Ketsui the most overrated game this decade…

zakk · Post by **zakk** » Mon Apr 13, 2009 4:13 pm

I liked you better when you stopped posting because you were crazy

adversity1 · Post by **adversity1** » Mon Apr 13, 2009 4:13 pm

I said in most cases, so there may be certain games that simply have the bar for the second extend set so high that people might get it right before the last boss or something.

In CAVE's case, a decent grasp of the scoring system will get you an extend by stage 3. You usually have to get used to the game's patterns and get a little better at scoring to get the second point-based extend. That's the level at which I think someone can offer an objective opinion on where the game ranks.

For me, some games like Battle Garrega, Ibara, most of the Raidens etc. are not my cup of tea. However I do not make proclamations about how they're over or under-rated unless I can back up what I'm saying.

jonny5 · Post by **jonny5** » Mon Apr 13, 2009 4:23 pm

ketsui is amazing.....no if, ands or buts.....simply amazing

as you say just about any time you post, you are shit at games....which stands to reason that a game with such an in-your-face scoring system would seem 'overrated' to you....ketsui isnt all that great until you get the scoring system down well.....

but as with any game with the depth and strategy involved in ketsui, it takes time to truly appreciate all that the game has to offer....

you say you have played 30-40 credits.....this is not sufficient to experience ketsui properly, especially at your skill level.....

30-40 credits, but have you seen the second or third level on a single credit?

you shouldnt judge games based on the 1st level...

now before you call me a fucking PCB elitist, stop and think.....how does owning a game that you do not and voicing an opinion that contradicts yours make me an elitist?

it doesnt.....its just a matter of speaking from experience.....experience that you lack.....

if you had simply said you didnt like the game, that would be a fair statement.....personal preference is what it is.....but to call a game overrated, especially a game like ketsui, is just tantamount to trolling

and man....there is nothing quite like sipping warm brandy out of expensive crystal with one hand while playing ketsui with the other.....

Herr Schatten · Post by **Herr Schatten** » Mon Apr 13, 2009 4:32 pm

Jockel wrote:I've got to partially agree to sonic R though, i find Ketsui to be overrated, too. Still an awesome and really amazing game, and surely among CAVE's best, but the praise it's getting may seem a little too much.

This.

Ketsui is an amazing game. It's fun to play and it has all those wonderfully twisted patterns that mess with your brain, but it's not the transcendental experience some people claim it to be.

Few games are, actually.

Sonic R · Post by **Sonic R** » Mon Apr 13, 2009 4:35 pm

Herr Schatten wrote:
Jockel wrote:I've got to partially agree to sonic R though, i find Ketsui to be overrated, too. Still an awesome and really amazing game, and surely among CAVE's best, but the praise it's getting may seem a little too much.
This.

Ketsui is an amazing game. It's fun to play and it has all those wonderfully twisted patterns that mess with your brain, but it's not the transcendental experience some people claim it to be.

Few games are, actually.

This is what I am getting at…

overrated =/= suck

jonny5 · Post by **jonny5** » Mon Apr 13, 2009 4:39 pm

its not over-rated.....as with any game, its just not everybody's cup of tea....

you dislike it....ok...but you cant say that all the people who do like it are wrong....which is what you are saying when you say its over-rated.....

it all comes down to preference

i dont like ikaruga or radiant silvergun.....but im not going to say they are over-rated.....just not my kind of game

Zweihander · Post by **Zweihander** » Mon Apr 13, 2009 4:43 pm

neorichieb1971 wrote:Someone who has invested money in something like Ketsui will NEVER let its limelight go away because if you stop talking about it, it just passes by unnoticed.

jonny5 wrote:ketsui is amazing.....no if, ands or buts.....simply amazing...

...you say you have played 30-40 credits.....this is not sufficient to experience ketsui properly, especially at your skill level.....

30-40 credits, but have you seen the second or third level on a single credit?...

...to call a game overrated, especially a game like ketsui, is just tantamount to trolling

Case in point. The KDF strikes again.

jonny5 wrote:i dont like ikaruga or radiant silvergun.....but im not going to say they are over-rated.....just not my kind of game

I love RSG and I'll be the first to admit it's overrated. Same with Ketsui: Demo Label, I find it to be a fantastic bullet-hell fix on the go. Too bad Ketsui fanboys can't do the same. Hell, the Ketsui fanboys on this forum are comparable to Portal fanboys everywhere else. It's fun, it's unique, it's somewhat above-average. Fool yourself all you want if you wish to believe it's something more than that, but don't act like it's blasphemy when someone doesn't share your sentiments. Don't make yourselves look like Twilight fangirls.

jonny5 · Post by **jonny5** » Mon Apr 13, 2009 4:51 pm

how much the game cost or the fact that i own it has nothing to do with the fact that it is a great game.....

i would have said the same before i actually owned it(when i had only played it on 1 special day)

i never understood this argument....its no different than people defending ikaruga...only difference is the price tag....

and anybody with half a brain knows the value of a game doesnt make it good.....its the gameplay itself.....

yes...i spent silly money on it.....but it doesnt negate my opinion of it

perhaps we should just let people with little to no experience with games voice there opinions on them and ignore those who actually know...because obviously by owning and enjoying it my opinion is biased

as i said, its one thing to voice an opinion and say you dont like a game, but to say its over-rated is completely different.....thats not a matter of opinion...thats like saying everybody who likes the game and says it is great is wrong.....

that is all i am saying

Udderdude · Post by **Udderdude** » Mon Apr 13, 2009 4:53 pm

Zweihander · Post by **Zweihander** » Mon Apr 13, 2009 4:56 pm

jonny5 wrote:how much the game cost or the fact that i own it has nothing to do with the fact that it is a great game.....

"Great", like "good" and "best", is a word of subjective opinion. Prove the OP's theory incorrect after proving your own correct first. It's impossible.

i never understood this argument....its no different than people defending ikaruga...only difference is the price tag....

Typically, people defending Ikaruga have never played a real shmup.

and anybody with half a brain knows the value of a game doesnt make it good.....its the gameplay itself.....

The gameplay in Ketsui is fun and all (I enjoyed the scoring system, to an extent), but it's no holy grail of gaming.

Sonic R · Post by **Sonic R** » Mon Apr 13, 2009 4:58 pm

Zweihander wrote:The gameplay in Ketsui is fun and all (I enjoyed the scoring system, to an extent), but it's no holy grail of gaming.

Right on point.
Well said.

jonny5 · Post by **jonny5** » Mon Apr 13, 2009 4:59 pm

Sonic R wrote:
Zweihander wrote:The gameplay in Ketsui is fun and all (I enjoyed the scoring system, to an extent), but it's no holy grail of gaming.
Right on point.
Well said.

you are both wrong

adversity1 · Post by **adversity1** » Mon Apr 13, 2009 5:01 pm

Zweihander wrote:
jonny5 wrote:how much the game cost or the fact that i own it has nothing to do with the fact that it is a great game.....
"Great", like "good" and "best", is a word of subjective opinion. Prove the OP's theory incorrect after proving your own correct first. It's impossible.

The OP's "theory"?

Dude hasn't even talked about why he thinks it's over-rated, how could it be a theory? As I've pointed out earlier, again, the OP is claiming an objective opinion, as is everyone else who claims the game is 'over-rated'. There are some players here whose opinion I would take seriously and even want to hear more from about why they weren't as into Ketsui. A self-professed scrub is not one of them. It's like asking the guy scrubbing out at the SFII machine in your local 7-11 what he thinks about Virtua Fighter. You already know.

jonny5 · Post by **jonny5** » Mon Apr 13, 2009 5:04 pm

adversity1 wrote:
Zweihander wrote:
jonny5 wrote:how much the game cost or the fact that i own it has nothing to do with the fact that it is a great game.....
"Great", like "good" and "best", is a word of subjective opinion. Prove the OP's theory incorrect after proving your own correct first. It's impossible.
The OP's "theory"?

Dude hasn't even talked about why he thinks it's over-rated, how could it be a theory? As I've pointed out earlier, again, the OP is claiming an objective opinion, as is everyone else who claims the game is 'over-rated'. There are some players here whose opinion I would take seriously and even want to hear more from about why they weren't as into Ketsui. A self-professed scrub is not one of them. It's like asking the guy scrubbing out at the SFII machine in your local 7-11 what he thinks about Virtua Fighter. You already know.

well said.....this is what i was trying to convey....im at work and trying to type out really quickly on the sly

Ganelon · Post by **Ganelon** » Mon Apr 13, 2009 5:06 pm

One thing I wonder is what fraction of private owners of Ketsui have actually 1CCed it...

Sonic R · Post by **Sonic R** » Mon Apr 13, 2009 5:09 pm

jonny5 wrote:
adversity1 wrote:
Zweihander wrote: "Great", like "good" and "best", is a word of subjective opinion. Prove the OP's theory incorrect after proving your own correct first. It's impossible.
The OP's "theory"?

Dude hasn't even talked about why he thinks it's over-rated, how could it be a theory? As I've pointed out earlier, again, the OP is claiming an objective opinion, as is everyone else who claims the game is 'over-rated'. There are some players here whose opinion I would take seriously and even want to hear more from about why they weren't as into Ketsui. A self-professed scrub is not one of them. It's like asking the guy scrubbing out at the SFII machine in your local 7-11 what he thinks about Virtua Fighter. You already know.
well said.....this is what i was trying to convey....im at work and trying to type out really quickly on the sly

Why do I think its overrated?

Look at these Ketsui stans…
jumping to defend they treasure when someone speaks of they game in a way they feel is slander…

Thats what make a game overrated. Just like Lebron.

Koa Zo · Post by **Koa Zo** » Mon Apr 13, 2009 5:11 pm

overratedness is overrated

jonny5 · Post by **jonny5** » Mon Apr 13, 2009 5:13 pm

Sonic R wrote:
jonny5 wrote:
adversity1 wrote: The OP's "theory"?

Dude hasn't even talked about why he thinks it's over-rated, how could it be a theory? As I've pointed out earlier, again, the OP is claiming an objective opinion, as is everyone else who claims the game is 'over-rated'. There are some players here whose opinion I would take seriously and even want to hear more from about why they weren't as into Ketsui. A self-professed scrub is not one of them. It's like asking the guy scrubbing out at the SFII machine in your local 7-11 what he thinks about Virtua Fighter. You already know.
well said.....this is what i was trying to convey....im at work and trying to type out really quickly on the sly
Why do I think its overrated?

Look at these Ketsui stans…
jumping to defend they treasure when someone speaks of they game in a way they feel is slander…

Thats what make a game overrated. Just like Lebron.

thats retarded....you could use the same 'argument' to say a game is good...

try again....

adversity1 · Post by **adversity1** » Mon Apr 13, 2009 5:15 pm

Sonic R wrote:
Why do I think its overrated?

Yes, we are still on this question.

Waiting for your reply about gameplay.

jonny5 · Post by **jonny5** » Mon Apr 13, 2009 5:17 pm

adversity1 wrote:
Sonic R wrote:
Why do I think its overrated?

Yes, we are still on this question.

Waiting for your reply about gameplay.

hes borerd and trolling for arguments.....this was a pretty safe bet

Sonic R · Post by **Sonic R** » Mon Apr 13, 2009 5:22 pm

adversity1 wrote:
Sonic R wrote:
Why do I think its overrated?

Yes, we are still on this question.

Waiting for your reply about gameplay.

Overrated has to do more how stans hype up something more than necessary.

Tell me again where I say it is a bad game?

As far as you are concern of me, I am not in your circle of people who comments matter. I am to you a scrub, a piece of shit…

E. Randy Dupre · Post by **E. Randy Dupre** » Mon Apr 13, 2009 5:24 pm

Oh, good. Another Sonic R "me so shit, you motherfucker, I am piece of shit not hardcore so I am shit, go fuck yourself" thread.

Guys, why do you even bother replying? You know exactly where it's going to go.

GaijinPunch · Post by **GaijinPunch** » Mon Apr 13, 2009 5:25 pm

These group therapy session threads are really getting old.

Nothing is overrated if you don't listen to people on the internet. Try it. I've been doing it since 2002 and never looked back.

adversity1 · Post by **adversity1** » Mon Apr 13, 2009 5:25 pm

Sonic R wrote:
Overrated has to do more how stans hype up something more than necessary.

Notice the bolded. It's on you to explain why Ketsui is hyped more than necessary. 20-30 credits in a game should give you more than enough experience with it to explain why.

jonny5 · Post by **jonny5** » Mon Apr 13, 2009 5:25 pm

Sonic R wrote:
adversity1 wrote:
Sonic R wrote:
Why do I think its overrated?

Yes, we are still on this question.

Waiting for your reply about gameplay.
Overrated has to do more how stans hype up something more than necessary.

Tell me again where I say it is a bad game?

As far as you are concern of me, I am not in your circle of people who comments matter. I am to you a scrub, a piece of shit…

guy....you are obviously a manic depressive.....you make a habit of starting threads or posting in such a way as to get people to shit on you, and then you shit on yourself in agreement

seek help, and take your damn meds

people defending a game dont make it over-rated....thats a good indicator that is widely regarded as a good game

deal with it

emphatic · Post by **emphatic** » Mon Apr 13, 2009 5:27 pm

And for his next thread "Sonic R is over-rated"...

Sonic R · Post by **Sonic R** » Mon Apr 13, 2009 5:31 pm

adversity1 wrote:
Sonic R wrote:
Overrated has to do more how stans hype up something more than necessary.

Notice the bolded. It's on you to explain why Ketsui is hyped more than necessary. 20-30 credits in a game should give you more than enough experience with it to explain why.

You're the one to get flustered with the thread. Makes you the stan.

I've played 40~ credits - for my comments about the game, read the OP.

emphatic wrote:And for his next thread "Sonic R is over-rated"...

No one likes me - how can I be held in any kind of acclaim?

Zweihander · Post by **Zweihander** » Mon Apr 13, 2009 5:33 pm

jonny5 wrote:
Sonic R wrote:
Zweihander wrote:The gameplay in Ketsui is fun and all (I enjoyed the scoring system, to an extent), but it's no holy grail of gaming.
Right on point.
Well said.
you are both wrong

Only on your opinion, and the opinion of your fellow Defense Force. Something I care about? Not really.

jpj · Post by **jpj** » Mon Apr 13, 2009 5:33 pm

Ganelon wrote:One thing I wonder is what fraction of private owners of Ketsui have actually 1CCed it...

pretty high. especially as it's a tough cookie (moreso than doj once you hit stage 4). a lot more than what's in my border down thread, or doj thread

BIL · Post by **BIL** » Mon Apr 13, 2009 5:36 pm

Overrated is internet shorthand for "didn't like as much as the fanbase."* Trust me, I'm a Silent Hill 2 fan and this thread is giving me Nam-style flashbacks.

*of course one can back up the claim very effectively, but if not, well, there you go.