Sony Trinitron model numbers

[matrigs]

actually, i was just searching for some info on the ae-1c chassis and its' similarities to the ae-1, and came across this pdf:

http://www.empresas.mundo-r.com/cromavi ... Y%20TV.pdf

this one is MAD helpful. definitely a must-have bookmark.

[Drachenherz]

I think I love you, Matrigs! Bookmarked!

Btw, I placed my bid on the before mentioned sets. Hope I'll win both auctions and get a 21" and a 29" tv for a total of a whopping 21 swiss francs.

Both within 15km driving range.

I intend to use the 21 for tateable purposes and the 29 to bask in all it's horizonal glory.

Although I'm tempted to build some kind of construction to tate the large monstrosity - I know, I know, I AM a strange person.

Btw., I'm really curious how the trinitrons will compare to the B&O MX4000.

And I'm not quite sure whether I want to know how they compare to my now broken PVM. Actually, I'm trying to actively forget how beautiful the image on the PVM wafs, lest my heart starts bleeding again.

Well, maybe one day I will dare to take it apart and see what could be done about it.

[matrigs]

i'm mad excited myself, as i found an ae-1 29" trinitron today in my hometown for as low as 25 USD.

picking it up tomorrow. jeez i just hope it isn't burnt out.

[Drachenherz]

Good luck to you matrigs! I hope no one else bids on "my" trinitrons, The auctions end in 3 resp. 4 days…

[matrigs]

Just keep in mind that this list is far from complete. In fact for our beloved AE-1 it doesn't mention the KV-C27 nor the one i will be checking out tomorrow, the KV-C2911D

[MKL]

In fact for our beloved AE-1 it doesn't mention the KV-C27 nor the one i will be checking out tomorrow, the KV-C2911D

KV-C2911 is AE-1C. Easy to tell by looking at the back of the TV. The scart sockets on AE-1 are vertical, on AE-1B/C horizontal.

A more complete list of AE-1 (B/C) sets:

http://img163.imageshack.us/img163/2929/fddb.jpg

For models released in other regions replace final A with D or U. Models exclusive to other regions (e.g. KV-X2532U) are not listed.

[matrigs]

In fact for our beloved AE-1 it doesn't mention the KV-C27 nor the one i will be checking out tomorrow, the KV-C2911D

KV-C2911 is AE-1C. Easy to tell by looking at the back of the TV. The scart sockets on AE-1 are vertical, on AE-1B/C horizontal.

A more complete list of AE-1 (B/C) sets:

http://img163.imageshack.us/img163/2929/fddb.jpg

For models released in other regions replace final A with D or U. Models exclusive to other regions (e.g. KV-X2532U) are not listed.

the scarts in this one are horizontal.

http://www.manualscenter.com/manuals/so ... anual.html

[MKL]

Do you have the full manual? I don't (not going to pay for it ). The drawing in the preview shows vertical sockets which would be in agreement with an AE-1 chassis. Only, I wouldn't expect an AE-1 chassis on that model. I need to check that. If you have the TV it's easy to see what chassis it has: AE-1 has a separate power board whereas on AE-1B/C it's integrated in the main board.

[matrigs]

Well i'll buy that tv anyway, no mather which version of chassis it has, and i'll check.

I have to admit that it would be weird, as the TV is very similar to the C2941D and C2911A which both have the AE-1C.

[MKL]

Well i'll buy that tv anyway, no mather which version of chassis it has, and i'll check.

Sure, there's no reason to prefer AE-1 over AE-1B/C as they're all the same quality. B/C are just later variants (more compact, less sub-boards).

I have to admit that it would be weird, as the TV is very similar to the C2941D and C2911A which both have the AE-1C.

What sounds odd to me is that an AE-1 is 29". I thought they were all 27" at that time. But then again it's not impossible that switch from 27" to 29" tubes happened during the AE-1 period.

[matrigs]

well, look at this beauty:



i didn't exect it to have the same full shield as the KV-C27! This is AWESOME.



gloooriouuus poooots



looks like a separate psu unit for me. ae-1 confirmed?



i can fap to this...

the picture quality is not amazing right out of the box, but i'm pretty sure that with a bit of tinkering i might have a winner here.



not bad. the yoke might need a little turn though.



nice



the picture is a bit cold and lacks a bit of sharpness. but i haven't touched any pot yet, so there is still some room for improvement.

well, either way, for 30 usd that one's a steal.

big pictures below:

http://imgur.com/a/PzI8k#0

[Drachenherz]

Holy Shit...

I just found completely complete handbooks for the two trinitrons I'm bidding on... *drools*

I think... I might like this. Especially the X2131D, although the 29x5B might be a really sexy beast... Oh boy, I hope I do win those auctions (i.e.: no one else bids on it *lol*)

[MKL]

i didn't exect it to have the same full shield as the KV-C27! This is AWESOME.

All 25", 27" and 29" AE-1/AE-1B/AE-1C TVs have the shield (makes these things so heavy...). Only 21" models don't.

looks like a separate psu unit for me. ae-1 confirmed?

Yes.

the picture quality is not amazing right out of the box, but i'm pretty sure that with a bit of tinkering i might have a winner here.

Keep in mind that these TVs are 20-25 years old. They need to be refurbished as at least some components (capacitors, some resistors, flyback, not to mention the tube) will likely be worn out and out of specs. You can't expect them to be like new especially without some work on the chassis. Nice get nonetheless.

[matrigs]

makes these things so heavy...

Tbh. The mid 90s Trin i have at home without the shield is heavier. And is slimmer without those stereo speakers. And don't get me started on those completely flat screens, like the LG one i have at home.

Keep in mind that these TVs are 20-25 years old. They need to be refurbished as at least some components (capacitors, some resistors, flyback, not to mention the tube) will likely be worn out and out of specs. You can't expect them to be like new especially without some work on the chassis. Nice get nonetheless.

Of course. But i am not able to tell right now how good (or bad) the tube itself is. All those parts you mentioned are easily availlable. But if the tube ends out being burned out then there's nop cigar. I'm curious if there are differences in aging between trinitron tubes and normal ones. My 23 year old Grundig with a phillips tube has the most amazing colours without ever touching the inards or OSD ever.

Either way, this looks MUCH better than the hi-res tube in my Naomi. A swap might be imminent.

[MKL]

if the tube ends out being burned out then there's nop cigar.

The tube can be replaced with one from another Sony. I'm sure that the tubes used in some later models have the same yoke specs so a yoke swap may not even be necessary.

I'm curious if there are differences in aging between trinitron tubes and normal ones.

In the TV repairmen forums I visit I've seen quite a few cases of Sony tubes from 20 years ago that developed shorts that couldn't be removed with a rejuvenator.

Either way, this looks MUCH better than the hi-res tube in my Naomi. A swap might be imminent.

And how are you going to deal with the different face contour of the tubes? Custom bezel?

[matrigs]

And how are you going to deal with the different face contour of the tubes? Custom bezel?

Depends on the difference of the curvature. If it's curved more than the Sanwa, i can just dremel out the excess. If it's flatter than i might have a problem. Didn't think that far tbh.

I am much more concerned about mounting the screen in the sega frame and if i am able to stuff all of the chassis into the cab.

In fact i might be better off trying to find another sega frame and bezel to not get to a point of no return.

But let's not think this far - first i have to make the TV worth mounting, which it isn't, right now.

[fagin]

Personally I think the AE-1 chassis is over-rated, in real world comparisons to the other Sony chassis........... it's a consumer tube at the end of the day!

[matrigs]

Personally I think the AE-1 chassis is over-rated, in real world comparisons to the other Sony chassis........... it's a consumer tube at the end of the day!

As i have a BE-something chassis at home also, i will be able to make a full comparison.

You are probably right about that. I still prefer mu Grundig or even polish Unitra set with Phillips tubes over this one. I'm curious though, how it will handle different resolutions, as it is supposed have a wide compatibility range which is great for low-res gaming. Especially suited for Groovymame etc.

It's not like i moved the world to obtain this one. I didn't even leavy my hometown. It's true that paying some ridiculous amount of money for shippinh or driving to the other side of the country for one of these is quite the stretch.

[Drachenherz]

Yay, I managed to snag a KV X2131D for 20.-- and an KV 29X5B for 1.-- . Today I picked up the X2131D, and the image quality actually blows me away. In the 21" range, I was tinkering around with a B&O MX4000, but I never got such a brilliant picture like the trinitron gives - even before tinkering with the settings!

Wow, I am really, really curious now how good the 29X5B will be - I hope it may replace my now defunct PVM 2730QM.

[matrigs]

Well, my AE-1 is dead

There was something wrong with it from the start, as it needed a massive time to get a picture on the screen.

Yesterday i launched it and there is no picture at all anymore. I'm pretty sure that it's something in the power section. I won't be able to repair that though, alone.

[Drachenherz]

Okay, got the KV 29X5B now... Now, it's a nice set, but it seems that the tube could be past its best days... The image in the upper left corner (and actually on the whole) is a tad bit blurry. In the upper left corner, it's a bit more prominent than in the rest of the picture, which let's me suspect that some settings (convergence?) are a little bit off. Especially, as the picture looks a bit like it's "ghosting".

And the set didn't come with the original remote. I got most of the functions working via a logitech harmony 650 remote, but I'm missing one thing...

I can't manage to get into the service menu. I'm going to standby, pressing "display", "5", "vol +" and then... Pressing "power on" doesn't get me the service menu, and I don't know which button the "TV" button is, or how it is called in the harmony setup menu. (as the manual to the set says, the code for entering the service menu should be "display", "5", "Vol +", "TV".

Help?

[Fudoh]

It's the button you use to exit from teletext. Maybe this helps ?

[Drachenherz]

It's the button you use to exit from teletext. Maybe this helps ?

I think it's the "empty TV"icon-button, but I have no idea how it's called in the harmonys setup... Hmm, let's have another try at programming it. *sigh*


(but actually, I don't even know if it's worth the hassle... Picture is not only a *bit* blurry, but quite a lot... I've played some gigawing 2 on DC via rgb, and when I enter my initials, the letters are reeeeeally fuzzy... Don't know whether this will be fixable via the service menu...

Ah well, it was only one buck, this set...

[Drachenherz]

Yay! After some trial and error with my logitech harmony I found out what the "empty tv" button is called on the harmony. I picked up with fudohs tipp, that the "empy tv" button also is used to exit teletext. That narrowed down the number of possible buttons on the harmony quite considerably (all buttons of the original remote can be displayed and chosen on the OSD of the harmony and also be programmed to a real button.)

The "guide off" command in the harmony menu does exactly what the "empty tv" button does! Yaaay!

And the service menu works!

It's the button you use to exit from teletext. Maybe this helps ?

It helped a lot, dankeschön!

[matrigs]

Yay! After some trial and error with my logitech harmony I found out what the "empty tv" button is called on the harmony. I picked up with fudohs tipp, that the "empy tv" button also is used to exit teletext. That narrowed down the number of possible buttons on the harmony quite considerably (all buttons of the original remote can be displayed and chosen on the OSD of the harmony and also be programmed to a real button.)

The "guide off" command in the harmony menu does exactly what the "empty tv" button does! Yaaay!

And the service menu works!

It's the button you use to exit from teletext. Maybe this helps ?

It helped a lot, dankeschön!

just remember to write down / make pictures of the initial settings in the osd. it's very easy to get lost and there are no universal settings availlable!

[Drachenherz]

I took pictures of all the settings as they were. Hmm, I have a hunch that I won't be able to correct the blurriness of the picture... Trying to post some pics soon.

[matrigs]

test screens are key. there are different for geometry, convergence, etc.

i you have a dreamcast, the 240p test suite is a very nice one.

[Drachenherz]

test screens are key. there are different for geometry, convergence, etc.

i you have a dreamcast, the 240p test suite is a very nice one.

very informative, this certainly will come handy.

[Axelay]

Hi people a complete newb here was going to pick up a Sony KV-25X5U trinitron for retro gaming.
I want to use this for my saturn shooters . snes and megadrive.

Will this this set do ? and also will it support 4:3 ?

thank you .

grabbing this sucker for £25.

love the site can not wait to explore some topics!

[Overkill]

Im going to a seller house see another Grundig CRT, this one seems to have an "CUC6360" Chassi. the seller don't provided any info on the model itself, so i can't check nothing on the web. The chassi CUC6360 is on several models. Googling i just find pdfs of the service menu. So any good feedback is welcome. Thanks in advance.