HD Box Pro: cheap (and good) alternative to the XRGB-3

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skinny goon wrote:
laurie47 wrote:Has anyone tried running some PCBs through this?
Yep. I am running various PCBs through a component(neobitz) supergun with no issues. Actually, I am pretty pleased with this box. I have fixed all the issues I was having by tweaking a few things in the menus.

I paid less than $80(shipping included) for this thing. That's a steal as far as I'm concerned. I actually snapped a few pics, but they do not do it justice.
No surprise that MVS games look great(being a neobitz SG):
Do you have either
1) an Seibu SPI game (Viper Phase, Raiden Fighters etc) or
2) A Dangun Feveron generation cave game.

If you do can you see how they work with this box?
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laurie47 wrote:Now does the supergun do anything to the video signal from the PCB?
I would want to use my cab (It has a power supply and a 19"tft)
I would want to hook the PCB video directly into the HD box.
Would this be OK?
This box only has component input. My SG, luckily, has component out which I run to the HD Box. So yea, the supergun encodes the PCB's video signal to NTSC component. There is probably a way to run a PCB directly to this with some kind of RGB > Component adapter, but this box is meant to accept a signal which has already been encoded to component.

I know there are a lot of people more tech-savvy than me on this forum, I'm sure they can elaborate....I'm a bit of a dunce when it comes to the actual techy stuff.
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zakk wrote:
Do you have either
1) an Seibu SPI game (Viper Phase, Raiden Fighters etc) or
2) A Dangun Feveron generation cave game.

If you do can you see how they work with this box?
I just bought dpful's Air Gallet PCB which is Cave 1st gen(same as Dangun), so I will be happy to test it out and post pics when it arrives.

Unfortunately, I don't own any Seibu hardware right now, as much as I would love to have some.
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Hi. I really appreciate this thread and am very interested in buying an HD Box Pro now. :P Can you name a few places we can order the HD Box Pro from? I tried the official site ( http://www.hdboxpro.com ), but once I try to pay via PayPal... "This payment cannot be funded with a credit card at this time." This sounds like a policy issue on HD Box Pro's part.

Thanks! :)
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ShinMagus wrote:Hi. I really appreciate this thread and am very interested in buying an HD Box Pro now. :P Can you name a few places we can order the HD Box Pro from? I tried the official site ( http://www.hdboxpro.com ), but once I try to pay via PayPal... "This payment cannot be funded with a credit card at this time." This sounds like a policy issue on HD Box Pro's part.

Thanks! :)
I payed via paypal from my bank acc't. As far as I know, the official site is the only place t hat has it...could be wrong about that.

They were really quick to process my order and get it out to me...I had it in about a week and ended up paying no import charges for some reason.
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Just one question, the web page it's not very friendly and don't give detailed specificacions about the product.

What means this pic? Which is with the HDBOX and which without?

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The one on the left obviously. Look how much clearer & sharper it is.
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Just to throw in more speculative confusion, that side-by-side comparison *could* be the HDbox output using progressive input vs interlaced input.
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I got one.
Image is very very good.
Only issue I have is a slight ripple which moves slowly up the screen.
Otherwise amazing!
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laurie47 wrote:I got one.
Image is very very good.
Only issue I have is a slight ripple which moves slowly up the screen.
Otherwise amazing!
Hey, nice purchase. I'm enjoying mine too. You can adjust rippling effect with the "movement" option in the menu(if you're talking about what I think you're talking about).
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Come on Laurie! Don`t be shy and show us some pics :wink:

If you can take some close to the monitor it would be great, and one more question, wich resolution outputs natively your CTX monitor?

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jandrogo wrote:Come on Laurie! Don`t be shy and show us some pics :wink:

If you can take some close to the monitor it would be great, and one more question, wich resolution outputs natively your CTX monitor?

Thanks
oops...guess I forgot to link it, but I posted some pics over @ neo-geo.com:

http://www.neo-geo.com/forums/showthread.php?t=183663

(scroll down near the end)
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Hey.
I will get some pics up soon. I just moved house though and the cab is not set up yet.
The ripple is not when the screen moves it happens whilst the image is stationary.

Its a line that goes right across the screen it travels from the bottom of the screen to the top then repeats.
it distorts the picture as it passes.

Other than this is amazing.

My xrgb2+ (boxed all accessories) will be sold soon :)
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Its a line that goes right across the screen it travels from the bottom of the screen to the top then repeats. it distorts the picture as it passes.
could be a bad power suppy...
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Which thing?
The vga box?
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zakk wrote:
Do you have either
1) an Seibu SPI game (Viper Phase, Raiden Fighters etc) or
2) A Dangun Feveron generation cave game.

If you do can you see how they work with this box?
Well, I got my Air Gallet PCB, and this box works fine with it. So, we can add Cave gen 1 hardware to list of stuff that is compatible with the HD Box Pro.

However, as has been pointed out before, compatibility issues like that are often due to the sync range of the monitor itself.
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I've a question: is it a method that allows to use a composite cable (for using machines like famicom AV) on this box? :o

How works the Sfc? Cave Ps2 games (and X360 shmups) are tested? :)

It would be very useful to see a good reportage, with large photos. :)
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Fudoh wrote:
Its a line that goes right across the screen it travels from the bottom of the screen to the top then repeats. it distorts the picture as it passes.
could be a bad power suppy...
I have noticed this as well. (Just got one). Somehow it's more noticeable when you use a progressive source, and more noticeable on the reds (to me). However, if you are playing an action game, and not staring at a static screen you will not see it unless you actively look for it.

I will try using a grounded surge protector. I suspect it's caused by the differences between HK and US voltages. (HK uses 240 V 50 hz, right?)
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Specineff wrote:
Fudoh wrote:
Its a line that goes right across the screen it travels from the bottom of the screen to the top then repeats. it distorts the picture as it passes.
could be a bad power suppy...
I have noticed this as well. (Just got one). Somehow it's more noticeable when you use a progressive source, and more noticeable on the reds (to me). However, if you are playing an action game, and not staring at a static screen you will not see it unless you actively look for it.

I will try using a grounded surge protector. I suspect it's caused by the differences between HK and US voltages. (HK uses 240 V 50 hz, right?)
Strange...I'm not having this problem at all. I was having a bit of noise that looked like some sort of shielding/interference issue, but after adjusting the "movement" and "sharpness" options, I've pretty much rectified it.
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I tried it today using an LCD monitor. One cool thing about the box, is that it will feed the correct aspect ratio once you select it. In my case, I'm using 10280X1024 with 4:3. This gives me bars on top and bottom, instead of a stretched picture. The colors are very good, no fuzziness or brightness issues like with the XRGB2+. The ascending line of doom is still there, but it's less noticeable on an LCD somehow. I'll try a grounded power strip next.

I'm using my modded Xbox running XSNES9X, FinalBurn AlphaXXX, NeoGenesis, MameOX and MednaFen PCE at 480P. No pixelization, either.

If you don't get the scrolling line of doom, it's a 9.5 out of 10 in my book. Otherwise, 8 out of 10.
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Is there a comprensive review of this HD Pro Box product online.

Any news of a new upscaler from the likes of Micomsoft as the Xrgb-3 as been out a good while now.
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pcb_revival wrote:Is there a comprensive review of this HD Pro Box product online.

Any news of a new upscaler from the likes of Micomsoft as the Xrgb-3 as been out a good while now.
I'd say you're getting a pretty comprehensive review in this thread. At least three people are going over the pros and cons of this thing, myself included.

For the price, this thing is definitely worth the $$. Very small, too. No need to allocate much in the way of shelf space.
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skinny goon wrote:
pcb_revival wrote:Is there a comprensive review of this HD Pro Box product online.

Any news of a new upscaler from the likes of Micomsoft as the Xrgb-3 as been out a good while now.
I'd say you're getting a pretty comprehensive review in this thread. At least three people are going over the pros and cons of this thing, myself included.

For the price, this thing is definitely worth the $$. Very small, too. No need to allocate much in the way of shelf space.

Sure the impressions are most welcome, any infomation is better than none.

What I would like to see are some close up before and after shots.

Also as anyone tried this box with a PSP slim and lite with componant output - does it scale to full screen or boarded.
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Bordered, but it's because of the PSP. It will output a 16:9 signal, but the pic inside of that screen area is letterboxed with bars at the top, bottom and sides, because obviously the PSP cannot push any more pixels than the 480x272 it has on its screen. Imagine watching a letterboxed movie on a DVD player set to 4:3, on a wide screen TV.
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Specineff wrote:Bordered, but it's because of the PSP. It will output a 16:9 signal, but the pic inside of that screen area is letterboxed with bars at the top, bottom and sides, because obviously the PSP cannot push any more pixels than the 480x272 it has on its screen. Imagine watching a letterboxed movie on a DVD player set to 4:3, on a wide screen TV.
Okay just wondered as I understand the Xrgb-3 can do full screen both PSP dash and game mode with updated firmware.
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This sounds almost too good to be true. You know what that usually means. But from what people have said, I'll most likely order this within the next few days and use it with my PS2. I happen to have a spare CRT sitting around so, why not. PS2 only though, since my AV7000 uses composite (and I'm not buying a Japanese RGB plug and an XRGB and all that crap).

Anyway I'll post pictures once it arrives.

Edit: Tell me, why is a Hong Kong made product shipping with European converters? Shouldn't they also be 220v?
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The PSUs are 100-240V anyway, the converters are just to change the plug-size.
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In that case, time to order one. I'm a bit surprised someone hasn't already taken up the task of reviewing the performance of this with a PS2, though..
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Post by EatenByGrues »

Tiny PS2 review:

Well I just recently got mine in and it is leagues ahead of my old VGA box (sadly I can't remember what my old one is called. I got it from Lik-Sang back in the day. It's grey with a big black X on it and has s-video input).

I tested it out on a 17" CRT and a 22" widescreen LCD and got pretty good results. There were usually bars on all sides of the widescreen regardless of what the aspect ratio was set at but for the most part it appeared to render everything correctly.

As for the games I tested out were the four CAVE shooters and god of war (to see if progressive scan works, and it does). The shooters looked good except Dai Ou Jou had a little wierdness. I have never used component on a PS2 before so this may be more related to it than the VGA box but all of the scanlines on Dai Ou Jou have now disappeared. In addition to that there are some faint vertical lines (horizontal in tate mode) that gradually scroll up the screen. DOJ is the only game I noticed this happening on.

Overall I'm satisfied with it. It's definitely a much better deal than the other vga boxen in it's price range.
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Borders with PS2 games: that's the PS2's fault, since the system underscans on most games, meaning it doesn't use the full YUV resolution but rather 600x400 insted of 480p.

Scanlines: it's in the nature of a 31khz (VGA) signal that the typical CRT scanlines of low-res games are gone :)
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