Can someone please clue me in on why Obama is f'n with Iran?

Specineff · Post by **Specineff** » Mon Jul 28, 2008 8:42 pm

IBTL. Let's keep it civil, guys. The thread was actually interesting.

Post by **nZero** » Mon Jul 28, 2008 9:00 pm

In after Jews doing 9/11 and weak attempts at backseat moderation.

Specineff · Post by **Specineff** » Mon Jul 28, 2008 9:29 pm

^^ I hope you don't say it because I suggested to keep it civil.

moozooh · Post by **moozooh** » Mon Jul 28, 2008 9:29 pm

MX7 wrote:Of course, the biggest head scratcher is why in god's name a country that has had such well documented troubles on the receiving end of genocide seek to kill off an entire race in the most cruel and evil way possible, and still have the backing of the entire Western world...

I think it's called riding the emo waves. Various minorities and certain nations absolutely LOVE to abuse it, and considering USA is largely comprised of such people, it's no wonder it all gets a green light there.

Michaelm · Post by **Michaelm** » Mon Jul 28, 2008 10:00 pm

The n00b wrote:Where exactly did you think the Jewish people came from?

I thought we all came from the middle of Africa ?
See what is left of that

Super Laydock · Post by **Super Laydock** » Mon Jul 28, 2008 10:24 pm

Michaelm wrote:
The n00b wrote:Where exactly did you think the Jewish people came from?
I thought we all came from the middle of Africa ?

Stop thinking.
Brabant isn't even near Kenya or the likes.
A few million years of bleaching and yellowing techniques made us all feel very disconnected with "the homeland"

See what is left of that

which is why most people left there in the first place.

And though I tend to favour Israels side, since it's at least a democratic with leaders that are to be held accountable for their deeds, the creation of the state of Israel is one major historical fuck up.
A way of trying to rectify all the wrongs against the Jewish people in WWII. Overcompensation comes to mind. Also having people pay for the past not having anything to do with the wrongdoings is just not ethically acceptable. it wasn't the Palestinians doing all the bad to Jewish people in the first place, right!?

(before WWII they semed to be getting along pretty well in Palestian together.
The war and overcompensation of the jewish part of the people there changed it all.

SpooN · Post by **SpooN** » Mon Jul 28, 2008 10:41 pm

I fail to see how Israel is trying "to kill off an entire race in the most cruel and evil way possible".

Just let me remind you that very, very recently Israel was attacked by missiles on a daily basis, what of course is no excuse for Israels idiotic settlement policy but has to be considered. And as funny as it might sound Israel is still a source of stability in this region. The neighboring countries aren't best friends either and if it wasn't for Israel as a bigger enemy they wouldn't have stayed friendly for too long.
It's illusional to think that without Israel there would have been a nice Palestinian State and everyone around would just let them be.

I hope we can agree that it's in the best interests of the (western) world if Israel remains untouchable since otherwise conflict is ensured which would further destabilize this region. Which might be the main reason for supporting Israel (besides the big jewish conspiracy in the government of course......).

Super Laydock · Post by **Super Laydock** » Mon Jul 28, 2008 10:57 pm

SpooN wrote:I fail to see how Israel is trying "to kill off an entire race in the most cruel and evil way possible".

If this were the "Fashionable genocide olympics of all time", they'd be second to the Nazi's anyway.
They do have a tendency to treat an other population group in was they wouldn't have like themselves though...

The n00b · Post by **The n00b** » Mon Jul 28, 2008 11:10 pm

Super Laydock wrote:
Michaelm wrote:
The n00b wrote:Where exactly did you think the Jewish people came from?
I thought we all came from the middle of Africa ?
[/quit]

Stop thinking.
Brabant isn't even near Kenya or the likes.
A few million years of bleaching and yellowing techniques made us all feel very disconnected with "the homeland"

See what is left of that
which is why most people left there in the first place.

And though I tend to favour Israels side, since it's at least a democratic with leaders that are to be held accountable for their deeds, the creation of the state of Israel is one major historical fuck up.
A way of trying to rectify all the wrongs against the Jewish people in WWII. Overcompensation comes to mind. Also having people pay for the past not having anything to do with the wrongdoings is just not ethically acceptable. it wasn't the Palestinians doing all the bad to Jewish people in the first place, right!?

(before WWII they semed to be getting along pretty well in Palestian together.
The war and overcompensation of the jewish part of the people there changed it all.

Yes they got along wonderfully..

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohammad_Amin_al-Husayni

For the benefit of the Al Jaz viewers among us, here is a history lesson.. The original inhabitants of the area known as Palestine/Israel are not the Palestinians or the Israelis but a people known as the Canaanites.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canaanites

Now there are a few crazies who claim to be Canaanites but it's generally accepted by non-crazies that the ancestors of the Israelis killed them all. Thus the Canaanites are pretty much the equivalent of North America's Native Americans while the Israelis AND the Palestinians are the area's "white people." I don't care if your holy book tells you that you are "the one" or how much all unbelievers must die, this is history.

Now for the idiot who claimed that Israelis living in Israel is like if Native Americans suddenly kicked out all the white people, hispanics, and black people out of the United States. White people can go back to Europe. Black people have various African nations. Hispanic people have the southwestern US, Mexico, and Spain depending on their preference. Palestinians have....Palestine. Israelis have...Israel. See the difference?

This is not a children's game where if you don't "pick a team" you are a peacenik. This is a real conflict, not a game. If the US didn't restrain Israel, they would pretty much kill every single Palestinian till the 5 guys left blew themselves up. If the Palestinians had Israel's weapons, they'd go crazy too. They both have their respective atrocities as well. Palestine has Munich and Israel has the Lebanese civil war. Go look that stuff up.

Super Laydock · Post by **Super Laydock** » Mon Jul 28, 2008 11:21 pm

The n00b wrote:
Super Laydock wrote: (before WWII they semed to be getting along pretty well in Palestian together.
The war and overcompensation of the jewish part of the people there changed it all.
Yes they got along wonderfully..

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohammad_Amin_al-Husayni

most of them got along pretty well though, well compared to nowadays anyway.

Now for the idiot who claimed that Israelis living in Israel is like if Native Americans suddenly kicked out all the white people, hispanics, and black people out of the United States. White people can go back to Europe. Black people have various African nations. Hispanic people have the southwestern US, Mexico, and Spain depending on their preference. Palestinians have....Palestine. Israelis have...Israel. See the difference?

This is not a children's game where if you don't "pick a team" you are a peacenik. This is a real conflict, not a game.
uh oh.... *cancels all gaming credits*
(like real world politics can't be considered a game.... (only the odds and and goals are bigger.

[quote[ If the US didn't restrain Israel, they would pretty much kill every single Palestinian till the 5 guys left blew themselves up. If the Palestinians had Israel's weapons, they'd go crazy too. They both have their respective atrocities as well. Palestine has Munich and Israel has the Lebanese civil war. Go look that stuff up.

hearsay. it's not like the Israelians were the first to attack as a nation.
And the Lebanese civil war had some more fractions than zionist related.
Christians may have something to think about as well if this is considered a jewish offfence.

yojo! · Post by **yojo!** » Tue Jul 29, 2008 1:20 am

The n00b wrote:Now for the idiot who claimed that Israelis living in Israel is like if Native Americans suddenly kicked out all the white people, hispanics, and black people out of the United States. White people can go back to Europe. Black people have various African nations. Hispanic people have the southwestern US, Mexico, and Spain depending on their preference. Palestinians have....Palestine. Israelis have...Israel. See the difference?

That was not the point; If you can't understand what you read go buy yourself a brain but don't try to come up with an answer.

JoshF · Post by **JoshF** » Tue Jul 29, 2008 1:42 am

hearsay. it's not like the Israelians were the first to attack as a nation.

Actually yes the Irsaelimonians (chuh chuh chuh) were because the formation of the occupation was an attack in of of of itself. Also, read about terrorist bombings in the Middle East pre-Israel.

Of course, the biggest head scratcher is why in god's name a country that has had such well documented troubles on the receiving end of genocide seek to kill off an entire race in the most cruel and evil way possible, and still have the backing of the entire Western world...

http://youtube.com/watch?v=KOreHwEj2xo

antron · Post by **antron** » Tue Jul 29, 2008 1:52 am

Wait a minute, hold everything. Never_Scurred is afraid Obama is going stir shit up with Iran? Has he seen the video of McCain singing 'Bomb Bomb Bomb, Bomb Bomb Bomb Iran' to the tune of the Beach Boy's Barbara Ann?

Video please:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o-zoPgv_nYg

Post by **BulletMagnet** » Tue Jul 29, 2008 2:30 am

^ True...while I've got plenty of reservations about Obama and his insistence on rolling over and dying for the conservatives in shameful fashion in the name of "bipartisanship" (seriously, if the last several years are any indication, that's really all it's come to mean...of course, this still doesn't stop the cons from labeling him the "most liberal" senator, which is as big a load of BS as any dropped in this campaign season), he's still far more sensible (or at least, you know, informed) on most fronts than McCain. So how's that conflict on the Iraq-Pakistan border going, especially since the surge helped jump-start the Anbar Awakening?

Be that as it may, though, it doesn't make me like Obama's lack of hesitation to "reach across the aisle" (read: kowtow to the most lame-brained right-wing talking points you can find, even when they've been unquestionably refuted for ages) any more.

Super Laydock · Post by **Super Laydock** » Tue Jul 29, 2008 5:50 am

BulletMagnet wrote:So how's that conflict on the Iraq-Pakistan border going,

[nitpick mode]I am pretty sure it wasn't going at all since they do not share any borders[/nitpicking mode]

Neon · Post by **Neon** » Tue Jul 29, 2008 6:02 am

I know that the gays caused 9/11 and a few hurricanes, but what about the holocaust? Was that y'all too, or just God punishing the Jews for rejecting Jesus?

antron · Post by **antron** » Tue Jul 29, 2008 10:16 am

Neon wrote:or just God punishing the Jews for rejecting Jesus?

no, for causing the plague

Ed Oscuro · Post by **Ed Oscuro** » Tue Jul 29, 2008 11:12 am

McCain isn't making trouble with Iran because he thinks it's a peaceful nation bordering Chekloslovakia

*ba-dumsh*

JoshF · Post by **JoshF** » Tue Jul 29, 2008 11:17 am

no fir being the plaguw amrit?

Post by **BulletMagnet** » Tue Jul 29, 2008 3:19 pm

Super Laydock wrote:[nitpick mode]I am pretty sure it wasn't going at all since they do not share any borders[/nitpicking mode]

Via this statement alone you've proven yourself to be a harder-working and more trustworthy source than 99 percent of the US media...most notably CBS, which helpfully edited out the above gaffe from its interview with McCain, replacing it, in part, with his answer to a completely different question, making no acknowledgment that the segment was edited in any way.

But it doesn't matter, since we know that That Damned Liberal Media is having a love affair with Obama.

jp · Post by jp » Tue Jul 29, 2008 8:41 pm

Neon wrote:I know that the gays caused ... a few hurricanes,

No way man, only George W. Bush can create hurricanes. Geez, don't you watch the news?

Neon · Post by **Neon** » Tue Jul 29, 2008 9:09 pm

jp wrote:
Neon wrote:I know that the gays caused ... a few hurricanes,

No way man, only George W. Bush can create hurricanes. Geez, don't you watch the news?

George W. Bush is Batman. Don't you read the Wall Street Journal?!

jp · Post by jp » Tue Jul 29, 2008 10:49 pm

Neon wrote:
jp wrote:
Neon wrote:I know that the gays caused ... a few hurricanes,

No way man, only George W. Bush can create hurricanes. Geez, don't you watch the news?
George W. Bush is Batman. Don't you read the Wall Street Journal?!

He's not just Batman. He's the GODDAMN Batman.

Post by **BulletMagnet** » Wed Jul 30, 2008 2:57 am

Neon wrote:George W. Bush is Batman. Don't you read the Wall Street Journal?!

In case anyone thinks Neon is being funny, sorry - someone at the WSJ actually wrote that.

jp · Post by jp » Wed Jul 30, 2008 3:52 am

BulletMagnet wrote:
Neon wrote:George W. Bush is Batman. Don't you read the Wall Street Journal?!
In case anyone thinks Neon is being funny, sorry - someone at the WSJ actually wrote that.

Whooooaaaaaa!!!!!!

I wonder what the Nolan brothers would say about that.

adversity1 · Post by **adversity1** » Wed Jul 30, 2008 3:56 am

Wow, the ignorance in this thread is over the top.

I'm betting that 90% of the posters here have never been to Israel or Palestine. It's obvious enough that people don't even have a rudimentary history of the region and are talking out their asses. Gee, kind of like McCain.

Israel committing Genocide? Then why was there a pullout from Gaza and now a ceasefire holding there? Surely this is an obstacle to genocide?

Jews control the media? So Rupert Murdoch, owner of Fox news, the most unashamedly right wing news in the states, is a jew? Judging by names alone, there's maybe 3 Jews out of 15 on the New York Times board of directors: http://www.nytco.com/company/board_of_d ... index.html

Maybe people should try to understand American support for Israel in the following ways:

1. Support for a progressive society with free elections, trade unions, women's rights, independent judiciary and more.

2. Support for Israel as a consequence of the second world war

3. Cooperation in counter-terrorist operations, training and surveillance.

Point three is hardly politically neutral and unambiguously connected with American imperial interests in the region. But the same could be said for Egypt, a country that America sends a lot of aid to, in exchange for the right to torture terrorism suspects in its jails.

Neon · Post by **Neon** » Wed Jul 30, 2008 4:42 am

So Rupert Murdoch, owner of Fox news, the most unashamedly right wing news in the states, is a jew?

No, just controlled by them. Duh.

Judging by names alone, there's maybe 3 Jews out of 15 on the New York Times board of directors

20% of the board, eh? Way out of proportion to their numbers in society.

No wonder they got away with 9/11

jp · Post by jp » Wed Jul 30, 2008 4:49 am

Neon wrote:
So Rupert Murdoch, owner of Fox news, the most unashamedly right wing news in the states, is a jew?
No, just controlled by them. Duh.

They're in his head!!!!!!!!!!!!

FYI to whomever doesn't realize it, 100% of the things I've said in this thread, jews controlling the media included, have been tongue in cheek.

antron · Post by **antron** » Wed Jul 30, 2008 11:20 am

Neon wrote:
20% of the board, eh? Way out of proportion to their numbers in society.

No wonder they got away with 9/11

New York City is 12% Jewish. Not too far off.

Why did al Qaeda claim responsibility for 9/11? You are no different than a Holocaust denier. Blinded by your hatred.

jp · Post by jp » Wed Jul 30, 2008 1:12 pm

antron wrote: You are no different than a Holocaust denier. Blinded by your hatred.

Neon you anti-semite!!!!!!!!!!!