Optoma HD3000

[fagin]

[akumajo]

Anyone tested HD3000 + PS3 @720P ?. Not working for any hdmi (1/2/3) input unless I use "From AV Receiver Input". Had same problem with a Gefen VGA DVI Scaler Plus when I tested few days ago.

Defective unit ?

[fagin]

It certainly works OK with 720p from the 360, but iirc I used the VGA connection for that. Not bothered trying it with my PS3 yet via HDMI, but can if you want me to.

I suspect Fudoh will be able to tell quicker than me as his HD3000 is out and set-up as part of his live gear.

[Fudoh]

Sorry, no, I can't access the HDMI ports. Would have to remove the Optoma from the rack which could take hours...

[akumajo]

It certainly works OK with 720p from the 360, but iirc I used the VGA connection for that. Not bothered trying it with my PS3 yet via HDMI, but can if you want me to.

I suspect Fudoh will be able to tell quicker than me as his HD3000 is out and set-up as part of his live gear.

Please try it Fagin . Most of my tests failed with this scaler so I need to be sure that is not a defective unit.

[fagin]

Just tested this....

If you want to use the switching capabilities of the HDMI side you need to connect the loop HDMI lead supplied, going from "TO AV" to "FROM AV". This then enables you to switch between the three HDMI sockets and yes, they do work with a PS3 at 720p.

[SGGG2]

If you're in the U.S and you've been looking for an Optoma, here's your chance: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Optoma-HD3000-A ... 500wt_1156

[Fudoh]

ha ha, that's cool. Me and Phil, we posted infos on the firmware upgrade on the AVS board. Must be somebody we've been in contact with, since we only mailed it out to a few people.

[SGGG2]

Phil told me all about it. He's an old friend.

C'mon people, these things don't pop up that often, snatch one up before they're gone!

[Seraphic]

C'mon people, these things don't pop up that often, snatch one up before they're gone!

Wonder if I should snag one of those Optomas or wait for the XRGB-mini FLAME MEISTER G2? Wonder which would be better for overall for progressive upscaling. Fudoh, does the Optoma down-convert bandwidth? Like if you input 24-Bit RGB 4:4:4 HDMI does the Optoma output as such over HDMI and does it have pass-thru mode? One thing I know is Optoma does not support audio while XRGB-mini (should?).

[Fudoh]

Wonder if I should snag one of those Optomas or wait for the XRGB-mini FLAME MEISTER G2? Wonder which would be better for overall for progressive upscaling.

At this price I would get an Optoma. The upscaling is unbelievably good. The Optoma is also quite fast and it has very good 480i deinterlacing. You also get 4 component inputs which is quite an argument compored to the single D-Terminal input on the XRGB-mini. It also remains to be seen how the mini performs on 480i. The Ceatec demo seems to have put a focus on 240p material (which is nice of course), but have a real edge on other processors they have to put in different processing modes. A fast single-field based mode and a 3-field pixel-adaptive video deitnerlacing mode for 480i material.

There's also no chance the Mini would be better at upscaling than the Optoma. It can get close, which would be cool, but the Optoma is perfect in this regard.

Fudoh, does the Optoma down-convert bandwidth? Like if you input 24-Bit RGB 4:4:4 HDMI does the Optoma output as such over HDMI and does it have pass-thru mode?

I don't fully understand the question, sorry. If I remember correctly the Optoma always outputs in 4:4:4 RGB all the time, no matter what the ínput is.

One thing I know is Optoma does not support audio while XRGB-mini (should?).

the XRGB will have audio processing for sure.

[Seraphic]

Ordered! Will arrive on the 28th or so. Anyway, will be using for PS1 240p from PS2 v.i component to 1080p (I think the two PS1 games I want to use this for are 240p but not sure), 480p to 1080p from PS3 v.i HDMI (yes, PS3) and 720p to 1080p from PS3/Xbox360 v.i HDMI. One side note the auction said this is a NEW but HD-3000-P unit, which means it is a locked 720p version... but he says he will be opening the "NEW" unit and upgrading the firmware to 1080p version.

[SGGG2]

Had to reset the Optoma, and now the TV won't see it...

Any suggestions?

[philexile]

Hi, yes, this is the seller that I purchased my Optoma from. She lucked out and got a number of these HD3000s brand new from a storage auction. No joke - these are in perfect, new condition. When we discovered the firmware fix, I passed it to her along with instructions so she could update the other devices as well.

For anyone considering buying: go for it. The seller is very nice and this is a rare deal.

ha ha, that's cool. Me and Phil, we posted infos on the firmware upgrade on the AVS board. Must be somebody we've been in contact with, since we only mailed it out to a few people.

[Fudoh]

Had to reset the Optoma, and now the TV won't see it..

em0ti0n had a similar problem recently. PM him. He resolved it eventually.

Anyway, will be using for PS1 240p from PS2 v.i component to 1080p

this only works properly for 30fps games like Metal Slug X. If you have 60fps game you might (depending on the game) get deinterlacing errors.

[Seraphic]

I don't know if they are 30 or 60, but if it doesn't work, I guess I could use PS3 to upscale the PS1 games to 480p over HDMI (smoothing off) -> then into Optoma for 480p to 1080p.

The Optoma HD3000 is an EoL (end of life) hardware device, correct? Too bad they never released firmware update to help correct some of the issues like 240p handling.

[SGGG2]

It turned out to be default output resolution problem, the resolution was set to some unsupported resotion which my TV was unable to handle/display.

If your Optoma's power led shines with blue color and seems to be working even though with no picture, then try to press button 'up' on the front panel. Press it a wait a few seconds, repeat this process until you get the picture. That's how I managed to get it working (kudos to Konsolkongen).

Problem solved! Thanks, guys!

[SGGG2]

Ugh, now the Optoma won't see 1080p from the Gefen... it works fine with 1080i, 1080p works with both my monitors...
The Optoma was loosing sync with the Gefen more and more, that's why I reset it. Problem is, I reset the XRGB-3 as well, who knows what odd setting was what.

[Seraphic]

Well, mine arrived. Haven't had much time to do any testing yet. Question though, does the C05 firmware not support 1080p24? It also doesn't seem to support 1280x1470. Is there a video pass-through mode or a way to output the input video unprocessed?? Also, does anyone else's HD3000 have kind of a humming noise when the menu is open?

[Seraphic]

Did some testing and here are some test caps from a PS2 game that supports 480p on PS3:
(PS3 is outputting 24bit-RGB 4:4:4 over HDMI, don't know what optoma is outputting, captured as 24bit-RGB 4:4:4.

Native 480p over HDMI from PS3 into Optoma (optoma/game set to 4:3 mode)
http://img716.imageshack.us/img716/8669/480p43.png

Native 480p over HDMI from PS3 into Optoma upscaled to 720p (optoma/game set to 16:9 mode)
http://img3.imageshack.us/img3/3073/720p169.png

Native 480p over HDMI from PS3 into Optoma upscaled to 1080p (optoma/game set to 16:9 mode)
http://img841.imageshack.us/img841/4060/1080p169.png

720p looks acceptable... but 1080p is too much I think.

Here is my capture raid array: http://img402.imageshack.us/img402/4162 ... edtest.png

[Fudoh]

Native 480p over HDMI from PS3 into Optoma (optoma/game set to 4:3 mode)
http://img716.imageshack.us/img716/8669/480p43.png

how did you capture this ? Isn't the Optoma's minimum resolution 800x600 ?

Here is my capture raid array...

which Blackmagic device do you have ?

[Seraphic]

I think my HD3000 is defective, picture keeps dropping out as seen here:
http://img411.imageshack.us/img411/3596/25144661.jpg

You can set the Optoma to output native, so even if optoma is set to 720p or 1080p, you tell it to output the native resolution (in this case 480p) and it will within that selected 720p or 1080p resolution (which is kind of cool).

Last BM product I owned was a Intensity Pro (was just using their disk speed application).
I have moved on to far better things.

Here is an Xbox360 720p game upscaled to 1080p.
http://img13.imageshack.us/img13/3940/45112778.jpg

[Fudoh]

I think my HD3000 is defective, picture keeps dropping out as seen here:

that's a HDCP error, probably not caused by the Optoma, but by your HDCP decrypter.

You can set the Optoma to output native, so even if optoma is set to 720p or 1080p, you tell it to output the native resolution (in this case 480p) and it will within that selected 720p or 1080p resolution (which is kind of cool).

ah, ok, you mean an unscaled image within the 720p/1080p output.

I have moved on to far better things.

which is ?

[Seraphic]

I think my HD3000 is defective, picture keeps dropping out as seen here:

that's a HDCP error, probably not caused by the Optoma, but by your HDCP decrypter.

Could it also be caused by a weak signal?
Or if an image from source pops up for a second then screen goes black, weak signal?

[Fudoh]

possibly. If the Optoma loses sync on the input, it probably re-initiates a HDCP handshake with the output.

What's your capture device ?

[Seraphic]

I found the Optoma to be outputting HDCP weather the source has HDCP or not...

[Seraphic]

The Optoma HD3000 is EoL (end of life) right? This means there won't be any additional firmware updates to ad 3D support for example (1280x1470) or improve 240p support (I think the two 240p games I wanted to use the 3000 are in fact 60fps? Also, does anyone know why the Optoma HD3000 adds HDCP to HDMI output if source HDMI input has no HDCP? Unless the XRGB mini somehow performs better upscaling then the 3000, I might just pick up a second hdcp stripper and see if I can resolve the hd3000's hdcp mess with two hdcp strippers rather then just one.

[SGGG2]

Yup, the HD3000 is no longer supported by Optoma. It has 1080p passthrough though, so 3D shouldn't be an issue.

[Seraphic]

Yup, the HD3000 is no longer supported by Optoma. It has 1080p passthrough though, so 3D shouldn't be an issue.

How do you activate passthrough mode? I boxed the unit up for sale because I couldn't get it working with my capture card and one hdcp stripper (as it seems the Optoma HD3000 adds HDCP to HDMI output if source HDMI input has no HDCP). As for 3D, I tried to output a 720p 3D source (1280x1470 with is beyond 1920x1080 in height), but as I recall screen was just black. Maybe I'll unbox it and try again. I so want to upscale some 720p60 games to 1080p60 and capture (but I might need a second hdcp stripper to get it working just right with my setup.

[SGGG2]

Sorry, haven't a clue. It was in one of the later firmware revisions so the manual does not reflect this.