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Ed Oscuro wrote: Also, there was some mod (UT3?) of NAZIS & DINOSAURS released (!) recently out of the blue, haven't tried it out yet.
It's a mod for Half-Life 2, I think it specifically uses the Episode 2 engine.

I tried out the alpha release a month or so ago. The concept was great, and fighting with raptors is a blast, but this mod is the first ever made by the creator and it shows in the level design/geometry and glitches. It's not difficult to get stuck in world geometry, and where you are supposed to go next isn't always evident. Still, I'll get around to trying the full mod (which is out, I believe) after my finals are finished this week.
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From that 2006 thread someone linked to:
I've heard it will be Q4 of '06 or Q1 of '07

So its a long long wait my friend.
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Fwiw, a friend of mine is part of the Black Mesa team and the project is still very much alive.

I'm still hopeful it'll be released this year but that is purely my own speculative guess and not based on any hard facts from the team.
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I kind of laugh at these really long projects that take so long getting made that I end up playing through every top-tier shooter made before they're announced. Hopefully it's still as relevant as was promised when it was announced...I don't see the new material replacing the original HL1 and especially the modding scene, though that was never the intention. I'm just hoping it's not like going back into the dark history of shooters to play it.
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So, it would seem that this is the most recent BM update at the site.
The HL monsters enhanced with Xmas decorations and some balls hanging from the Youtube video! :mrgreen:

http://www.blackmesasource.com/

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But no wait!
There are also these leaked shots... ;)

http://imgur.com/a/F09qT/black_mesa_sou ... ns_part_33
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That totally doesn't look dated at all.
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Ed Oscuro wrote:"Kotaku is a steaming pile" - Me (sanctioned by myself)

That totally doesn't look dated at all.
Kotaku...? Where did you read that?

No it does not look dated, but for how long?
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"Black Mesa is some hot shit" - kotaku.com

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oh yeah, silly me for not noticing... this kotaku.com does not look too famous to me., so why should their opinion carry any authority concerning BM? ;)
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Favorite series of all time. If Duke Nukem Forever can happen so can this. Now, what I want even more is They Hunger 2 to be finished. Shame the duder is deathly ill, and it'll probably never happen.
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ST Dragon wrote:No it does not look dated, but for how long?
All the original screenshots I'd seen made it look like the Holy Shit This is Half-Life 2 Style Glafix Versan and it turns out to just be a HD content remake.

The original hasn't aged that badly. Now, it's not bad-looking, like many of the HD content packs out there which are indeed atrocious (i.e. most "high res" tilesets or texture packs out there) but I'm not seeing stuff that, at a quick glance, makes it look much different from the original. There's a shot of what looks kinda like the laser mirror puzzle room from Opposing Force (which is of course a room in the original), with the machine partially suspended from the ceiling - I can tell it has more curves, and the monitor elements look more distinct, that's about it.

But all my bitching aside, I will love them forever if they keep the silly '50s scifi feeling to most of the computers with reel-to-reel tape and the scientists who just about wear hornrimmed glasses. '60s computing was more colorful and sleek than even Half-Life's computers (even some IBM stuff) which mainly seem modeled off Korean War-ish military radio equipment.
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Those leaked images came from at least three months ago and the guys on the team have stated they don't feel it's composed of release quality work. Still, what I see is pretty impressive for something people have done in their spare time, for no pay and no expected rewards.
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Well, you can say that about any top-tier mod...and most of them are new level designs too! Almost all done in peoples' spare time.
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Ed Oscuro wrote:
ST Dragon wrote:No it does not look dated, but for how long?
All the original screenshots I'd seen made it look like the Holy Shit This is Half-Life 2 Style Glafix Versan and it turns out to just be a HD content remake.

The original hasn't aged that badly. Now, it's not bad-looking, like many of the HD content packs out there which are indeed atrocious (i.e. most "high res" tilesets or texture packs out there) but I'm not seeing stuff that, at a quick glance, makes it look much different from the original. There's a shot of what looks kinda like the laser mirror puzzle room from Opposing Force (which is of course a room in the original), with the machine partially suspended from the ceiling - I can tell it has more curves, and the monitor elements look more distinct, that's about it.

But all my bitching aside, I will love them forever if they keep the silly '50s scifi feeling to most of the computers with reel-to-reel tape and the scientists who just about wear hornrimmed glasses. '60s computing was more colorful and sleek than even Half-Life's computers (even some IBM stuff) which mainly seem modeled off Korean War-ish military radio equipment.
Actually these leaked shots don't look half that bad and are vastly superior to the original HL (Especially the character models which looked lame even for 1999 standards). It certainly doesn’t look like a HD content remake and by the way, what HD content packs are you referring too?
However the official trailer did look better than these shots.

At another forum, a member mentioned some crazy stuff about the BM devs being furious with one of their community members releasing some older poorer shots and they supposedly stated that if any one releases any information about the game, videos, screenshots, etc... said they won't release it and close the project down.
Also, at this time, everyone who saw the screenshots commented they looked like total garbage to what they expect. The Team said these were out-dated, months old shots, but people continued to rail on them.

So, it was implied that they did not feel motivated to complete a free modification that takes as much, or even more, than most retail games when everybody was bitching about it.

But I say all that is a load of non-sense. No one would scrap so many years of work just because of some leaked photos. They might have scrapped it for many other reasons (lack of interest, motivation, time constrains, real life matters, etc...), but not this.

I still believe it’s not out because they're looking forward in making some deal with Valve and releasing it commercially through Steam, no matter their announced so called "ethics" and “principles".
Money is money!

And here are all the rest of the leaked shots:

http://imgur.com/a/HYO2b/black_mesa_sou ... ns_part_13

http://imgur.com/a/NMd1o/black_mesa_sou ... ns_part_23
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It would seem that one of the Devs posted this at their forum:
http://forums.blackmesasource.com/showt ... gs&page=11
Originally Posted by Raminator
We weren't able to keep up the pace to finish the game for our 2009 deadline, mostly due to family/work/school commitments. We've been using the extra time since then to improve the mod, reworking large segments of it, going over a lot of the core stuff; all on a smaller team than before. There's not a lot left to go, we're basically just fixing and improving things.
But still we can't be too optimistic... re-working / improving large segments sounds very generic without a specific deadline...
So even that could take ages with their pace...
2 years is a considerable amount of time to complete the "Not a lot left" imo...
Well, we'll just have to see how much time it takes from this point on then... ;)

We'll see.
I still vote for a Steam commercial release.
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hi I've never played any half-life game but I've recently seen some vids and would like to play these.

can someone answer these questions for me please:

1)should I do all the episodes in the order?
2)I understand half-life source is HF1 with better graphics?should I rather look at this one or play the original?
3)Do people still play online modes?
4)should I buy the game from steam and if yes can you play it without being online,and can you install the game on multiple computers?(I plan to change computer).

ps:sorry for the off topic but can't feel like creating a thread only for that.
also looking forwards this black mesa remake.
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Haha, I like how the "recent" events on that screenshot at the end of the previous page are from a year ago. Hope this gets released after all, because goddamn I was pumped about this mod four years ago.
Aguraki wrote:should I do all the episodes in the order?
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Aguraki wrote:I understand half-life source is HF1 with better graphics?should I rather look at this one or play the original?
Unless you get it for free as a part of the Orange Box, I say don't bother. It doesn't really have better graphics, just better physics. Models and textures are barely different, if at all. The original version is more coherent at least.
Aguraki wrote:should I buy the game from steam and if yes can you play it without being online,and can you install the game on multiple computers?
I think so, yes. Steam users usually can install games to whatever computers they're on, aren't they?
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moozooh wrote:Unless you get it for free as a part of the Orange Box, I say don't bother. It doesn't really have better graphics, just better physics. Models and textures are barely different, if at all. The original version is more coherent at least.
The Orange Box doesn't come with any version of Half-Life 1.
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Aguraki wrote:should I buy the game from steam and if yes can you play it without being online,and can you install the game on multiple computers?
I think so, yes. Steam users usually can install games to whatever computers they're on, aren't they?
From what I recall, you have to go online at least once, then intentionally put Steam in offline mode while still online. There's a guide on how to do so here. You might be forced to go back online after 30 days or so.
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StarCreator wrote:The Orange Box doesn't come with any version of Half-Life 1.
Indeed, my bad.
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Well, since it’s obvious that this won’t be coming out any time soon, I took the liberty of searching the meaning of the "Black Mesa" phrase and it turns that Black Mesa, in north-eastern Arizona, is in fact a major geographic feature of the Colorado Plateau! :D

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Article here:

http://cpluhna.nau.edu/Places/black_mesa.htm
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Where the hell is my BLACK MESA AAAAAAAAAAAARRGH
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tell me why this should make sense? a 1:1 remake of HL1,... it's been a very long time, but I think I got a copy of HL1 remake, running on the source engine, when I bought HL2?
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1up wrote:tell me why this should make sense? a 1:1 remake of HL1,... it's been a very long time, but I think I got a copy of HL1 remake, running on the source engine, when I bought HL2?
It wasn't really a remake. Just a port to the Source engine with changes you won't notice anyway.
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Interestingly, seeing as Duke Nukem Forever is supposed to be released 3rd May 2011, that places Black Mesa in the top 1 ranking of all time vaporware software!
Lol! :mrgreen:
Not many games can claim that title! :mrgreen:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vaporware
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The common response from the Black Mesa devs when they're recognized for their achievements in vaporware is that they're honored to be mentioned alongside people who are actually paid for their work.
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ST Dragon wrote:Interestingly, seeing as Duke Nukem Forever is supposed to be released 3rd May 2011, that places Black Mesa in the top 1 ranking of all time vaporware software!
Lol! :mrgreen:
Not many games can claim that title! :mrgreen:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vaporware
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"When it's done"

"When it's done"

"When it's done"

My patience is being stretched thin.
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You shouldn't even have patience with Black Mesa to stretch. I just place it as a static thing in my mind that may one day exist, but if I think about it as a work in progress then I'll just get irritated.
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captpain wrote:You shouldn't even have patience with Black Mesa to stretch. I just place it as a static thing in my mind that may one day exist, but if I think about it as a work in progress then I'll just get irritated.
I'm doing the same. Probably the best thing to do, too.
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oli_lar wrote:
ST Dragon wrote:Interestingly, seeing as Duke Nukem Forever is supposed to be released 3rd May 2011, that places Black Mesa in the top 1 ranking of all time vaporware software!
Lol! :mrgreen:
Not many games can claim that title! :mrgreen:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vaporware
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No, I guess I haven't... ;)
How long do they take, usually...?! :mrgreen:
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