Cave games ranked by difficulty

[CptRansom]

they're scared off by MEOWMEOWMEOWMEOWMEOWMEOWMEOWMEOWMEOWMEOWMEOWMEOWMEOWMEOWMEOWMEOWMEOWMEOWMEOW, which takes a little time to adjust to.

Fixed.

[captpain]

Uo Poko is not generally easier. It's only easier if you have the ability to play every credit extremely consistently. With a regular ship type, if something goes wrong, you can rely on a bomb; with Uo Poko, any slips mean you've got no bomb, a difficult-to-control ship, and a screen full of bullets. The boss fights (well, 3, 4, and 5) are also harder with Uo Poko.

The ship moves very quickly, requires you to point-blank loads, and has no bomb. It's harder!

edit: sikraiken, post your Dangun non-time attack scores in the Hi Scores thread, I need more motivation to keep pushing mine

[sikraiken]

It "requires" you to point-blank no more than a regular ship does. If you learn how to control Uo Poko and learn the general design of the stages, there are really only a couple of tricky spots in the game.

With a regular ship, you have more bullets to deal with. The game is actually quite lenient for a clear, anyway.

[captpain]

It "requires" you to point-blank no more than a regular ship does. If you learn how to control Uo Poko and learn the general design of the stages, there are really only a couple of tricky spots in the game.

With a regular ship, you have more bullets to deal with. The game is actually quite lenient for a clear, anyway.

Wrong on all counts except the more bullets thing, but OK. I am guilty of downplaying difficulty myself but Dangun lenient? No.

[sikraiken]

Learn2play.

[captpain]

Learn2play.

HOW DARE YOU

[moozooh]

Wheres ESP2 and Deathsmiles.

Haven't played either yet, but I'd probably put DS in the bottom group, and Espg2 in a group of its own below the Ultra modes. That's also where most of the second loops belong in general, but the only one I've ever been to is DDP's.

Uopoko is clearly harder to complete the game with

I've played the game lots during the STGT and afterwards, and while my initial disposition was towards using a normal ship to get father in the game (to score better), it became obvious to me that Uotaro is so much easier to kill enemies with there's really no contest. The main problem with him is that you have to actually learn each stage's enemy layout so that you're ready to point-blank the dangerous ones (the fast shooting enemies near the start of stage 2 come to mind). But if you do that you don't even need to dodge much, if at all. Just blow shit up and collect the discomen. Also sikraiken is right: his speed needs quite some time to get adjusted to, but the more you play the more you feel this is the "right" speed because even a normal ship with 4 seems sluggish afterwards.

Naturally, this is also the case with Futari Ultra. Stage 1 seems overwhelming at first but, once you learn where the enemies come from and point-blank them with C-shot, the screen magically becomes devoid of danger, at least enough for you to dodge the remainder confidently. (That is, until the falling rocks come…) After a couple hours of practice I can consistently get into stage 2 with spare bombs. My goal is to reach the boss by next week.

[DragonInstall]

(That is, until the falling rocks come…)

This is the main reason I cant enjoy Mushi Ultra mode. Those damn rocks.... It wouldnt be that annoying except its the first damn stage.

Also I really recommend that you try Esp II. Its region free and really fun to score or survive in.

[moozooh]

I am going to get Espg2, but later. Budget doesn't allow at this point.

I also decided to move DOJ BL and WL further down in my least seeing as I have 1-ALL'ed BL with a spare life out of the blue (it's definitely not harder than DDP, perhaps even easier) and with WL came very close to doing the same (died right before Hibachi a second away from the final score extend which would have let me cruise through the fight on bombs alone).

[Daigohji]

Guwange 360 mode is the easiest by far; it's the only Cave 1CC I have under my belt The only other I can think of that goes so easy on the player is the arrange mode in Mushi that auto-bombs when you take a hit instead of you losing a life. When I was at my best in ESPgaluda I could consistently reach the final boss's last pattern, but my eyes couldn't track all those damn overlapping horizontal bullets. Mushi Original is also pretty accessible.

The hardest I've played are Ibara, DOJ and Mushi Ultra.

[Aliquantic]

The only other I can think of that goes so easy on the player is the arrange mode in Mushi that auto-bombs when you take a hit instead of you losing a life.

Aside from the final boss, which pushes Mushi Arrange a bit higher up on the difficulty scale

[esreveR]

Ketsui

hardest

What

First loop of Ketsui is piss-easy. I actually had a hard time getting killed, and this is on Very Hard too.

Second loop is an entirely different story though.

Also might have to do with the fact I was playing DOJ on Very Hard prior.

[Paradigm]

Fuck off.

[captpain]

Ketsui

hardest

What

First loop of Ketsui is piss-easy. I actually had a hard time getting killed, and this is on Very Hard too.

Second loop is an entirely different story though.

Also might have to do with the fact I was playing DOJ on Very Hard prior.

Please post your Ura loop scores.

[sikraiken]

What

First loop of Ketsui is piss-easy. I actually had a hard time getting killed, and this is on Very Hard too.

Second loop is an entirely different story though.

Also might have to do with the fact I was playing DOJ on Very Hard prior.

http://shmups.system11.org/viewtopic.ph ... 06#p627806

You never replied to my post, esreveR.

[Vyxx]

After playing Pink Sweets a bit I'm going to throw it in the "hard as balls" category.

[david peterson]

Im impressed if anyone takes esreveR posts seriously , dude talks liek hes clover-tac level but with no evidence ever to back it up .

[sikraiken]

Im impressed if anyone takes esreveR posts seriously , dude talks liek hes clover-tac level but with no evidence ever to back it up .

Nah, definitely not serious, I just wanted to see his response since his screenshot for dangun has an impossible discoman count for the score that goes along with it. ;)

[david peterson]

haha thats brilliant .

[BIL]

When falsificare meets shitposting. Again!

[TrevHead (TVR)]

Im impressed if anyone takes esreveR posts seriously , dude talks liek hes clover-tac level but with no evidence ever to back it up .

Anyone who signs his highscores as GOD means theyre above any suspision of falsificare.

Also I love udderdude's vid, classic

[esreveR]

Ketsui

hardest

What

First loop of Ketsui is piss-easy. I actually had a hard time getting killed, and this is on Very Hard too.

Second loop is an entirely different story though.

Also might have to do with the fact I was playing DOJ on Very Hard prior.

Please post your Ura loop scores.

Didn't I just say Ura is hard as balls

Im impressed if anyone takes esreveR posts seriously , dude talks liek hes clover-tac level but with no evidence ever to back it up .

Nah, definitely not serious, I just wanted to see his response since his screenshot for dangun has an impossible discoman count for the score that goes along with it.

Well as it turns out my emulator was buggy as hell so I don't think it would count anyway.

Perhaps Ketsui is too, are you supposed to be able to dodge half the bullets by not moving at all?

[captpain]

Im impressed if anyone takes esreveR posts seriously , dude talks liek hes clover-tac level but with no evidence ever to back it up .

Nah, definitely not serious, I just wanted to see his response since his screenshot for dangun has an impossible discoman count for the score that goes along with it.

Well as it turns out my emulator was buggy as hell so I don't think it would count anyway.

Perhaps Ketsui is too, are you supposed to be able to dodge half the bullets by not moving at all?

Do you think people actually buy your total bullshit or is this account an elaborate troll? Honestly.

[esreveR]

Well as it turns out my emulator was buggy as hell so I don't think it would count anyway.

Perhaps Ketsui is too, are you supposed to be able to dodge half the bullets by not moving at all?

Do you think people actually buy your total bullshit or is this account an elaborate troll? Honestly.

Well, I've never played Ketsui in an arcade. I'm not really sure if you're supposed to, say, pass through Sphinx's enclosure attack three times in a row. I thought it was just tiny hit centers and dumb luck, and I had gotten to Stage 4 without dying on my first playthrough before I asked myself, "Is it supposed to be that way?"

Also, it seems that crashing into enemies does no damage to them, since I crashed into a mook copter twice on accident and it still didn't blow up. I still just wrote it off as "CAVE meant it that way", since MAME says the only thing not perfectly emulated is the sound.

And Dangun has this weird issue with the ships going extremely fast at the beginning of a stage before slowing down. And Uo Poko has different speeds for every level, and etc. etc., I don't know if that's supposed to happen or not.

[david peterson]

0/10

[captpain]

Well as it turns out my emulator was buggy as hell so I don't think it would count anyway.

Perhaps Ketsui is too, are you supposed to be able to dodge half the bullets by not moving at all?

Do you think people actually buy your total bullshit or is this account an elaborate troll? Honestly.

Well, I've never played Ketsui in an arcade. I'm not really sure if you're supposed to, say, pass through Sphinx's enclosure attack three times in a row. I thought it was just tiny hit centers and dumb luck.

Also, it seems that crashing into enemies does no damage to them, since I crashed into a mook copter twice on accident and it still didn't blow up. I still just wrote it off as "CAVE meant it that way", since MAME says the only thing not perfectly emulated is the sound.

And Dangun has this weird issue with the ships going extremely fast at the beginning of a stage before slowing down. And Uo Poko has different speeds for every level, and etc. etc., I don't know if that's supposed to happen or not.

If these were actually points of confusion, 10 seconds and a Youtube search could have answered them for you. You're a boring troll or a compulsive liar.

[NR777]

Holy shit. This is hilarious. "I can haz close to WR level scorez! Uh, wait, MAMEFail! Muh baaadddd! But srsly, guyz, Ketsui is pussy shit."

EDIT: It just got even funnier. Wow.

[esreveR]

Holy shit. This is hilarious. "I can haz close to WR level scorez! Uh, wait, MAMEFail! Muh baaadddd! But srsly, guyz, Ketsui is pussy shit."

EDIT: It just got even funnier. Wow.

I can't be the only one who thinks the emulation of Ketsui has issues. I mean, didn't someone say that about ESPGaluda as well? And one of my friends said Ketsui felt weird too.

And I will never argue that Ura loop is easy. Ever.

[NR777]

Ketsui feels fine to me, dude. Took me around three weeks of solid play to reach the 1-4 boss. I'm using ShmupMAME 2.2.

[esreveR]

Ketsui feels fine to me, dude. Took me around three weeks of solid play to reach the 1-4 boss. I'm using ShmupMAME 2.2.

Weird, I'm using the same one. Though of course Stage 1-4 ramps up the difficulty significantly.

Can anyone try going through the first stage without any input and see how far they get, since I accidentally had it happen once and only died when I got to the big silver planes' second attack (The pink bullet spreads). Player 1 I think.