First female arcade record in 30 years, Legit??

[Ed Oscuro]

Fedoras were originally hats for women.

That thing is like the Republicans got ahold of a cabbie's cap and threatened to tie-dye it if it didn't compromise. You see how well that worked out - now it's just a little bit blue and not at all red.

[CStarFlare]

why do you think twin galaxies etc ignore jp records? is it sheer ignorance, language barrier, something else? im actually a little mystified by that.

Japanese sources render TG and everything they've done nearly worthless. Worse, Japanese-caliber records tend to raise the barrier for entry for everyone else. Same reason we have Western records vs. Japanese records in the high score forum.

I imagine standards differences and difficulty to confirm submissions are big hurdles as well. And I'm sure they can't just copy Arcadia's etc records; they'd probably have to license the information from various sources.

Twin Galaxies isn't well situated for being THE authority on gaming records. They'd be well worth looking at if they set a scope of what they can reasonably be an authority on, and maybe pull in info from other authoritative sources for the rest.

[Pretas]

The only games Twin Galaxies is qualified to be an authority on are Golden Age Western arcade titles.

[brokenhalo]

What I don't get is how we went from talking about specific women to whining about "typical TG-inbred nonsense." Way to keep it classy guys!"

Cause they go hand in hand?

I haven't been on the tg site in a long time, but went on for a laugh and noticed this. Now you have to pay to submit a score for verification. Laugh located.

[Ed Oscuro]

Sorry, that alternate dimension is still entangled with our own. "TG" can be read two ways. I thought bananamatic and Zerst were having a side-discussion when they mentioned this Kamui player.

Wooooow, what a trip

Yeah, TWIN GALAXIES is still a crock of...buttery nonsense. Buttery, but nonsense. It's dead to me, just like all things lactose-based
I remember when they announced score verification. To be quite serious, it's the only way they can make a go of it. I guess Japan's just more stubborn about keeping arcade culture alive and everybody chips in for free, because they can afford to. It's hard to avoid the impression that TG fans are the people who just hang around arcade cabinets hoping somebody forgot to pull a quarter out of the return slot. But maybe I'm way off base in making such a comparison.

In this case I don't see the point on hating on TG. Let the girl have her time in the sun, even if she's still got a mil to go. It's gonna be a long winter folks!

[heisenbergman]

speaking of records... where's the best site to refer to for a comprehensive collection of all the current standing world records (and/or leaderboards) for arcade games?

[PurpBullets]

speaking of records... where's the best site to refer to for a comprehensive collection of all the current standing world records (and/or leaderboards) for arcade games?

Id have to point to this very website, specifically the STG Hall of Records. Thanks to NTSC-J for that!

[NTSC-J]

I appreciate it, but the best site for arcade listings is unquestionably this one (posted earlier).

I emailed kotaku to see if they would be interested in an article about actual world records and why no one seems to know what they are, so I'll keep you guys posted. This madness has to stop.

[Ganelon]

Yeah, good idea to actually try to effect change than to wait around.

Thanks for bringing up that arcade high score link. I saw the site a few years ago, couldn't find it again, and was wondering if I just dreamed it all up.

[chum]

I appreciate it, but the best site for arcade listings is unquestionably this one (posted earlier).

I emailed kotaku to see if they would be interested in an article about actual world records and why no one seems to know what they are, so I'll keep you guys posted. This madness has to stop.

It's quite useless. These people are too fond of their own culture to even begin to want to grasp the truth. I have talked to some people who talk about western arcade "records" and none of them were ever able to grasp the fact that there are actual world records, even though I provided them with the necessary resources. Ignorance is bliss.

[system11]

I appreciate it, but the best site for arcade listings is unquestionably this one (posted earlier).

I emailed kotaku to see if they would be interested in an article about actual world records and why no one seems to know what they are, so I'll keep you guys posted. This madness has to stop.

That's not going to work, you should have said that women, gay people and racial minorities were under-represented in TG score listings - THEN they'd have had an article to write.

[NTSC-J]

I'm sure if my article were ever published they could write another pointing out that the reason I wrote it in the first place was because I was enraged that a woman was getting credit for a high score. Go rattle some pots and pans, sweetheart, and leave the boss milking to the big boys.

[Eaglet]

I guess Kamui is a bit of a question of interpretation...
She and those who hang around her would call her a female player though.

[Skykid]

I appreciate it, but the best site for arcade listings is unquestionably this one (posted earlier).

I emailed kotaku to see if they would be interested in an article about actual world records and why no one seems to know what they are, so I'll keep you guys posted. This madness has to stop.

That's not going to work, you should have said that women, gay people and racial minorities were under-represented in TG score listings - THEN they'd have had an article to write.

[drauch]

Whatever article it is, I'm sure Kotaku could follow through with a real humdinger! Just HOW do they do it?

[BrianC]

From what I have seen on King of Kong, Twin Galaxies' methods are so behind, it's a wonder that they don't use Betamax tapes exclusively for their videos. Even with VHS tapes, they still went overboard about proof that it was real.

Edit: It looks like they do take DVD now, but, as someone mentioned before, now you have to pay to submit videos. They still seem to be overly picky about score submissions too.

[GaijinPunch]

Whatever article it is, I'm sure Kotaku could follow through with a real humdinger! Just HOW do they do it?

Journalistic integrity!

[evil_ash_xero]

Kotaku always has sand in it's vagina.

[Udderdude]

http://www.examiner.com/article/splatte ... 1095486083

That score either was done on a different boardset type that doesn't cap the number of extra lives provided and/or allowed the player to use the boss respawn glitch to run up the score.

Under the official rules at Twin Galaxies and Aurcade, Caitlin's run (which is now up to 533,600 points) is the highest score on record.

Any comments on this? Is there a big difference between the US and JP versions?

[trap15]

Fuck Twin Galaxies. That's my comment.

[Ed Oscuro]

naughty people and their glitch milking, tsk tsk

[Zerst]

I'm curious about that, myself. Autofire issues aside, marp is a significantly better resource for stuff like that, and their top score is 462k. I'll ask around.

Edit: Looks like it's just leeching the last boss repeatedly. 100k points per kill, using a double KO to checkpoint milk. The game stops giving lives after a while so it's not doable infinitely, but perhaps that's where the version difference comes into play? Either that or I know there's a common, somewhat arbitrary, TG rule where they consider the fifth death in checkpoint games the end of scoring, to dissuade excessive milking.

[Skykid]

http://www.examiner.com/article/splatte ... 1095486083

That score either was done on a different boardset type that doesn't cap the number of extra lives provided and/or allowed the player to use the boss respawn glitch to run up the score.

Under the official rules at Twin Galaxies and Aurcade, Caitlin's run (which is now up to 533,600 points) is the highest score on record.

Any comments on this? Is there a big difference between the US and JP versions?

Well, like I asked earlier, I 1cc'd the game last week and I have no idea how the Japanese score is so high - real curious about the tricks as the game is short and linear, discounting alternate routes. My feckin score was about 200k iirc and I wasn't even playing for score, so Caitlin's not exactly miles ahead... maybe I should go for the "world record".

[CStarFlare]

I'm curious about that, myself. Autofire issues aside, marp is a significantly better resource for stuff like that, and their top score is 462k. I'll ask around.

Edit: Looks like it's just leeching the last boss repeatedly. 100k points per kill, using a double KO to checkpoint milk. The game stops giving lives after a while so it's not doable infinitely, but perhaps that's where the version difference comes into play? Either that or I know there's a common, somewhat arbitrary, TG rule where they consider the fifth death in checkpoint games the end of scoring, to dissuade excessive milking.

Per the TG page:

Special Rules: Your Record attempt ends when your lives run out OR you defeat the final boss for the first time as it's possible to die after delivering the final blow, allowing you to defeat him again and again. This is due to the fact he's 100,000 points, which is worth multiple extra lives. Continues are NOT allowed!

So I'm guessing she did a ton of milking earlier on. I've never played the game, but it seems like the bubble section could be worth quite a bit if you stuck around and let everything hatch. Is there a hidden time limit to each stage?

EDIT: I'm reading their score submission guidelines, and I'm seriously confused by their arcade submission rules. Other consoles seem to be "Just record the screen," but arcades have this weird long rambling set of instructions where you have to record yourself and state your name and the date and you have to show your hands (in some cases but not others?) and you can record part of the screen and a mirror on the bezel would be nice, then you have to open the machine and show the dip switches and chip labels when you're done.

Or you can just record an inp in MAME. But literally every other game has to be played on original hardware!

These guys.

[Ed Oscuro]

"Milking is OK but not at the final boss because apparently we didn't know that extra lives run out." - is that about the size of it?

[GaijinPunch]

Twin Galaxies are dick heads. What is the debate again?

[Zerst]

EDIT: I'm reading their score submission guidelines, and I'm seriously confused by their arcade submission rules. Other consoles seem to be "Just record the screen," but arcades have this weird long rambling set of instructions where you have to record yourself and state your name and the date and you have to show your hands (in some cases but not others?) and you can record part of the screen and a mirror on the bezel would be nice, then you have to open the machine and show the dip switches and chip labels when you're done.

That was some bullshit that came out of the fact that when the King of Kong movie came out, everyone thought that the recordholder for donkey kong would somehow become a financially lucrative celebrity. That obviously turned out to not be the case, but a lot of nutcases acted as though it would, most of the people involved in TG are still hung up over it to this day.

[BareKnuckleRoo]

Do places like TG and MARP even realize how they're not taken seriously due to their totally arbitrary, backwards rules?

[Zerst]

Do places like TG and MARP even realize how they're not taken seriously due to their totally arbitrary, backwards rules?

I know you have a serious issue with the autofire rule on MARP, but to make a blanket statement comparing that one gray area to the endless nonsense that comes out of TG's "Special Rulings" is a bit extreme.

[trap15]

MARP is nowhere near as bad as TG. The only silly rule I can think of from MARP is no autofire, which isn't really a big deal. TG is just a huge heap of nonsense. MARP doesn't try to call itself the authority on world records, at the absolute very least :V