Final Fantasy XIII is coming to the 360!!...

MR_Soren · Post by **MR_Soren** » Tue Jul 15, 2008 3:02 pm

Kengou, I share your sentiments. Not going to get into that subject here though.

I'm not interested in FFIII, but I've been interested in it's role as the struggling PS3's destined savior. With FF XIII's impact on the PS3 minimized, I have to wonder if SONY has anything to make people choose their console over the 360. Today's presentation needs to be exciting, for SONY's sake.

For RPGs, I'm far more interested in a possible announcement of Shin Megami Tensei 4 somewhere down the road, but I dread hearing what console it will be released on. 360 forces me to miss the game or financially support the hated Microsoft, and PS3 forces me to miss the game or buy a console that seems like a poor long-term investment. I really hate this gen.

jp · Post by jp » Tue Jul 15, 2008 3:14 pm

This is awesome:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k-uTnqYHZ-I

Fanboyism on a new level.

Dude sounds like Betty from Kung Pow too. "Nyyaaaah!"

Ceph · Post by **Ceph** » Tue Jul 15, 2008 3:24 pm

Haha, that video is awesome. Don't you get it, jp? It's clearly supposed to be a parody!

EDIT: Even if it wasn't obvious otherwise, the glass of milk was a dead giveaway. Funny how everyone at youtube seems to take it seriously.

jp · Post by jp » Tue Jul 15, 2008 3:31 pm

See, I thought it was a parody too. And maybe it really is, but the site at the end there really exists:
http://www.petitiononline.com/mod_perl/ ... i?ps3exclu

So its one elaborate and well thought out parody if so!

Ceph · Post by **Ceph** » Tue Jul 15, 2008 3:34 pm

Maybe viral marketing by Microsoft?

jp · Post by jp » Tue Jul 15, 2008 3:35 pm

Touche'!

jpj · Post by **jpj** » Tue Jul 15, 2008 3:41 pm

chad warden eat your heart out

kengou · Post by **kengou** » Tue Jul 15, 2008 3:57 pm

It seems like there is very little compelling reason to own a PS3 unless you are willing to shell out $400 for MSG4, or you really want a Blu-Ray player. As a gaming device Sony has given us very little reason to want it. They better announce something amazing today.

Turrican · Post by **Turrican** » Tue Jul 15, 2008 4:59 pm

The funny part is that judging from the trailer it really looks like a FF8 remake, down to the blonde guy in gray trenchcoat. Totally nomura-style.

Now that microsoft users have their slice of Nomura, can I have back Matsuno, regardless of platform, and whatever game is he working on?

Please Matsuno come back... RPGs simply don't exist without you.

Lordstar · Post by **Lordstar** » Tue Jul 15, 2008 5:06 pm

As long as ff13 is the best possible game it could be I dont care if its released on all of the current gen systems. fact is PS3 is not selling as well as sony originally wanted and Square-enix are making sure that enough of there fans are able to buy there game, which lets face it is whats really important people buying the game and playing it.

as for this video

jp wrote:This is awesome:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k-uTnqYHZ-I

The guy does not even own a PS3 (by the presnet lack of one in the video) From the moment he opened his mouth it is obvious its a joke

E. Randy Dupre · Post by **E. Randy Dupre** » Tue Jul 15, 2008 5:23 pm

Ceph wrote:In related news, it has just been hinted that Star Ocean 4 may no longer be an X360 exclusive: http://www.n4g.com/News-169673.aspx

It's never been confirmed as being exclusive to the 360, though - all that we've been told is that it is being released for that console, not that it's not coming to any other. That, I think, is as good as a guarantee that it will be multi-format.

Strider77 · Post by **Strider77** » Tue Jul 15, 2008 5:49 pm

Poor sony... I'll be sure to shed a tear.

Taylor · Post by **Taylor** » Tue Jul 15, 2008 7:30 pm

XIII Versus is still PS3 exclusive as far as I'm aware. Though I still don't know what to make of either of them.

Strider77 · Post by **Strider77** » Tue Jul 15, 2008 8:47 pm

this game will still sell the most on PS3, 1st off japan, 'nuff said.

second, alot of PS3 owners have a PS3 for this game or have regarded it as a major important release exclusive wise. I don't think they are all now gonna just decide not to get it.

dave4shmups · Post by **dave4shmups** » Tue Jul 15, 2008 9:53 pm

Ceph wrote:Kengou got it right.

Using their illegally obtained operating system monopoly Microsoft has gained enough financial backup to enter any market they please and eventually dominate it. 4 Billion+ USD losses with their first generation video game system? They paid that out of the petty cash.
If not for those pesky anti-dumping laws, Microsoft would probably have given Xbox away.

It's funny how people seem to keep forgetting that compared with Microsoft, Sony is tiny:

Sony's net income: US$ 3.694 Billion (2008)
Microsoft's net income US$ 14.065 Billion (2007)

Sony's market capitalization: US$ 40.56 Billion (2008)
Microsoft's market capitalization: US$ 259.75 Billion (2007)

The larger they are, the fewer morals corporations have. The more power they have, the more they tend to abuse it.

Microsoft worries me, as a gamer and as a citizen of the world. One would have to be pretty ignorant or dense not to be worried.

You make some good points, but I just watched the Sony Press Conference, and, to end it, they had videos of people in the industry talking about how powerful it is and how much untapped potential it has-haven't we been hearing this for the last 3 years??

Where are all the games, compared to the 360?? Jack Tretton talked about not having to have the most games for their online service, that "nobody wants to play". And yes, those were his exact words, quoted. Sorry Jack, but I think I'd rather play the sequel to Geometry Wars and the next Galaga, then the next installment of Pain.

And I don't think Sony's too small to have gotten Ace Combat 6, Devil May Cry 4, and FF XIII all exclusive to the PS3.

I'm not saying I don't have any complaints with MS-charging $100 just to pick up a wireless signal is highway robbery, and they're hardware is still crappy, in terms of durability, compared to their competitors. People, who display their 360's properly are still getting the three rings of death-heck, our interactive unit at Gamestop just got it, and that things got a freakin' jet engine in the back!

But, MS continues to have, IMO, the strongest next-gen game library, and that's why consumers are willing to put up with the poor system durability and all the extra costs, like the $100 adapter.

At any rate, I love RPG's, and FF XIII looks like it will be an action-RPG, which would rock, IMO. I don't think we'll hear anything more on White Knight Story until TGS; Level 5 wasn't listed as attending E3.

PepsimanVsJoe · Post by **PepsimanVsJoe** » Wed Jul 16, 2008 3:44 pm

The game won't be out until 2010 or so anyway so eh.

dave4shmups · Post by **dave4shmups** » Thu Jul 17, 2008 1:06 am

No release date for this game yet, but this article is pretty good:

http://www.gamespot.com/xbox360/rpg/fin ... ed;title;1

Interesting that the game will combine combat aspects from FFX and FFXII.

UnscathedFlyingObject · Thu Jul 17, 2008 2:06 am

Talk (and CG) is cheap. Unless they show the actual game, it might as well be vaporware.

Strider77 · Post by **Strider77** » Thu Jul 17, 2008 9:02 am

yeah evryone is saying this game is impossible on 360 without even seeing the game run for real with some real lengthy hands on being shown.

if this game is like the rest, half of it can be ported with a record button.

MX7 · Post by **MX7** » Thu Jul 17, 2008 10:10 am

dave4shmups wrote:No release date for this game yet, but this article is pretty good:

http://www.gamespot.com/xbox360/rpg/fin ... ed;title;1

Interesting that the game will combine combat aspects from FFX and FFXII.

Hopefully a lot more influence from 12 than from 10...

Ex-Cyber · Post by **Ex-Cyber** » Thu Jul 17, 2008 12:48 pm

Strider77 wrote:yeah evryone is saying this game is impossible on 360 without even seeing the game run for real with some real lengthy hands on being shown.

Yeah, people tend to throw the i-word around too much in general. 360's biggest disadvantage is storage capacity, but I bet it'll just end up with gratuitously AAC voice tracks on PS3 and MP3 voice tracks on 360 or something along those lines. Maybe the PS3 release will be multi-language on one disc (yay reduced mastering costs) and 360 won't. Maybe it'll be one disc on PS3 and 2 or 3 on 360, which fanboys would crow about as though disc swapping wasn't the norm for a whole generation of FF. I really believe that PS3 has more long-term potential than 360, but the first game on a brand new cross-platform engine isn't the sort of thing that can be expected to open up that gap.

Lordstar · Post by **Lordstar** » Thu Jul 17, 2008 2:04 pm

its FF right? I really cant understand why Sony boys are getting in a huff about it. Did the nintendo boys kick up anywhere near this fuss when sony "took" it away from them? did anyone really care when The GBA tactics and the Gamecube game came out not on a sony system. games swap systems all the time. go where the money is get yourself some tasty profit margins square-enix big wigs! Im sure the buy out of square is still being paid off now

kengou · Post by **kengou** » Thu Jul 17, 2008 3:22 pm

Lordstar wrote:its FF right? I really cant understand why Sony boys are getting in a huff about it. Did the nintendo boys kick up anywhere near this fuss when sony "took" it away from them? did anyone really care when The GBA tactics and the Gamecube game came out not on a sony system. games swap systems all the time. go where the money is get yourself some tasty profit margins square-enix big wigs! Im sure the buy out of square is still being paid off now

Because Sony only had 3 big exclusives on the PS3 before this announcement: MGS4, FFXIII and GoW3. GoW3 wasn't even announced until this week. too. This just takes away another reason for people to get a PS3 when the 360 is cheaper and/or they already have it.

Not that the 360 has, well, ANY major exclusives that I can recall (all major releases get ported to PC at least). Maybe some RPGs are 360 exclusive, but I don't follow those.

moonblood · Post by **moonblood** » Thu Jul 17, 2008 3:58 pm

jormungand · Post by **jormungand** » Thu Jul 17, 2008 5:34 pm

moonblood wrote:

I work with a guy who is in his mid 30's who pretty much echoed the sentiment of that gamefaqs post. When I asked him "Wait, you're talking about a video game, right?" He got red in the face and told me "You don't understand at all." He then left work after half his shift because he was upset and couldn't focus. I guess I understand that video games are, in fact, a business and this makes perfect sense to me.

Ex-Cyber · Post by **Ex-Cyber** » Thu Jul 17, 2008 5:46 pm

I am somewhat surprised by this move (it's not exactly in the style of FF to have a multiplatform release, FFXI notwithstanding). However there's not really much to get pissed about; if they had canned it or turned it into a 360 exclusive, then I could fully understand some industrial-grade complaining.

Lordstar wrote:Did the nintendo boys kick up anywhere near this fuss when sony "took" it away from them?

Yes, in large part because there really was a sense that something was "taken". Not only did N64 not get FF7, it didn't get anything from Square. It didn't help that some "journalists" had reported on an FF-inspired tech demo as though it were actually an in-development N64 game...

MR_Soren · Post by **MR_Soren** » Thu Jul 17, 2008 6:05 pm

I think Nintendo fans were far more crushed when FFVII, and Square, went Sony exclusive, but the internet was far less active at the time so you didn't hear nearly as much whining.

MX7 · Post by **MX7** » Thu Jul 17, 2008 6:24 pm

MR_Soren wrote:I think Nintendo fans were far more crushed when FFVII, and Square, went Sony exclusive, but the internet was far less active at the time so you didn't hear nearly as much whining.

Certainly. It was perhaps an even bigger coup. I remember an American FFVII advert that basicly boasted that if it were to be released on the N64, it would come on about 1000 cartridges

Daedalus · Post by **Daedalus** » Thu Jul 17, 2008 9:25 pm

kengou wrote:1: make a crappy product/steal a decent product/buy someone else's good product
(see: 360, DOS, Windows, anything else they've ever made)

2: market the product for the developers instead of the end-users
(see: Windows with OEM pre-packaging deals and DirectX, 360 with developer tools and xbox live fees which charge the users for the 3rd party's server hosting)

3: buy out or make exclusivity deals with every developer
(see #2, Windows software exclusivity, this thread)

4: keep gaining market share until everyone is basically forced to use MS's products despite the fact that they suck

5: ?????

6: profit!

Entirely untrue. Microsoft made a damn good product, because Sony failed to do anything other than rely on their market dominance to keep pushing a feature-barren system. In the interest of full disclosure, allow me to list some of Sony's problems:

1. Online features. Yeah, you have to pay for Xbox Live, but the servers are always there. Small developers can make games online-capable without needing the resources to maintain their old servers. If I want, I can even go back to original Xbox launch games and play them online - something I can't do with my PS2. Furthermore, Microsoft has continually developed their online services while Sony has struggled to play catchup.

2. Fairness in price and hardware. Microsoft built a good system intended for gaming and was able to offer it at a reasonable price. Sony's system was built the way it was not just to be a good system, but because they wanted to recoup development costs on their Cell chip and they wanted to expand Bluray marketshare by forcing gamers to adopt it over HD-DVD. Microsoft didn't lock its customers into a format that wasn't necessary, and wasn't even a sure bet.

3. Exclusivity deals - historically, Sony has had far more system exclusive games that the Xbox. Many original Xbox exclusives were small developers doing niche games (Ex: Kingdom under Fire, Phantom Dust). Particularly when Sony had the support of major franchises (Final Fantasy, Metal Gear Solid) Microsoft needed something to add value to their console. All console manufacturers seek out these kinds of games, so you can hardly fault Microsoft for it.

4. Microsoft treats its hobbyists better. They have a great (and free) SDK for the 360 (which I'm actually using to make a shmup for when community games launches this winter). And most importantly, they give you full access to the GPU.

Sorry guys, but even Microsoft can't just buy market share. You have to make a good product, and Microsoft has done that.

People should be worried less about exclusivity and more about how multi-platform development hinders the overall product.

Multi-platform development doesn't hinder the overall product. The only advantage Square Enix could really gain from developing for a single system is Cell optimizations, which are a bitch to do and so minimal that they are unlikely to even bother.

Square's development tools are multiplatform, and they use the same language to code for both 360 and ps3. It's not gonna have a significant effect on quality or development time to work for both systems instead of one.

I am somewhat surprised by this move (it's not exactly in the style of FF to have a multiplatform release, FFXI notwithstanding).

Probably because for the better part of Final Fantasy's life, a single console has largely dominated the market. I recently read an article talking to Square, and it's looking like multiplatform releases will be the norm for future titles.

UnscathedFlyingObject · Thu Jul 17, 2008 11:05 pm

A good product doesn't break because you look at it.