It's the 10 year anniversary of Bush jr's re-election!

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Re: It's the 10 year anniversary of Bush jr's re-election!

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Domino wrote:Terrible policies
I assume you simply mean "the following", as this statement is pretty ambiguous otherwise. On that note...
a mess the ACA is currently is right now
Nobody's going to argue that there are plenty of kinks to work out, but you certainly don't hear the "it's the end of America as we know it" doomsayers strutting their stuff now that so many people are able to obtain insurance after being rejected outright for so many years. I would have liked a public option to truly put the fear of god into the medical monopolists (not to mention seen anyone ludicrous enough to utter the phrase "death panels" tarred and feathered on national television), but most people at this point are squarely in favor of improving the ACA, not scrapping it.
gun control
What gun control? Obama made some noise about it after a string of mass shootings, but backed down once again in the face of the NRA and its allies, and has hardly made a peep about it since. Hell, a majority of gun owners are in favor of universal background checks and other "common sense" reforms in this area, but he still won't touch them - the "Obama totally wants to take all our guns away" crowd is nothing short of delusional.
blame the rich for everything
The "you didn't build that" thing, in which he simply acknowledges that many of the private sector's greatest accomplishments wouldn't have happened without related government projects? Come on. Frankly, in an era where some billionaires feel free to openly claim that the meager criticism they receive (because they'll take all our jobs away if we hurt their feelings!) is like Nazi Germany even as the stock market booms and they gain more ground on the rest of the country than at any other time in our history, some (though certainly not all) of them deserve a much more critical reception than they get.
higher taxes
You mean letting the Bush tax cuts (mostly for higher earners, of course) expire, in the manner Bush intended when he enacted them? Oh, wait, he actually extended them for two years beyond their original deadline, that shifty Socialist.
You can change a few things around and you get people are so upset with the Republican party.
Sorry, but this is totally inane - there's plenty to blame both parties for, and certainly some overlap in there, but there's no way you can simultaneously complain about how hyper-partisanship is keeping any work from getting done in Washington and how both parties are all but indistinguishable. At this point we as a nation really need to get over the middle-school "all politics r st0000pid" mindset and realize that democracy, like the free market, only works when all participants are both informed and empowered: the more disengaged we get, the more vulnerable we are to the charlatans and snake oil salesmen...including the knee-jerk "it's totally that party's fault, we should totally clean house!" crowd.
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Nobody's going to argue that there are plenty of kinks to work out, but you certainly don't hear the "it's the end of America as we know it" doomsayers strutting their stuff now that so many people are able to obtain insurance after being rejected outright for so many years. I would have liked a public option to truly put the fear of god into the medical monopolists (not to mention seen anyone ludicrous enough to utter the phrase "death panels" tarred and feathered on national television), but most people at this point are squarely in favor of improving the ACA, not scrapping it.
Yes, because if you make an ok living they will take more of your paycheck and give it to the lower income as a "credit." Not far that I have to pay more of my paycheck to help someone who is going to gender reassignment. I have a friend who was a male is now a female and due to her low income and ACA it covered a lot of things for her. At the current form ACA is working out for her, but it isn't working for me where my cost is going up and god forbid if you have the family plan since that is going up the roof. Go tell a family of four that their insurance rates are going up the roof while the lower income it is cheap and not bad. I will admit I don't have a family to raise, but when you have to worry about the health of your family you see things differently.
What gun control? Obama made some noise about it after a string of mass shootings, but backed down once again in the face of the NRA and its allies, and has hardly made a peep about it since. Hell, a majority of gun owners are in favor of universal background checks and other "common sense" reforms in this area, but he still won't touch them - the "Obama totally wants to take all our guns away" crowd is nothing short of delusional.
It isn't about Obama only, plentyof Democrats are pro gun control. In matter of fact is a very very common for a Democrat to support Gun Control compare to a Pro Gun Repub.
The "you didn't build that" thing, in which he simply acknowledges that many of the private sector's greatest accomplishments wouldn't have happened without related government projects? Come on. Frankly, in an era where some billionaires feel free to openly claim that the meager criticism they receive (because they'll take all our jobs away if we hurt their feelings!) is like Nazi Germany even as the stock market booms and they gain more ground on the rest of the country than at any other time in our history, some (though certainly not all) of them deserve a much more critical reception than they get.
BS. My current company didn't became successful due to government projects. In matter of fact Obama almost drive the company out of business due to him getting involved in the Auto Industry Bailouts (we were once a Captive Auto Finance company but later became Uncaptive). Plenty of people at my company piss on Obama due to this. The government don't create jobs, instead they assist in making a favorable/unfavorable job environment. If the environment is unfavorable from a state government standpoint they will relocate (which is what is going on with my company, more roles are moving to the South).
You mean letting the Bush tax cuts (mostly for higher earners, of course) expire, in the manner Bush intended when he enacted them? Oh, wait, he actually extended them for two years beyond their original deadline, that shifty Socialist.
Uggghhh no, they affected even the middle class. As soon as they expired my taxes went up on my paycheck. Go live up in New York City and see how hard to live up there with almost everything begin taxed up the ass. Those tax cuts where nice for my paycheck and I'm not even in the higher earners group.
Sorry, but this is totally inane - there's plenty to blame both parties for, and certainly some overlap in there, but there's no way you can simultaneously complain about how hyper-partisanship is keeping any work from getting done in Washington and how both parties are all but indistinguishable. At this point we as a nation really need to get over the middle-school "all politics r st0000pid" mindset and realize that democracy, like the free market, only works when all participants are both informed and empowered: the more disengaged we get, the more vulnerable we are to the charlatans and snake oil salesmen...including the knee-jerk "it's totally that party's fault, we should totally clean house!" crowd.
No it is not. Flip everything one side and you get people upset with the Democrats, flip everything to the other side and you get people upset with the Democrats. Hyper-partisanship happens to both parties all the time. Think the ACA was bi-partisan, hell no it wasn't. Both parties act the same.
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It's sad that voters aren't willing to give the third party candidates a try other than voting Demoblican/Repocrat. This would help break the D/R/D/R seesaw of blame by allowing other choices.
Winner take all mandates two parties that gather together a wide swathe of interests. You're either voting for the guy who wants to build a shark filled moat on the border with Mexico, or you're against him. If you want better candidates, vote in the primaries. Kill your party by changing who it is.

Watching the election seesaw is exhausting I'll admit; it would be super keen if people actually voted in midterms so we'd have some stability. Look at the upcoming forecast:

2016: GOP midterm wave of 2010 is slaughtered. Thanks to this year and successful gerrymanding in GOP controlled states, it won't be possible for the Democrats to have total brief control like they had in 2008. Gerrymanders are absolutely crucial to control the House.

2018: Biased for the GOP. They'll make some pickups.

2020: The GOP gains of this year will get removed.

It's depressing to know that this is exactly how the elections will turn out, sitting here in 2014. Jack shit will get done in congress until 2024 or until there's riots on the streets.

I guess that's identical to the past, though... (It's also really exhausting to see shitty political cartoons from a hundred years ago and they're almost word for word identical to the shitty political cartoons of today..)
What gun control?
The gun control that makes it almost 25% as difficult to buy a gun as it is to vote, instead of being easier than getting a beer.

The kind that passed in Washington. Like with minimum wage, people love the policies of Democrats. They just don't like Democrats. Can't really blame them too much; gutless cowards that'll say anything a poll tells them to.

Still really weird how much the South likes the Clintons. The only explanation is that it's voting along tribal lines - they see them as "one of them".
You mean letting the Bush tax cuts (mostly for higher earners, of course) expire
The income tax cuts under 400k are still in place today.

The worker's share of the payroll tax went from 4.2% to 6.2%. A massive +$480 for your average 24k peasant (the entirety of the federal tax a 24k peasant pays). On the other hand, Social Security gets to live another decade before they finally have to actually raise the fooking cap so rich people actually feel some of the burden of SS.

Payroll is ridiculously regressive. If you employ yourself, it's supposed to be around 20% of your profit. If you make over just a few $hundred. People in poverty at that level don't report their income, especially if what they do is paid in cash, like mowing lawns or something.
Domino wrote:$400,000 a year is middle class.
I do like the people who think the economy should work like those in MMORPG's, where the money supply is infinite and there's no taxation whatsoever. For people who complain about inflation so much, you'd think they would want to avoid a world with 30% annual inflation.

Guess that's just asking too much to apply some basic logic with 4th grade math skills...
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Yes, because if you make an ok living they will take more of your paycheck and give it to the lower income as a "credit." Not far that I have to pay more of my paycheck to help someone who is going to gender reassignment. I have a friend who was a male is now a female and due to her low income and ACA it covered a lot of things for her.
If you want to argue about policy, stop bringing up corner cases. I'm a corner case. (Repatriated, no job, no insurance, paid $1000 a month out of pocket with no income). Of course, it's my fault for not having a job in the US. Actually my employer was in the US and offered me US-based insurance, even though I was in the land of masks and cartoons. They folded though, which means COBRA wasn't even an option. While there's a very, very small people in my situation in the US, it does underscore the fact that there is basically no safety net people that lose their jobs, or the poor. You can bitch and moan it's something you don't want to spend your money for but that's hardly an excuse. I don't want to spend my money on the biggest defense budget in the world (by a degree of magnitude or two) but them's the breaks. We should probably stop spending money on other handouts like emergency services... or just police work in general. Totally unnecessary.
It isn't about Obama only, plentyof Democrats are pro gun control. In matter of fact is a very very common for a Democrat to support Gun Control compare to a Pro Gun Repub.
What can we say. We're anti-school shootings. Gun Control also doesn't mean taking away guns.
Uggghhh no, they affected even the middle class.
Rectally...
As soon as they expired my taxes went up on my paycheck. Go live up in New York City
This is again, a corner case. Manhattan is ridiculously expensive... we all know that. Taxes are higher than in communist cuntries like England. But that's the price you gotta pay. Nobody really gives a shit about New Yorkers boohoos. I lived in what was the most expensive city in the world for like 7 of 10 years, and it was the same fucking thing. IF you don't like it, there are plenty of commutable areas close by.
and there's no taxation whatsoever.
PSO2 they actually take 5% on items you sell. :)

400k... :-? Anyway, this is really hard to explain to someone that's been in the work force for less than 5 years as they are still enamored of what they can become with selling their soul and overthrowing socialist presidents, but here's a 1st page Google link I found. Feel free to grab one and retort.

http://www.slate.com/articles/business/ ... toffs.html
Those affluent moments are more common than you might think. More than 76 percent of Americans get to experience the joys of a six-figure household income for at least one year, just more than half will make $150,000 or more at some point, and about 20 percent hit the $250,000 mark at least once, which these days would put them within the top 2 percent of earners.
20% of the population hits $250k a year *once*. Hmm...
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