Sexism, etc. (split from SDOJ thread)

[Casper<3]

Aya Forever<3

[matrigs]

Newsflash: Japan 2013 is still the most overtly sexist country in the developed world.

Correct me if i'm wrong - but isn't this a common misconception?

If not i'd certainly like to read up more on that.

[Skykid]

Correct me if i'm wrong - but isn't this a common misconception?

Edit: let's go detailed.

'Overtly' sexist. Not as in, every guy is outwardly chauvinistic (in-fact, I think the opposite is true). The role of the female in society is a different matter, as are the expectations placed upon them, such that wouldn't be tolerated elsewhere. Idolatry of women in AV stars, pop, animu, and general media etc., is not a form of respectable worship, it's a refashioning of realistic behaviours to suit male desires.

The effects on how women are portrayed is having a detrimental effect on the country's ability to procreate, since real women don't reflect submissive anime waifus, they bite back.

[Bananamatic]

since real women don't reflect submissive anime waifus, they bite back.

how about dominant waifus

speaking of waifus, why does Shuri call you Master

it should be the other way

[HenAi]

The effects on how women are portrayed is having a detrimental effect on the country's ability to procreate, since real women don't reflect submissive anime waifus, they bite back.

That depends very much on how they are brought up. In fact, non-western countries that don't grant women the same rights like Japan does have a lot higher birth rates.

[Skykid]

^ this is all off topic.

You don't need an explanation, Japan's difficulties between the sexes are both unique and plainly obvious, and are largely responsible for fucking up perfectly good videogames with countless derivatives of blushing preteen dimwits.

[Formless God]

fucking up perfectly good videogames with <shit not at all relevant to gameplay>

Does not compute.

[rancor]

That depends very much on how they are brought up. In fact, non-western countries that don't grant women the same rights like Japan does have a lot higher birth rates.

Hint: It's not the women that have the problems. It's these guys:




I've met plenty of girls here that are into procreation and ready to settle down. They all complain about the men here.

[Skykid]

^ I hope he's planning to share some of that ramen with his fuck pillow.

[KAI]

Japanese men are: Gays or pillow fuckers, or both.

[O. Van Bruce]

That depends very much on how they are brought up. In fact, non-western countries that don't grant women the same rights like Japan does have a lot higher birth rates.

Hint: It's not the women that have the problems. It's these guys:




I've met plenty of girls here that are into procreation and ready to settle down. They all complain about the men here.

hahahahahaha. Just another face of the raging machism that exists in japan: even the filthiest and ugliest man think women should look perfect for then even if they don't make the same effort as women to look good (sometimes they don't even try to).

Edit: Ugh, I forgot that I finally decided to send a brick wall to HenAi instead of posting it here. In the end I made a reference to it...

[Udderdude]

Well, I didn't intend for things to get this off-topic, but if it keeps going, I suggest a thread split.

And just to throw even more fuel on the "Japan otaku are insane" fire .. http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/fe ... -boyfriend

[mesh control]

Good thread.
I'm glad I logged into the internet, today.

[O. Van Bruce]

Good thread.
I'm glad I logged into the internet, today.

I'm feeling a sarcasm vibe here. If you have nothing better to do go do something you like instead of critizicing others.

[trap15]

Good thread.
I'm glad I logged into the internet, today.

I'm feeling a sarcasm vibe here.

I don't think it's just a vibe. It's more like screaming in your ear that he's being sarcastic.

If you have nothing better to do go do something you like instead of critizicing others.

I get the feeling that he likes criticizing others. Besides, isn't being critical one of the most important parts of being an intelligent species? Without criticism, I don't think humans would have progressed to this point. Hell, we'd probably still be in middle-ages-era tech if it weren't for criticism.

[O. Van Bruce]

Good thread.
I'm glad I logged into the internet, today.

I'm feeling a sarcasm vibe here.

I don't think it's just a vibe. It's more like screaming in your ear that he's being sarcastic.

If you have nothing better to do go do something you like instead of critizicing others.

I get the feeling that he likes criticizing others. Besides, isn't being critical one of the most important parts of being an intelligent species? Without criticism, I don't think humans would have progressed to this point. Hell, we'd probably still be in middle-ages-era tech if it weren't for criticism.

I think you know the diference bettwen constructive criticism and worthless criticism.

[trap15]

Unfortunately, I don't think I can say you know the difference between constructive threads and worthless threads.

[O. Van Bruce]

I know well enough that some people here don't value some themes as being "worthy". Anyway, every thread in a forum can't be as brilliant as you want. you have 2 options: ignore the thread you don't like and use your time in something more "worthy" ; or you can use the report button.

Either way, bawing in public because you don't like what others do is simply stupid since the only thing you achieve is insult or piss of other people.

[trap15]

The idea is to shitpost the thread into oblivion, or shitpost it until it gets locked.

That's The Shmupsforum Way! (TM) (C) (R)

[KAI]

KAI™ way to lock threads:



Sexism in japan my ass.

[Edmond Dantes]

Newsflash: Japan 2013 is still the most overtly sexist country in the developed world.

Correct me if i'm wrong - but isn't this a common misconception?

If not i'd certainly like to read up more on that.

Same here.

Every time I hear about Japanese sexism, it's usually from the perspective of a westerner who got all his info from the internet. And we all know, NOBODY on the internet is EVER misinformed or lying and everyone ALWAYS researches their facts thoroughly, and there's never any such thing as "people reading too much into it."

Edit: let's go detailed.

'Overtly' sexist. Not as in, every guy is outwardly chauvinistic (in-fact, I think the opposite is true). The role of the female in society is a different matter, as are the expectations placed upon them, such that wouldn't be tolerated elsewhere. Idolatry of women in AV stars, pop, animu, and general media etc., is not a form of respectable worship, it's a refashioning of realistic behaviours to suit male desires.

The effects on how women are portrayed is having a detrimental effect on the country's ability to procreate, since real women don't reflect submissive anime waifus, they bite back.

I mean, no offense to you, SkyKid--you're cool--just that, I see nothing here that couldn't just as easily be applied to Hollywood or western music groups. And I see one part that is questionable--"Submissive anime waifus?" Most anime I've seen have women who will basically kill you if you don't bow to their every whim and present THE GUY as weak and submissive.

[NTSC-J]

Japan is very sexist. One doesn't have to look very hard to see why. Here's an article that touches on some good points.

In terms of my personal experience living in Japan, I can vouch for the points skykid brought up as well as what's mentioned in that article. Most women I've talked to about it have admitted to being groped on the trains (one statistic I read said over 90% of women have admitted that it's happened to them) and they just sort of accept it as being part of life. At work, women prepare the tea. My wife was essentially fired for getting pregnant. Woman are sexualized starting at an early age and generally don't seem to be able to say no when a guy wants to have sex (to the delight of many Westerners who come over here and suddenly feel like studs). Women are often expected to raise the kids by themselves, leading to strange relationships between boys and their mothers and daughters and their distant, unavailable fathers. Women grow up wanting to please men, men grow up wanting to destroy women, as can be witnessed in the annihilation and degradation of women in not just porn, but anime and manga.

It goes on.

[O. Van Bruce]

Japan is very sexist. One doesn't have to look very hard to see why. Here's an article that touches on some good points.

In terms of my personal experience living in Japan, I can vouch for the points skykid brought up as well as what's mentioned in that article. Most women I've talked to about it have admitted to being groped on the trains (one statistic I read said over 90% of women have admitted that it's happened to them) and they just sort of accept it as being part of life. At work, women prepare the tea. My wife was essentially fired for getting pregnant. Woman are sexualized starting at an early age and generally don't seem to be able to say no when a guy wants to have sex (to the delight of many Westerners who come over here and suddenly feel like studs). Women are often expected to raise the kids by themselves, leading to strange relationships between boys and their mothers and daughters and their distant, unavailable fathers. Women grow up wanting to please men, men grow up wanting to destroy women, as can be witnessed in the annihilation and degradation of women in not just porn, but anime and manga.

It goes on.

+10 couldn't have said it better.

Here's an article

I'll never enter th AKB48 thread in /jp/... this has set a new high score in the "creepy things from japan" shmup...

[Skykid]

Thanks for saving my breath NTSC-J.

Very good article. Despite English not being the first language, it provides a good insight into Japan's institutionalised sexism.

I especially liked this (grammatically corrected:)

"This is the age of global sexism, where the uneducated are controlled by the uneducated."

I could apply that to way more than just sexism. In-fact, that's been my general view on most of society for a long time.

you're cool

I know.

[Hagane]

[...] My wife was essentially fired for getting pregnant. Woman are sexualized starting at an early age [...] Women are often expected to raise the kids by themselves, leading to strange relationships between boys and their mothers and daughters and their distant, unavailable fathers. Women grow up wanting to please men, men grow up wanting to destroy women, as can be witnessed in the annihilation and degradation of women in not just porn, but anime and manga.

Not much different from the rest of the world it seems.

[Marble]

Japan is very sexist. One doesn't have to look very hard to see why. Here's an article that touches on some good points.

In terms of my personal experience living in Japan, I can vouch for the points skykid brought up as well as what's mentioned in that article. Most women I've talked to about it have admitted to being groped on the trains (one statistic I read said over 90% of women have admitted that it's happened to them) and they just sort of accept it as being part of life. At work, women prepare the tea. My wife was essentially fired for getting pregnant. Woman are sexualized starting at an early age and generally don't seem to be able to say no when a guy wants to have sex (to the delight of many Westerners who come over here and suddenly feel like studs). Women are often expected to raise the kids by themselves, leading to strange relationships between boys and their mothers and daughters and their distant, unavailable fathers. Women grow up wanting to please men, men grow up wanting to destroy women, as can be witnessed in the annihilation and degradation of women in not just porn, but anime and manga.

It goes on.

Beautiful words, man. You should write romance novels.

[O. Van Bruce]

[...] My wife was essentially fired for getting pregnant. Woman are sexualized starting at an early age [...] Women are often expected to raise the kids by themselves, leading to strange relationships between boys and their mothers and daughters and their distant, unavailable fathers. Women grow up wanting to please men, men grow up wanting to destroy women, as can be witnessed in the annihilation and degradation of women in not just porn, but anime and manga.

Not much different from the rest of the world it seems.

Not much different from Latinamerica, you may say; and let me add that I'm not saying this without knowledge since I lived in Colombia until I was 13 years old... when I came back 7 years later, it disgusted me how men treated women and how women let thenselves be treaten like that. Things are handled very differently in Europe.

[trap15]

[...] My wife was essentially fired for getting pregnant. Woman are sexualized starting at an early age [...] Women are often expected to raise the kids by themselves, leading to strange relationships between boys and their mothers and daughters and their distant, unavailable fathers. Women grow up wanting to please men, men grow up wanting to destroy women, as can be witnessed in the annihilation and degradation of women in not just porn, but anime and manga.

Not much different from the rest of the world it seems.

Not different, but a hyper-concentrated version of the rest of the world.

[BryanM]

Hint: It's not the women that have the problems. It's these guys:

Then there are surveys where nearly half of the women want a husband that makes at least 6 million yen a year.

When the average woman thinks you need to be in the top 4%, or you're a joke, suddenly the regression to 2d waifus and regarding the real world to be full of 3d pigs begins to make some scrap of sense.

A lovely look into the future for the rest of humanity.

Also: Weird stories about lady stalkers (stalkers who are ladies)/hookers stalking rich men to marry them. Wtf..

[kamiboy]

The western man, haughtily looking down on and spitting upon the barbarian outsiders and their inferior cultural habits since ancient Greece.

Sexism stems from inherent traits in simian males, it is part of the wonderful group of instincts that define social behaviour. One may bemoan it to one's heart's content, but it will always be part of the species wide standard set of programming.

As it usually is with instincts one can try to suppress it with reason or law, but as long as the underlying mechanism exists it will continue to manifest itself in some form or fashion. Western societies have merely shamed themselves into suppressing it better on a surface level. If I were to venture a guess as to why they have so far had more success in suppressing it at surface level than others it would have to come back to the old favourite, the christian background and its ancient shame strategy in all matters sexual.

I have never been a fan of the west's Greco-roman approach to the outside world in always falling back on, "You uneducated lot are like this because do not know any better, so we are going to force you to change to our way of doing things". If Japanese women really find their lot in life to be unbearable then they certainly are more than capable of forcing societal change. The last thing they need is a round table of western male knights coming to their rescue.