Oh yuck

[Tregard]

Seriously? People are questioning the brilliance of T2 in this thread?

Might be the end of me and this forum.

[Squire Grooktook]

Pillar to post with these pre/inter/non-quels, it seems. WTB Mischief Maker's Alien movie, that sounds fun and appropriately distanced. 3;

You remembered that post? I'm blushing!

I did too.

I'd love to see it. The Xenomorph is cool and all, but it's really just one part of H.R Gigers world. I'd like see more stories inspired by his nightmares, and your premise sounded like an excellent interpretation of them.

[Opus131]

Going full Gigers would turn the film into an x rated affair pretty fast lol

[Squire Grooktook]

Appropriate for the thread title

[Sinful]

Seriously? People are questioning the brilliance of T2 in this thread?

Might be the end of me and this forum.

T2 is actually my favourite movie. It never gets old. It was also the best movie 11 year old me could see back in the day. Both T1 and 2 left big impression on me as a kid.

T1 was like one of the first movies I seen when I came to Canada at age 9. My dad stormed in my room, switched the channels and said "Watch this." And left, lol. It was right after the intro credits, so I missed that opening crawl explaining things & showing the future. But this actually made first viewing way, way more epic. Since I had no clue what the heck was going on. Lightning strikes, and what the heck, I didn't even know anyone could be even close to so muscular. Great first intro to Arnold, alright. And a mystery all the way through. Then he gets up from getting shot? What is going on? And when the Terminator vision came up in that alley chase, my mind. Was. Blown.

[BIL]

T1 was like one of the first movies I seen when I came to Canada at age 9. My dad stormed in my room, switched the channels and said "Watch this."

Your dad sounds awesome.

[Opus131]

Seriously? People are questioning the brilliance of T2 in this thread?

Why not? The movie was actually the beginning of Cameron's decline (ironically, since it probably was his peak technically), which was around the time he:

1) Started thinking he was good at writing films, even though he isn't, which became patently obvious with The Abyss. People often point to his script for Rambo 2 as the obvious example of his shortcomings as a writer but i have a feeling he might have buggered that up on purpose.

2) Started liking money a bit too much.

Terminator 2 was great on a technical level, but the original outclasses it on almost every other category.

[Sinful]

Seriously? People are questioning the brilliance of T2 in this thread?

Why not? The movie was actually the beginning of Cameron's decline (ironically, since it probably was his peak technically), which was around the time he:

1) Started thinking he was good at writing films, even though he isn't, which became patently obvious with The Abyss. People often point to his script for Rambo 2 as the obvious example of his shortcomings as a writer but i have a feeling he might have buggered that up on purpose.

2) Started liking money a bit too much.

Terminator 2 was great on a technical level, but the original outclasses on almost every other category.

Really, his original Rambo 2 screen treatment has been made public? Because otherwise, I thought that script was heavily altered by Stallone. When Cameron seen it in theaters, he barely recognised it, but he did recognise the action pieces the crowd were cheering at. Or something like that is what I recall. Only other thing I recall was that in his treatment Rambo had a partner too.

[Opus131]

Rocky 2 was bad even by Stallone's standards, but i guess if he did rewrite the script it might explain why the film was so hilariously incoherent, which is not something that can be said about most his other films, whatever one may think of his writing in general.

[BryanM]

Terminator is about how the human Messiah tries to get his mom laid. He does this by producing a photograph to a mentally unstable grunt. The creepy underling ogles this photograph for decades and decades, his lust for Celebrity Mom only growing day by day. After going back in time, they bang after knowing each other for less than 2 hours.

From an objective standpoint, it is a movie about a kind, helpful robot who tries to stop them from making a huge mistake. It is a tragedy that it fails.

It is interesting how easy it is to sweep these kinds of facts under the rug. Show a planet exploding, shoulder shrug no biggie. Show the children and people on that planet getting baked into fried chicken, there's suddenly an emotional impact. We're really simple animals that can't feel an attachment to anything even a little abstract.

[MintyTheCat]

T1 was like one of the first movies I seen when I came to Canada at age 9. My dad stormed in my room, switched the channels and said "Watch this."

Your dad sounds awesome.

He wanted you to have a proper education

[Sinful]

Terminator is about how the human Messiah tries to get his mom laid. He does this by producing a photograph to a mentally unstable grunt. The creepy underling ogles this photograph for decades and decades, his lust for Celebrity Mom only growing day by day. After going back in time, they bang after knowing each other for less than 2 hours.

From an objective standpoint, it is a movie about a kind, helpful robot who tries to stop them from making a huge mistake. It is a tragedy that it fails.

It is interesting how easy it is to sweep these kinds of facts under the rug. Show a planet exploding, shoulder shrug no biggie. Show the children and people on that planet getting baked into fried chicken, there's suddenly an emotional impact. We're really simple animals that can't feel an attachment to anything even a little abstract.

[atheistgod1999]

T1 was like one of the first movies I seen when I came to Canada at age 9. My dad stormed in my room, switched the channels and said "Watch this."

Your dad sounds awesome.

Back in early 2013, my dad forced me to watch Ghostbusters with him, and I loved it despite being biased against movies he made me watch. Thanks to him, I got to view Ghostbusters untainted by even the thought of the feminist knockoff, or even Harold Ramis's death. I should thank him for that.

[Sly Cherry Chunks]

It is interesting how easy it is to sweep these kinds of facts under the rug. Show a planet exploding, shoulder shrug no biggie. Show the children and people on that planet getting baked into fried chicken, there's suddenly an emotional impact. We're really simple animals that can't feel an attachment to anything even a little abstract.

Isnt this the plot of Interstellar?

[Pixel_Outlaw]

I liked how they color graded everything in the newest Terminator to pink and cyan.
Just like everything was in the 1980's pink and cyan.

There are some movies that the color grading has gotten really painful on.

I wish they would not color grade movies.
Maybe just use lighting and gels a bit better.

[Mortificator]

Seriously? People are questioning the brilliance of T2 in this thread?

Might be the end of me and this forum.

I know now why you cry.

[atheistgod1999]

I liked how they color graded everything in the newsest Terminator to pink and cyan.
Just like everything was in the 1980's pink and cyan.

There are some movies that the color grading has gotten really painful on.

I wish they would not color grade movies.
Maybe just use lighting and gels a bit better.

Minority Report gave me fucking eyestrain and a throbbing headache for an entire day.

[Ed Oscuro]

Terminator is about [...]

T2 is about how every kid wanted their dad to be Arnie, or a Terminator, or both at once, and wanted to see their real parents stabbed in the throat through a milk carton Furlong was probably as good as we could have expected in the role, but the choice of going there was more than a bit financially motivated. Same deal as making Aliens an upbeat shoot-em-up flick.

I don't really sign on with Opus' argument against Hamilton's acting (in her position, what's normal?) or the ending (the thumbs-up is one of the top shots in the franchise), but the movie definitely isn't up to the standard of the original, overall. Its other major selling point was liquid metal 3D CG (that still looks better than Jurassic World, doesn't it?)

I'd agree T2 is still far ahead of movies today. Hell, if we could just get one movie - this decade - of the caliber of The Last Action Hero, or Cliffhanger, or even Under Siege, I'd be happy enough. Don't think we'll have any such luck.

I wish they would not color grade movies.
Maybe just use lighting and gels a bit better.

I'm with you there. The world is full of awesome colors, Hollywood art types need to get off their asses and have a look outside. More than that, I'd be really disappointed if they stick with the same color tones throughout an entire film.

But I guess I'm an unreliable source since I love the look of all the garish Desilu Culver City 40 Acres stuff (from Star Trek to Mission: Impossible and Batman).

Good old Bambi is a good example of using different color grades. Everybody remembers bright scenes with the main cast, but there's also a lot of great desaturated foliage which was deliberately chosen. On a similar tangent, I think the actual animation consistency in that film is at least as high as '90s Disney - often simpler, too, which helps.

[Skykid]

T2 is awesome because of how stupid it is, not in spite of it.

I disagree. T2's weaknesses were just grating. The dumb kid (and that idiotic sappy ending, ugh), the horrendous humour, Linda Hamilton overacting the shit out of everything and that in a bad way. T1 was low budget but it wasn't hilarious B movie schlock. It actually had an excellent tone, with great atmosphere and several good characters, from Kyle Reese to the jaded cops and so forth. Simple stuff perhaps but effective. T2 was just too damn commercial.

I agree completely. Every time I watch T2 is gets gradually worse for the reasons mentioned above. It has superb set-pieces, but the movie doesn't carry its own weight very well. It's a very staccato affair that starts to amble in places, and its dragged down awfully by all the kiddy whimpering, kiddy pandering, awful humour, and Linda Hamilton chewing up the scenery and the walls while forgetting she can't really act all that well. If it was just 2 hours of T1 versus T2 it probably would have been more interesting.

All in all, as far as i'm concerned at least, Cameron made two great films. Terminator and Aliens. Everything else was just bad in almost every respect except the action and direction.

Perhaps two great films, yeah, but he has done other stuff with merit. I still wonder why Titanic is so sorely looked upon by people in afterthought: it's a very fun, well made popcorn movie with plenty of excitement and drama. True Lies isn't exactly a masterpiece, but there are a few laughs in there too, and some outstanding special effects work.

Avatar is absolutely awful though.

[copy-paster]

So this thread now is a general Terminator thread, right?

What do guys think about T3? TBH I somewhat liked it even though the script is dull and the villain are too overpowered, It's still has a decent action sequences.

Also after seeing some articles, Cameron is a big fan of Genisys, saying that the movie is still keeping the tone of first 2 movies.

[Opus131]

Cameron is an idiot if he said that.

T3 makes T2 look like Citizen Kane by comparison, and Genesys makes T3 look like... Citizen Kane by comparison. Seriously, how is it possible for something to just keep getting worse and worse?

[BryanM]

I pretty much remember nothing about #3 except for the inflatable boobies, knee capping cops, that The Messiah is a coke head, and uh... that I was very, very disappointed at the ending when they went into the bunker - that Skynet wasn't an Apple II sitting on a table.

Terminator 2 is pretty much the perfect action movie and renders all further action movies redundant. How naive was I as a kid, to think "this is really good, I can't wait to see what they'll make in the future!" And now everything is 100% nonstop cgi bukkake. (Can't call them "special" effects if they're always there. Now the real special effects are plain shots of actual mundane reality.)

Those stunts in Terminator 2 were all life and death situations. Arnold could have ate cement and died any half a dozen of times. That scene with a helicopter flying under an overpass? That's video of a helicopter. Flying under an overpass. Not a greenscreen composite.

Genesis makes T3 look like... Citizen Kane by comparison. Seriously, how is it possible for something to just keep getting worse and worse?

Okay I was planning never to watch Genecyst but since you endorse it I'll watch Geniesys within the fortnight and report forthwith

[Opus131]

The best part in T3 is when the T-X takes control of cars turning the film into Maximum Overdrive lol. I wonder what the writer was smoking when he came up with that idea. The resulting action scene was pretty good though.

[Mischief Maker]

The only things I remember from T-3 were all the weird gender stuff thrown in at random to no apparent conclusion (Claire Danes telling John Connor the pills he just swallowed were used to chemically neuter dogs, Ahnold smashing the lady Terminator's face into urinal after urinal, etc).

Also, in Terminator 2 Sarah Connor was so skilled and badass that when she gets hold of just a paper clip in a maximum security mental facility she's able to escape by starting with that clip then working her way up the chain of improvised tools and weapons. She would have succeeded, too, if she hadn't run into the one thing left in the world that could terrify her.

But in T3 John Connor, the child she's been training since birth to be an even bigger badass than herself, gets locked in a dog kennel with the world's biggest swiss army knife and he's stuck.

People to this day give huge props to Robert DeNiro for getting really fat for Raging Bull but I think Linda Hamilton deserves even more props for getting ripped to shreds for Terminator 2.

[GaijinPunch]

People to this day give huge props to Robert DeNiro for getting really fat for Raging Bull but I think Linda Hamilton deserves even more props for getting ripped to shreds for Terminator 2.

Christian Bale in The Machinist.

[Zen]

I still wonder why Titanic is so sorely looked upon by people in afterthought: it's a very fun, well made popcorn movie with plenty of excitement and drama.

People to this day give huge props to Robert DeNiro for getting really fat for Raging Bull but I think Linda Hamilton deserves even more props for getting ripped to shreds for Terminator 2.

Christian Bale in The Machinist.

Miss Hamilton got in shape. Respect. To compare it to DeNiro's heart attack daring Über-bloat? No contest. The Bull wins with a K.O.

Christian Bale's "one electrolyte away for death" condition showed a sustained, meditative ability that trumps them both.

[Sinful]

So this thread now is a general Terminator thread, right?

What do guys think about T3? TBH I somewhat liked it even though the script is dull and the villain are too overpowered, It's still has a decent action sequences.

Also after seeing some articles, Cameron is a big fan of Genisys, saying that the movie is still keeping the tone of first 2 movies.

Cameron was just promoting he's buddy, Arnold's, new Terminator with with Genisys. So of course he's going to praise it regardless of how trash it is. Even their wives talk to each other for crying out loud.

[Squire Grooktook]

The only things I remember from T-3 were all the weird gender stuff thrown in at random to no apparent conclusion (Claire Danes telling John Connor the pills he just swallowed were used to chemically neuter dogs, Ahnold smashing the lady Terminator's face into urinal after urinal, etc).

Don't forget when he shoves his balls in her mouth at the end

[Sinful]

That scene with a helicopter flying under an overpass? That's video of a helicopter. Flying under an overpass. Not a greenscreen composite.

Nobody wanted to film that scene due to how dangerous it seemed, so James Cameron just picked up it man balls and shot it himself.

[Sinful]

The only things I remember from T-3 were all the weird gender stuff thrown in at random to no apparent conclusion (Claire Danes telling John Connor the pills he just swallowed were used to chemically neuter dogs, Ahnold smashing the lady Terminator's face into urinal after urinal, etc).

Also, in Terminator 2 Sarah Connor was so skilled and badass that when she gets hold of just a paper clip in a maximum security mental facility she's able to escape by starting with that clip then working her way up the chain of improvised tools and weapons. She would have succeeded, too, if she hadn't run into the one thing left in the world that could terrify her.

But in T3 John Connor, the child she's been training since birth to be an even bigger badass than herself, gets locked in a dog kennel with the world's biggest swiss army knife and he's stuck.

People to this day give huge props to Robert DeNiro for getting really fat for Raging Bull but I think Linda Hamilton deserves even more props for getting ripped to shreds for Terminator 2.

lol, and yeah, good point.