I Have Broken a ARCADIA/Gamest Record!

[P_HAT]

Holy crap, awesome work!

[Smraedis]

If you ain't Japanese, you ain't gettin' in.

That's the general rule anyhow. :p

And if you are Japanese, you can't get a "World Record"


I've done a very small amount of practice on the Expert course, and I already believe I can beat the record on that difficulty too.

[VorpalEdge]

there are some excellent chinese players out there as well who never get listed in arcadia. because ... well ... they're chinese :?

Do you have any links to records of their accomplishments or videos or something like that? I'd love to see new stuff.

[Koa Zo]

Holy trigger-finger, Batman!

[Skykid]

there are some excellent chinese players out there as well who never get listed in arcadia. because ... well ... they're chinese

Do you have any links to records of their accomplishments or videos or something like that? I'd love to see new stuff.

They're absolute demons on King of Fighters.

[NTSC-J]

did Necronopticous beat the Strikers '99 WR?

Not even close. I think I'm the first white guy to get the 2-ALL...

Actually, Bern-D aka Bernard Doria aka BER beat it a few years ago with the X-36, if memory serves.

[GaijinPunch]

If you ain't Japanese, you ain't gettin' in.
That's the general rule anyhow. :p

Going to have to RTFM you on that one.

[doctorx0079]

If you ain't Japanese, you ain't gettin' in.
That's the general rule anyhow. :p

Going to have to RTFM you on that one.

Just curious, where's the M?

[BER]

Smraedis, I enjoyed your replay! How much does luck play a role in your record?


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did Necronopticous beat the Strikers '99 WR?

Not even close. I think I'm the first white guy to get the 2-ALL...

Actually, Bern-D aka Bernard Doria aka BER beat it a few years ago with the X-36, if memory serves.

I'm not white. :)

Anyway, I cleared Strikers 1999 sometime in October 30, 2004, but the extend setting was set at 800,000, not the default 600,000. Also, I think Wen from Hawaii cleared it sometime in 2003. Back then, when I wanted to know whether I was the first American to clear the game, I found his website, and his score was on there, but I don't remember the URL.

[Necronopticous]

I cleared Strikers 1999 sometime in October 30, 2004, but the extend setting was set at 800,000, not the default 600,000.

Awesome. What was your score like? It sounds like you used to play it exclusively in the arcade back then. Do you still play at all?

[fizz]

Great run man.
Now come to Japan and play it in proper arcade with proper setting.
You'll get be listed and published.

[jpj]

there are some excellent chinese players out there as well who never get listed in arcadia. because ... well ... they're chinese

Do you have any links to records of their accomplishments or videos or something like that? I'd love to see new stuff.

i'm too lazy to find links, but BLK beat the metal slug 3 WR but didn't get listed because he's chinese one of the top DFK players is also chinese if i remember rightly

[Twiddle]

If you ain't Japanese, you ain't gettin' in.
That's the general rule anyhow. :p

Going to have to RTFM you on that one.

IIRC you just have to set the score on an arcade in Japan, doesn't matter if you're japanese or not

[Neon]

I've never even heard of this gaim before, i'll have to try it out

congrats

[BER]

I cleared Strikers 1999 sometime in October 30, 2004, but the extend setting was set at 800,000, not the default 600,000.

Awesome. What was your score like? It sounds like you used to play it exclusively in the arcade back then. Do you still play at all?

My personal best is 2,236,000 -- lower than yours. I played this game at UC Berkeley's now-defunct arcade, and it was there for only a semester. I don't play it anymore, and I doubt I'll ever play it again.

[Skykid]

If you ain't Japanese, you ain't gettin' in.
That's the general rule anyhow. :p

Going to have to RTFM you on that one.

Ha ha! Sorry, there are some who have successfully penetrated the society and pillaged the women. Damned tourists just won't leave.

[spadgy]

If you ain't Japanese, you ain't gettin' in.
That's the general rule anyhow. :p

Going to have to RTFM you on that one.

Ha ha! Sorry, there are some who have successfully penetrated the society and pillaged the women. Damned tourists just won't leave.

Good short comedy skit on the word pillage here. Check out the other little 3 minute Soapbox skits there too.

[GaijinPunch]

Going to have to RTFM you on that one.

Just curious, where's the M?

Right after the F.

IIRC you just have to set the score on an arcade in Japan, doesn't matter if you're japanese or not

You have to beat it at an affiliated arcade... not just any old one. The arcade turns in your score -- not you. They will not recognize replays (even video). Obviously there is something to be said about a score being broken in an arcade versus a home. Even so, it's quite a feat, and I don't meant to take away from it.

Ha ha! Sorry, there are some who have successfully penetrated the society and pillaged the women. Damned tourists just won't leave.

Wha...?

[Skykid]

So does that mean anyone can attempt to break a record in the right arcade then?

That's pretty damn cool - have any non-Japanese managed to permeate the scoreboards as of yet? I reckon we should pitch in and get smraedis to Japan to do his thing on Point Blank.

@GP - Sorry mate, an attempt at reverse humour that lacks clarity. I do believe there's some perception of foreigners doing a lot of pillaging once they arrive in Japan (especially those in search of turning a profit in Akihabara )

On a similar note, foreign English teachers do bloody well don't they? My work colleague has just landed a job in Fukushima and he's being paid £2600 per month and his monthly accomodation is £150.

Lucky git.

[Ed Oscuro]

I think some Led Zeppelin is in order.

[jpj]

You have to beat it at an affiliated arcade... not just any old one. The arcade turns in your score -- not you. They will not recognize replays (even video).

a couple of scores have been done by video/dvd submission and some from home players as well

and yes, if it wasn't completely obvious i was talking about them recognising scores from china/korea. not chinese/koreans playing in japanese arcades. i thought that would've gone without saying

by and large an arcadia record is the WR, but there are exceptions

[fizz]

You have to beat it at an affiliated arcade... not just any old one. The arcade turns in your score -- not you. They will not recognize replays (even video).

a couple of scores have been done by video/dvd submission and some from home players as well

No way, They never accept video/dvd/home port/ or whatever.
Only scores from affiliated arcade were accepted.
One exception is scores from non-affiliated arcade. in this case you had to write up a postcard inside mag with stamp or sign of arcade staff as a witness then post it back to Gamest/Arcadia.
(due to mag has been changed and decreasing of arcades etc, it has been swapped with downloadable PDF though)
To prevent cheating, if they found unnatural scores, the player will be asked about some score-ing points by phone.

You can see their rules on their website.

And who the hell start saying Arcadia list is WR, it's nothing but a high-score list of Japanese domestic ARCADE.
Those "If you aint Japanese~ " thingy is getting really annoying.

[Skykid]

And who the hell start saying Arcadia list is WR, it's nothing but a high-score list of domestic Japanese ARCADE.
Those "If you aint Japanese~ " thingy is getting really annoying.

This does make sense actually. I don't suppose Arcadia expects anyone outside of Japan to recognise their scores as the benchmark - they're only concerned about who holds the record domestically.
I'm sure China/Korea have their own high profile lists printed somewhere (some of which may indeed outrank the Arcadia ones.)

It's a shame the west's arcade scene is six feet under, or perhaps we'd have a gaming culture/publication that promoted scoring records and the like.

[FIL]

Whether or not they expect anyone outside of Japan to recognise their scores, they're still considerably higher than a certain organisation that does claim to be the keeper of world records.

[croikle]

It's a shame the west's arcade scene is six feet under, or perhaps we'd have a gaming culture/publication that promoted scoring records and the like.

We do have Twin Galaxies (lol)

Are there better Japanese scores for early 80s games, or are those TG records the best out there?

[PC Engine Fan X!]

It's a shame the west's arcade scene is six feet under, or perhaps we'd have a gaming culture/publication that promoted scoring records and the like.

We do have Twin Galaxies (lol)

Are there better Japanese scores for early 80s games, or are those TG records the best out there?

Twin Galaxies would go to Japan to verify certain arcade game high scores there back in the 1980s. You'd have to ask Walter Day about this issue of what was used to keep track of worldwide arcade game scores back in the early 1980s. ^_~

Just out of curiousity, what is the Arcadia WR for Namco's Klax arcade puzzler upright cabinet? (It was Namco who handled the Japanese distribution of Atari Games' Klax PCB kits back in 1990. At first, the Japanese didn't want to be associated with Klax since the name sounded alot like the drug Crack(s) but eventually persuaded them to import it there and the rest is pure arcade puzzler gaming history.) ^_~

PC Engine Fan X! ^_~

[jpj]

You have to beat it at an affiliated arcade... not just any old one. The arcade turns in your score -- not you. They will not recognize replays (even video).

a couple of scores have been done by video/dvd submission and some from home players as well

No way, They never accept video/dvd/home port/ or whatever.

i don't mean home port, but rather players who own the pcb and play at home. the dai-ou-jou black label records, one of the battle garegga records, i'm sure there's others. perhaps they also do a referee/witness like you say and i'm sure some of the INH/cave dvd scores were not listed until the dvds were released (and i don't imagine the players hired for those dvds were playing in a public arcade - you can see this in the raiden 3 dvd)

[fizz]

i don't mean home port, but rather players who own the pcb and play at home. the dai-ou-jou black label records, one of the battle garegga records, i'm sure there's others. perhaps they also do a referee/witness like you say and i'm sure some of the INH/cave dvd scores were not listed until the dvds were released (and i don't imagine the players hired for those dvds were playing in a public arcade - you can see this in the raiden 3 dvd)

Are you REALLY sure about that? Then these play-at-home scores have to be deleted with shame.
Tell me which scores if you can list up, you don't need to hurry. I just wanna talk about that with my friends especially Garegga.

We don't take home-score as a legit but if he trained with his own PCB and played it in arcade, it's legit score for sure.
These top player's community is really small, they know outline of who/when/where they play each other.
And their main goal is "Achieve scores in arcade" and that is their pride.

And players who hired for DVD have a some kind of contract about posting scores of that game.
Arika won't allowed players to post scores while(and after) making DOJ DVD since they borrow special PCBs from cave that have extra features (maybe something like no-death, pause, stage select or such) to help taking videos and training.
This is why there are no newer scores of DOJ or Garuda1 from those players.
But in Ketsui DVD, TAC broke the rule and posted scores to Gamest. Many claims blowout and the score was removed, at last Arika canned DVD release itself.
Dunno how that works on INH or raiden3 though. but if they played in arcade with normal PCB, it should be treated as a legit score regardless recording DVD or not.
But I think the reason why they didn't submit the scores until DVD release is they wanted to keep score secret. like Arika did in DOJ.

*You can read about PCBs they use on DOJ at Famitsu interview.
http://www.famitsu.com/game/serial/1138966_1152.html

*You can read about fake-score and cheating on Wikipedia jp article.
http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E3%82%A6% ... 3%E3%82%A2

*You can read about TAC's case on various website.


Anyway, sorry for hijacking thread, congrats again Smraedis keep it up.

[jpj]

the raiden 3 dvd has a double-play mode and they have cameras on the player himself sat at the cabinet (from the side, and one with a view of his hands), and you can see that it is not in an arcade. and i imagine that is how these super-play dvds from INH and cave are produced: they provide the players with a cab in an environment where they can play many hours a day uninterupted, and pay them for their time. take into account that a lot of these dvds have deadlines, and only limited time is available. and i think the scores are not submitted simply because the players are always trying their hardest for a better score right up until the deadline.

the DOJ black label player, HFD, even shows his home supergun setup in the booklet that came with the recent dvd. personally, i do not understand the importance of distinguishing between playing in an arcade or playing at home, and why that would make a difference

[GaijinPunch]

and i don't imagine the players hired for those dvds were playing in a public arcade

They are generally played in a game center or a special room prepared by the producer of the DVD. The DOJ BL was a special case (which is why it got a special mention).

i do not understand the importance of distinguishing between playing in an arcade or playing at home, and why that would make a difference

Have you ever played in an arcade? Who has the advantage: the person why can reset whenver he wants, never wait in line, and completely control his surroundings. Or the guy in the smoke-filled, LOUD arcade, and has to get up when each credit is over... no matter how bad he fucks it up.

Arika won't allowed players to post scores while(and after) making DOJ DVD since they borrow special PCBs from cave

Where was this mentioned? Definitely not in the DOJ interview. They said that one of the 2 PCBs they borrowed for the recording (which were set the same) was NOT the released version. Thus the video had to be scrapped. If you read another 1-page quick interview with IKD somewhere at ... uh... I forgot (but it's online), you'll see IKD saying a memory as a developer that sticks out is, "due to my clumsiness, the DOJ video had to be scrapped". 5 sheckles says this was it.

For the Cave-sponosred releases, they used a stock PCB: no more, no less. I think it's safe to say that TAC and others don't submit more scores b/c by the time their scores are broken, they've moved on to the next game.

And back to the "world record" semantics - that is an English coined phrase. In Arcadia, it's simply the "High Score Table". It's a Japanese publication so... guess what arcades they gather data from?