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GaijinPunch wrote:Keep searching. Doesn't exist. If I want to watch an anime I generally just get shit from the 80's/90's.

Oh, Redline is definitely worth watching. It is basically an 80's anime with a 2010 budget & gloss.
I'd have to say that Redline certainly has that old-school hand-drawn charm that's missing currently from today's modern-day anime releases whether it be serialized or in movie form nowdays. But with a time schedule of seven whole years just to properly produce it, I wouldn't mind another Redline movie sequel just to see what happens next...what new devious tricks up the sleeve do our Redline racers have to win this prestigious race?

Check out the 6-episodes of Broken Blade and be prepared to be blown away by some hard-hitting heavy mecha action indeed, DaneSaga.

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PC Engine Fan X! wrote:Check out the 6-episodes of Broken Blade and be prepared to be blown away by some hard-hitting heavy mecha action indeed, DaneSaga.
done. Now in my queue 8)


Any opinions on these:

Casshern Sins
Mardock Scramble movies
Sakamichi no Apollon (Shinichiro Watanabe directed it apparently)

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DaneSaga wrote:
Probably because they are Oshii Mamoru films with the Patlabor name slapped on top of them. Still great though and Oshii is boss.
Didn't enjoy WXIII nearly half as much but it was certainly watchable.

Gurren Lagann is a name I hear quite often and compared to Gunbuster a lot too. Probably going to have to see what all the fuss is about sooner or later.

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yeppers that's why I compared to GITS - I actually think the 'ambientish music with pretty art/cinematography and no speech' part in Patlabor II is the best I've ever seen - just amazing, yeah I liked WXIII, but it definitely is no Patlabor II quality wise...

Gurren Lagann is brilliant if you're prepared to open yourself to full on OTT energy and excitement, the art is amazing too.
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xbl0x180 wrote:On almost every category, except for moe, stupid jokes and fanservice, 80s or 90s anime will be better than stuff from the 2000s 8)
make the above your sig :p
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DaneSaga wrote:done. Now in my queue 8)

Any opinions on these:

Casshern Sins
Cartoon Network is or was airing this series at around midnight on Saturdays (Sundays, actually). The designs look simplistic and sketchy and, while this may not deter a strong series, it seemed the whole thing was weak. I didn't watch more than a few episodes of this. The Umetsu Yasuomi Casshan 90s OAVs are way better by comparison. Hell, I'd track down the OG 70s Casshan 8)

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xbl0x180 wrote:On almost every category, except for moe, stupid jokes and fanservice, 80s or 90s anime will be better than stuff from the 2000s 8)
make the above your sig :p

It's bound to irritate a few members here, so I'll consider it.
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Hagane wrote:
GaijinPunch wrote:Keep searching. Doesn't exist. If I want to watch an anime I generally just get shit from the 80's/90's.
There's probably more good anime post 2000 than in the 90's and 80's.

Op Intensify's list is pretty much spot on. I'd add Dennou Coil, Detroit Metal City (read the manga though) and House of Five Leaves. Some people like Monster; I thought it was poorly paced compared to the manga but you might find it interesting.
Meh...
I'll take the hand-drawn stuff to the so amazingly polished there's no way it wasn't a computer look any day. Less moe, less horse shit. Japanese pop culture has just gotten too pussy.
xbl0x180 wrote:On almost every category, except for moe, stupid jokes and fanservice, 80s or 90s anime will be better than stuff from the 2000s 8)
It would actually make up for your emoticon abuse.

On a serious note, I will probably hate must stuff post 1996, as that's when I started to understand enough Japanese to realize how flat most of the voice actors are, and uneventful the dialogue really is -- there's a lot to be said about translating from Japanese to English and not making it stale. That's not to say it all sucks... just most of it. I also was growing up (but for some reason stuck to video games).
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Kaiji.

You must watch Kaiji.

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The anime reached its peak in the 80's, It's cientificly proved. It went downhill since then.

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I more or less stick to 80s-early 90s OVAs these days.

Like the infinitely entertaining Black Lion by Go Nagai (so you know it's tasteless).

Or the totally incredible, bitchin' awesome Tank Police by Shirow Masamune, which is basically Metal Slug: The Anime.
The original is classic 80s cyberpunk goodness, and the sequel, New Dominion Tank Police, is Lethal Weapon 2 levels of excitement (and actually much better).

And it has some of the most awesome music ever in an anime series. Pure 80s.
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EmperorIng wrote:Like the infinitely entertaining Black Lion by Go Nagai (so you know it's tasteless).
Well, I know what I'm watching tonight.

On the topic of good recent anime, I recommend Shigurui. Dark samurai anime with brutal themes, intense duels and unnervingly detailed gore.

I prefer the manga (quicker pace, and the anime only covers the first third) but if you just want a short, nasty shot of feudal Japanese hell it should entertain. The anime's slower pace and ominous soundtrack also create an oppressively heavy atmosphere which is quite absorbing in its own right. It's virtually 1:1 to the manga, too, so the story can be resumed there with no problem.
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that is awesomez - more of a very late 80's/early 90s feel musically though, it actually has some bass in it too, so it can't truly be considered pure 80's :D

yeah I deffo intend to watch Dominion Tank Police soon, maybe after I finish Orguss...
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KAI wrote:You say that cause you don't like robots.
That's because robot shows are pretty bad. :lol:

And giant robot fans tend to watch nothing but giant robot shows, hence why they generally are the most vocal complainers about current anime. Most shows back then were just as awful as they are now, except that there was less moe and more retarded Dragon Ball clones with the power of friendship, power levels and all that stuff.

tl;dr: read manga, anime has always sucked except for two or three worthwhile shows a year. I'll concede that this year has been much worse than usual though.
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Hagane wrote: Most shows back then were just as awful as they are now, except that there was less moe and more retarded Dragon Ball clones with the power of friendship, power levels and all that stuff.
While no doubt I ain't watched as much as you, I've watched quite a lot of 80s and 90s anime at this stage, and I'm pretty sure I'm yet to experience a 'retarded Dragon Ball clone'...
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Seriously? Pretty much every single fighting shounen anime back then followed the similar archetypes. Yu Yu Hakusho, Saint Seiya, BT'X, Zenki, Kenshin, Ranma just to name a few. And there were a lot of "proto moe" series like Tenchi Muyo or Aa! Megamisama. Moe now is more prevalent, but there was a lot of fanservice heavy cutesy stuff back then too. And don't forget the magical girl shows like Sailor Moon or Card Captor Sakura.

So when I read people saying that anime from the 90s and 80s was so much better than modern anime, I can't help but laugh.
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Hagane wrote: So when I read people saying that anime from the 90s and 80s was so much better than modern anime, I can't help but laugh.
With little exception, anime has generally never aimed at being intellectual. Look at the target audience. So let's say the stories are always about the same quality. I think you will find the older crowd far more prone to enjoy hand-drawn stuff to computer generated... not to mention the style in characters to boot.

I've been waiting for the next Akira for over 20 years. I've basically finally realized it's never going to be done. Not even by Otomo. Nobody cares enough to put a decent soundtrack in an anime, for starters.
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Hagane wrote:I've been waiting for the next Akira for over 20 years. I've basically finally realized it's never going to be done.
I've heard that Otomo doesn't like at all the current situation on the industry.
He's complaining, but he's not doing anything to Reverse it.
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Hagane wrote:Seriously? Pretty much every single fighting shounen anime back then followed the similar archetypes. Yu Yu Hakusho, Saint Seiya, BT'X, Zenki, Kenshin, Ranma just to name a few. And there were a lot of "proto moe" series like Tenchi Muyo or Aa! Megamisama. Moe now is more prevalent, but there was a lot of fanservice heavy cutesy stuff back then too. And don't forget the magical girl shows like Sailor Moon or Card Captor Sakura.

So when I read people saying that anime from the 90s and 80s was so much better than modern anime, I can't help but laugh.
ok I see, I've never watched any of the above so I can't really argue with that...
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Raytrace wrote:
Hagane wrote: Most shows back then were just as awful as they are now, except that there was less moe and more retarded Dragon Ball clones with the power of friendship, power levels and all that stuff.
While no doubt I ain't watched as much as you, I've watched quite a lot of 80s and 90s anime at this stage, and I'm pretty sure I'm yet to experience a 'retarded Dragon Ball clone'...
I'm a total anime nerd0 who has seen more anime and read more manga than the average fan, and I can tell you most shows being made nowadays really, really, really suck. I'm not just talking on the thematic shift from giant robots and action-oriented stuff to emasculating "moe" trash and "kid pilot" drek. This has been brought up time and time again, including this thred - the excessive use of cheap0 CG, rotoscoping, and overall lazy productions are also a factor in why anime has declined considerably. There's also a lack of good character designs, voice acting, and music composing. As a matter of fact, I cannot name more than a few designers, seiyuu, and music composers from this current gen of works, whereas I could name a bunch of them from back then.

I have seen bits of a lot of the titles that get mentioned around here, and the only one I think I will like is Black Lagoon. The rest are way too flawed for me to enjoy watching. Oh, and Yu Yu Hakusho was a most excellent Dragon Ball Z clone. At least it is ten times better than Bleach. I'd watch that any day over anything else mentioned in this topic 8)

I'd say one word of warning about today's animu would be to see if it is something related to "Gonzo" or "Bones" - that's pretty much a warning to stop watching because it's most likely crap.
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This thread or one like it has got me infected with the Kanjite Knight song. Damn you.

I can vouch for Stein's;Gate having terrible pacing. I suggest seeking other avenues for all your Jon Titor related needs.

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Yes, MLP is porn.

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Modern animu is the EXACT equivalent of My Little Pony 8)
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xbl0x180 wrote:I have seen bits of a lot of the titles that get mentioned around here, and the only one I think I will like is Black Lagoon. The rest are way too flawed for me to enjoy watching. Oh, and Yu Yu Hakusho was a most excellent Dragon Ball Z clone. At least it is ten times better than Bleach. I'd watch that any day over anything else mentioned in this topic 8)
I guess you either have terrible taste or are too hardheaded to give the stuff mentioned here a fair chance. Mind telling me why the shows mentioned in this thread are "too flawed" and some mediocre shounen anime like Yu Yu Hakusho isn't?

PS: This scene of Moribito alone is better than the entirety of YYH.
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KAI wrote:
GaijinPunch wrote:
Hagane wrote:I've been waiting for the next Akira for over 20 years. I've basically finally realized it's never going to be done.
I've heard that Otomo doesn't like at all the current situation on the industry.
He's complaining, but he's not doing anything to Reverse it.
Indeed. NTSC-J and I looked at a clip from his upcoming short film at the Otomo Gengaten (which was dope, btw). The clip itself, was rather meh. To quote NTSC-J... "It's too clean... Give this guy a pen and paper and let him draw a manga..."
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Hagane wrote:
xbl0x180 wrote:I have seen bits of a lot of the titles that get mentioned around here, and the only one I think I will like is Black Lagoon. The rest are way too flawed for me to enjoy watching. Oh, and Yu Yu Hakusho was a most excellent Dragon Ball Z clone. At least it is ten times better than Bleach. I'd watch that any day over anything else mentioned in this topic 8)
I guess you either have terrible taste or are too hardheaded to give the stuff mentioned here a fair chance. Mind telling me why the shows mentioned in this thread are "too flawed" and some mediocre shounen anime like Yu Yu Hakusho isn't?
I'll take the Pepsi Challenge any day if it ever came down to "taste" for anything, even when and where it's a matter of opinion. It's a fact modern animu has shifted to CG, moe, fanservice, and kid pilots. It'll be like saying arcade and console shoot-'em-ups today are better than the ones from before 8)



Yu Yu Hakusho:

1. Varied theme opening and ending songs, each as catchy as the last one.
2. Hand-drawn animation.
3. Botan and the girls were drawn as "cute," but not annoyingly moe. They still retained the look of teenagers, not of pre-teens.
4. Better voice acting: Again, the female voice actresses weren't comprised of high-pitched twats.
5. While the series may sound long, it was around 96 episodes (compared to 300+ episodes of Bleach!).

The lower limit for a television series to be good should be around 26 episodes, while 52 episodes would be optimal, and 90+ would be the upper limit. This creates a more involving environment that the audience can take in and accept. The progression of drama, action, adventure, etc. passes without being abrupt, which is another flaw modern junk has due to being made in short 12-episode spurts.
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You really didn't watch anything mentioned here, did you?
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Throwing this out here since I didn't see it mentioned so far: Nichijou. Funny as hell. Maybe a bit moe, but I found it really enjoyable.
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trap15 wrote:Throwing this out here since I didn't see it mentioned so far: Nichijou. Funny as hell. Maybe a bit moe, but I found it really enjoyable.
What the hell.
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That's exactly what I mean :D
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Hagane wrote:You really didn't watch anything mentioned here, did you?
I didn't write I watched entire series, but I have seen either full or part of episodes of a lot of the stuff mentioned here. So far, only Black Lagoon looks good. I'm not going to sit through more than a full episode of FLCL or Gurren and think this crap is better than the stuff GAINAX made a decade before 8)
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Nichijou is so funny it hurts. I can lend it to you if you want Hagane.

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xbl0x180 wrote:I didn't write I watched entire series, but I have seen either full or part of episodes of a lot of the stuff mentioned here. So far, only Black Lagoon looks good. I'm not going to sit through more than a full episode of FLCL or Gurren and think this crap is better than the stuff GAINAX made a decade before 8)
Welp, I guess I was right about your taste then. If Moribito, Mononoke, Michiko to Hatchin, Kemonozume and many others are "flawed" but YYH is great and you managed to watch most of Rosario + Vampire, there's no other explanation.

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