMW, SoM, Chrono Trigger etc > bored by these "yawn games" that they take for granted, true hardcore gamers go in search of the true, hidden gems that only they can discover and truly appreciate, because the rest of humanity is clearly inferior > thus, with the internet they spread the Verb: the best games ever are Little Ralph, Panzer Bandit, Biometal and that other one with the japanese title you never heard before. The other losers that thought Super Metroid was a cool game have been brainstormed by Nintendo.
The only one I agree on is RKA, which is miles and miles better than both its sequels. Hard Corps tried hard to be as cool as Spirits but, no way. It's also worth to mention that something like three years are between them. (the same could be said for AlttP and OoT, btw)Neon wrote:Bloodlines, Hard Corps and RKA are the best things they had going in those days. I can see the appeal of Castlevania 4, but Contra 3 is a dud. Sparkster is a dud. 1 Parodius is enough. Twinbee sucked/sucks. Etc.
I agree that Hard Corps rocks, but I don't agree with your comments on Contra 3. First off, the graphics in Contra 3 are not cartoony or pastel colored and fit the Contra theme well. Contra 3 doesn't have multiple characters, but it does have the ability to hold two weapons at once, a first for Contra at the time.Rob wrote: Contra 3 is simply Contra on the SNES. What one would expect, kind of a slower colorful take on Contra. Hard Corps has the multiple distinct characters, multiple switchable weapons, multiple paths/endings, faster action, more/bigger bosses. You know, more of everything basically. The one drawback would be the absence of stretches with soldiers and other smaller enemies/environment obstacles, but I think the originals handled that style well enough and Hard Corps was something different. Different is good.
Well, what can I say... I find it flattering that you somehow shown you read my previous posts on this subject ^_^. Yeah, that is basically what I've said so far.Neon wrote:Blah Blah Blah, same things you've always been saying. If we're not TOTALLY OPEN MINDED by liking games everyone else likes, we're just trying to be hardcore and think we're better than everyone else.
Well, now... My perspective isn't any different from the others at shmups, for the very true reason that I love the genre, and with anything that involves specialization, you get an acquired taste for some very weird / rather obscure games. I cannot stand sport games, most racing simulations, and generally fps. And I'd rather play Zanac Neo than those. So you see, despite what I've been saying so far, I'm really one of you. This is just like when I'm polemic towards collectors: I often hit the right nerve on them, because I know their weak spot, 'cause I'm one of them to an extent.Neon wrote:Your perspective is making you dismiss opinions opposite of yours to too great a degree. I'd say some of the criticisms leveled against the games you ardently defend are at least somewhat valid. Me, I can't stand Super Metroid or GTAIII for GAMEPLAY reasons. And for the same reasons I prefer Diet GoGo to say, Sonic games. To just assume everyone who doesn't like the games you do because they're not open minded is just plain insulting.
Certainly I do! It's of course a shame, but it can't be helped. It's easier for "us" to be able to appreciate Recca AND Halo, than will ever be for someone who never got the urge to buy an import game to like both GTA and, say, a never-translated cult like Policenauts. Or even worse, people who are so acquainted with their beloved genres that would be scared even by the idea to play something as bizarre as Katamari. So yeah, you are perfectly right.Neon wrote:You do realize the problem exists, probably to a much greater degree, at the other end of the spectrum? Mainstream folk who want nothing to do with 'weird' games and won't try to understand them or give them a fair chance.
Neon wrote:And the other quote is from Rob, btw. Not a huge Castlevania fan but RKA and Hard Corps are great fun.
No classic is perfect, no game is beyond criticism. So I have no problem if you say you don't like GTA or Metroid's gameplay (I'd like to take chance to say Rob is quite good at backing his gaming preferences with valid arguments). However, when you express criticism, try to develop a bit. Because just saying "oh, yeah, those Snes titles you mentioned are sooo GameFAQS-ish. Really boring" is not intelligent criticism, just fanboy rambling.Neon wrote:Me, I can't stand Super Metroid or GTAIII for GAMEPLAY reasons. And for the same reasons I prefer Diet GoGo to say, Sonic games. To just assume everyone who doesn't like the games you do because they're not open minded is just plain insulting.
Definitely. Certainly people genuinely enjoy them.I happen to think that there's a reason why gamers liked these titles, and no, that reason is not heavy advertising and masses enslaved by multinationals... Especially for the 16bit era, when the gamers were really a niche and quality had an huge impact on sales.
Also agreed.One that forgets who is Mario and diss it because it's not obscure deserves to be kicked in his/her ass. Wink
Thanks...I was still waking up when I wrote it, hence the irritability/ramblings ^_^. A lot of my favourites are niches within a niche (e.g. Shippu Mahou Daisakusen or Joe & Mac Returns) and I wouldn't want you getting the idea that guys like me play such obscure titles because of some punk-rock need to have 1337 tastes. I think they're genuinely excellent and if they weren't I'd play something else (even if, horror of horrors, my hardcore-ity takes a hit).Thanks for the constructive criticism however, Neon. Your reply was intelligent enough to reassure me I spend my net time on a great forum, with great guys.
The dank cave blob-fights just aren't very cool to me. Simon's Quest is my favorite game from my NES childhood, so it's not like they came out of nowhere with SOTN. I think the original Metroid has better atmosphere than Super Metroid also (especially the soundtrack, and some freakish colors which makes it less tedious to look at). I think atmosphere is very important in games which require practically camping out in areas and revisiting them half a dozen times. The "puzzles" otherwise are just finding the right weapons to break walls, and what's left is bosses. The bosses were cool!Oh, and Rob... I too liked SotN better than Super Metroid (although it's perfectly sane to feel otherwise)... But the Snes offered that kind of awesome free-roaming adventure right in 1993. You know, I'd like to see you in 1993: "Super Metroid? Who cares!! I'll just wait four years and will play the awesome SotN!" :P
I agree on all three issues: 1) Simon Quest ranks among my NES favs too! 2) Super Metroid is cool, but the original is cooler / scarier / sounds creepier 3) I'm a total sucker for atmosphere.Rob wrote:Simon's Quest is my favorite game from my NES childhood, so it's not like they came out of nowhere with SOTN. I think the original Metroid has better atmosphere than Super Metroid also (especially the soundtrack, and some freakish colors which makes it less tedious to look at). I think atmosphere is very important in games which require practically camping out in areas and revisiting them half a dozen times.
Yeah, better than arcade perfect translation. Tengen in general seems to have been awesome on the Genesis.Danny wrote:I envy Neon because of his Megadrive Snow Bros cart... hope that's avliable here in the UK!
Good man. Battle Squadron is pretty mediocre though, I'd recommend ebaying for Toaplan stuff instead.i currently own a very small megadrive collection, but that way i actually play the games rather than let them sit and collect dust.
