Have a little sympathy for us European Xbox360 owners

msm · Post by **msm** » Tue Jun 23, 2009 8:59 am

i think i already explained my argument for owning a pal 360 quite well, the games especially are much cheaper if you wait a while, anyway i own both asian and uk 360's and am happy with that, i'd go out and get another pal machine straight away if mine broke, and i don't think that makes me dumb

MADEIRA STEVE88 · Post by **MADEIRA STEVE88** » Tue Jun 23, 2009 12:04 pm

Everyone in the UK please send 505 Games a message using there online contact us section.

Click Here for Contact 505 Games

They still haven't replied back to me, we need to let them know we want Raiden Fighters Aces and Raiden IV over here in the UK.

TodayIsForgotten · Post by **TodayIsForgotten** » Tue Jun 23, 2009 1:29 pm

msm wrote:
Elixir wrote:No sympathy for those dumb enough to still be buying PAL consoles (PS3 excluded).
if your only playing shooters that's fine, but if you play lots of other games then it's a good idea to have a console from your region - cheap and easily available console and games, and with the poor reliability of the 360 you don't want to put any un-nessesary strain on an NTSC-J one.

Agreed and disagreed. I think the whole unreliability thing with the 360 is more user error than not. Thats not to say there aren't legitimate reasons for RROD or other failures for hardware.

I see these statements all the time. I've owned 3 xboxs, that have great ventilation and aren't in tight spaces. Never an issue with any of them. My j360 is on more hours than it needs to be and of course after i typed this it will fail on me.

On-the-other hand, I can't play forza on my j360 and i'm not spending overseas bucks to purchase the j360 version ( if there is one), so yes, having 2 consoles is beneficial if you want to play certain titles from both regions.

E. Randy Dupre · Post by **E. Randy Dupre** » Tue Jun 23, 2009 1:53 pm

You can give up on 505 Games. They cut their operation right back at the beginning of this hardware generation, for some reason.

A shame, because they were previously a decent company - published a lot of niche gams over here. They've gone to shit in the interim.

E. Randy Dupre · Post by **E. Randy Dupre** » Tue Jun 23, 2009 1:55 pm

TodayIsForgotten wrote:Agreed and disagreed. I think the whole unreliability thing with the 360 is more user error than not.

We've been over this before and I'm afraid that you're simply wrong on that count.

Elixir · Post by **Elixir** » Tue Jun 23, 2009 3:02 pm

msm wrote:i think i already explained my argument for owning a pal 360 quite well, the games especially are much cheaper if you wait a while, anyway i own both asian and uk 360's and am happy with that, i'd go out and get another pal machine straight away if mine broke, and i don't think that makes me dumb

This post is just weird. You didn't explain yourself at all.

PAL games aren't cheap when they're new, and there isn't much point in purchasing them when they aren't. Also, they're released LAST, and often are region free, or work with JP consoles. So there isn't really any point in owning a PAL 360 in any form.

mr_m0nks · Post by **mr_m0nks** » Tue Jun 23, 2009 3:33 pm

unless you live in a PAL territory.

I'm sorry but even if all Japanese games came with a full English option I would argue that importing games from the other side of the planet is far from sensible or economical.

Unless of course you are a complete Jgame fanboy in which case good luck to ya.

oh and do games have an expiry date? I wasn't aware of that one.

Elixir · Post by **Elixir** » Tue Jun 23, 2009 3:38 pm

Asian versions come out sooner, are cheaper, and usually have English. This isn't up for debate.

msm · Post by **msm** » Tue Jun 23, 2009 3:51 pm

Elixir wrote:
msm wrote:i think i already explained my argument for owning a pal 360 quite well, the games especially are much cheaper if you wait a while, anyway i own both asian and uk 360's and am happy with that, i'd go out and get another pal machine straight away if mine broke, and i don't think that makes me dumb
This post is just weird. You didn't explain yourself at all.

PAL games aren't cheap when they're new, and there isn't much point in purchasing them when they aren't. Also, they're released LAST, and often are region free, or work with JP consoles. So there isn't really any point in owning a PAL 360 in any form.

if the fact that the game and consoles are both much cheaper isn't a good explanation then i haven't got an explanaton at all. even brand new games are about £10 cheaper than importing at the moment - well maybe not asian releases.

why do people buy radiant silvergun, or ketsui? they aren't new. are you telling me you only buy games that have just been released? i do find that a bit strange.

you have a point about the delays though, occasionally there is a delay for pal releases and it can be annoying but it's not usually bad at all for the major games these days. the last big delay i remember was the first rock band - 6 months maybe? but iirc thats not even out in japan at all?

MathU · Post by **MathU** » Tue Jun 23, 2009 3:51 pm

dcharlie wrote:
I'm still waiting for Gradius Rebirth to appear on european Wii-ware. What's up, Konami?
um - i wouldn't get to excited about Rebirth if i were you.

"Turd sandwich" is one description i heard but i feel that's somewhat unfair on turd sandwiches.

I think it's a load of fun.

MADEIRA STEVE88 · Post by **MADEIRA STEVE88** » Tue Jun 23, 2009 4:43 pm

well the xbox 360 arcade with Raiden IV comes up to £279 that including UPS shipping to the UK. A bit too much from what i was willing to pay for.

bkk · Post by **bkk** » Tue Jun 23, 2009 5:09 pm

MADEIRA STEVE88 wrote:well the xbox 360 arcade with Raiden IV comes up to £279 that including UPS shipping to the UK. A bit too much from what i was willing to pay for.

Are you trying to say you won't be importing an X360?

emphatic · Post by **emphatic** » Tue Jun 23, 2009 5:11 pm

Also, it seems that the Arcade version of the 360 is now out of print/cancelled in Japan. You'll have to get the Elite unit.

MADEIRA STEVE88 · Post by **MADEIRA STEVE88** » Tue Jun 23, 2009 5:25 pm

bkk wrote:
MADEIRA STEVE88 wrote:well the xbox 360 arcade with Raiden IV comes up to £279 that including UPS shipping to the UK. A bit too much from what i was willing to pay for.
Are you trying to say you won't be importing an X360?

Yep i was put off by the price.

bkk · Post by **bkk** » Tue Jun 23, 2009 5:26 pm

MADEIRA STEVE88 wrote:
bkk wrote:
MADEIRA STEVE88 wrote:well the xbox 360 arcade with Raiden IV comes up to £279 that including UPS shipping to the UK. A bit too much from what i was willing to pay for.
Are you trying to say you won't be importing an X360?
Yep i was put off by the price.

Gotcha, thanks for the clarification.

MADEIRA STEVE88 · Post by **MADEIRA STEVE88** » Tue Jun 23, 2009 5:36 pm

it annoying that the 2 shooters that i wanted to play the most was raiden fighters aces and raiden IV, both getting NA published but for some reason us in the UK dont get anything.

505 Games get up off your ass and publish these!

Elixir · Post by **Elixir** » Tue Jun 23, 2009 5:36 pm

msm wrote:why do people buy radiant silvergun, or ketsui?

Because they're massively overpriced and thus are desirable to everyone and anyone, even if they have little to no interest in them at all. See also: Taroumaru

If Guwange was selling for $900, everyone would want that.

Taylor · Post by **Taylor** » Tue Jun 23, 2009 6:42 pm

Just buy a JP360, mate. If you can't afford it you'll just have to wait. Posting here isn't going to achieve anything, least of all sympathy.

jonny5 · Post by **jonny5** » Tue Jun 23, 2009 7:06 pm

MADEIRA STEVE88 wrote:it annoying that the 2 shooters that i wanted to play the most was raiden fighters aces and raiden IV, both getting NA published but for some reason us in the UK dont get anything.

505 Games get up off your ass and publish these!

is another region license really worth the few dozen copies they will likely sell?

probably not

import or quit whining....if you want to play it that bad it shouldnt even be an issue.....

PC Engine Fan X! · Post by **PC Engine Fan X!** » Tue Jun 23, 2009 10:43 pm

Elixir wrote:
msm wrote:why do people buy radiant silvergun, or ketsui?
Because they're massively overpriced and thus are desirable to everyone and anyone, even if they have little to no interest in them at all. See also: Taroumaru

If Guwange was selling for $900, everyone would want that.

Except that a barebones Cave Guwange PCB goes for about $500-$550 USD nowdays. Ain't exactly chmup change these days either. ^_~

PC Engine Fan X! ^_~

E. Randy Dupre · Post by **E. Randy Dupre** » Tue Jun 23, 2009 11:13 pm

MADEIRA STEVE88 wrote:505 Games get up off your ass and publish these!

Are you even reading the replies in this thread?

msm · Post by **msm** » Tue Jun 23, 2009 11:50 pm

Elixir wrote:
msm wrote:why do people buy radiant silvergun, or ketsui?
Because they're massively overpriced and thus are desirable to everyone and anyone, even if they have little to no interest in them at all. See also: Taroumaru

If Guwange was selling for $900, everyone would want that.

um yeah, that has nothing to do with my point. the point is that they are old and people still buy them.

ChurchOfSolipsism · Post by **ChurchOfSolipsism** » Wed Jun 24, 2009 12:13 am

max.faraday wrote:Well, all you have to do is go on a trip to japan and bring back a 360 for 150E.

That's what i have done.

Okay there's the cost of the trip but it sure is a nice place to visit.

Dale · Post by **Dale** » Wed Jun 24, 2009 12:43 am

originalz wrote:
Dale wrote: I'm getting a mod chip for my US 360 that you can turn off when you play your US games online so you don't get your gold revoked. These are out there and they're a lot cheaper then getting a Japanese 360 just so you guys know.
360 mod chips won't let you play games of a different region.

It can back up games. I don't see why it wouldn't. This thing I'm using is very new.

mr_m0nks · Post by **mr_m0nks** » Wed Jun 24, 2009 12:38 pm

Oooh yeah I'm sensing the love here for fellow gamers

Elixir · Post by **Elixir** » Wed Jun 24, 2009 1:09 pm

msm wrote:um yeah, that has nothing to do with my point. the point is that they are old and people still buy them.

Ketsui can only be played via arcade and RSG through a JP Saturn, so you're not going to be wondering whether you'll be wanting to purchase a PAL or JP system for it or not.

98% of PAL 360 games are region free. Means they will work on a JP 360. This isn't the case for most JP titles, which aren't region free, and can only be played on JP 360s.

Basically this entire thread is full of people that are either too poor to afford, already own a PAL 360 and are butthurt over the region locking, or don't want x game badly enough to import a 360. Either do something about it or stop whining.

(If you want a list of shit that's region locked, check my guide in hardware)

neorichieb1971 · Post by **neorichieb1971** » Wed Jun 24, 2009 2:00 pm

Its worth noting you'll likely get your money back from any game that has a high price tag. From experience i've certainly achieved that anyway.

The problem with region locking is just the fact that you need two pieces of the same hardware that do exactly the same thing. If you do that, you have gotten around the region protection system. So in theory region locking is just a deterrent that will never work for those that can afford it.

If you can't afford it or justify it, the region locking system has prevented you playing that game. More often than not, thats one less sale the company making the game would have made.

In the case of shmups, its my opinion region locking does more harm than good.

msm · Post by **msm** » Wed Jun 24, 2009 2:01 pm

Elixir wrote:
msm wrote:um yeah, that has nothing to do with my point. the point is that they are old and people still buy them.
Ketsui can only be played via arcade and RSG through a JP Saturn, so you're not going to be wondering whether you'll be wanting to purchase a PAL or JP system for it or not.

98% of PAL 360 games are region free. Means they will work on a JP 360. This isn't the case for most JP titles, which aren't region free, and can only be played on JP 360s.

(If you want a list of shit that's region locked, check my guide in hardware)

seems like we're going to have to agree to disagree, you think buying a pal 360 is dumb, and i don't.

however i am interested in where you get this info: "98% of PAL 360 games are region free" ? i'm not disagreeing with it as i have no idea, the list on play-asia hardly has any pal games listed though.

Post by **Ghegs** » Wed Jun 24, 2009 2:13 pm

msm wrote:however i am interested in where you get this info: "98% of PAL 360 games are region free" ? i'm not disagreeing with it as i have no idea, the list on play-asia hardly has any pal games listed though.

There's another list available here. It doesn't have the newest titles and I'm not sure if it's even updated anymore, but it's something at least. After a quick look I'd say maybe 70% of the PAL games listed there are playable on a japanese console.

msm · Post by **msm** » Wed Jun 24, 2009 2:35 pm

Ghegs wrote:There's another list available here.

thanks for the link

lots more pal ones on there than play-asia at least.