The future of your cube

[FRO]

My wife, being as obsessed w/ Harvest Moon as she is will ensure that our Game Cube gets plenty of use, beyond my TMNT, Chaos Field, Ikaruga, Star Wars Rogue Squadron III, & so forth. Actually, it will probably get even more use if my wife buys a TV for herself after Christmas & if we get a Wii, which means she'll be playing her games on her TV & I'll be playing mine on the Wii.

[iatneH]

I don't have a GC, but I'll be buying one as soon as the price drops to $40 for a used console.

Already is. Popping up for CAD $50 left and right on my local craigslist.

[J-Manic]

I'm holding onto my GC strictly for the Resident Evil remake, and RE4. Those games look the sexiest on the GC. And they play much better too. That's about it. Oh, and there's that F-Zero game too that kicks ass.

[GateofThunderforceIII]

I never get rid of my consoles, so my Cube is staying put. However, compared to my PS2, XBOX and even Dreamcast collection, the Cube is hurting BAD. I'd still rather have it than not, even though Nintendo wasn't at their best software wise in the Gamecube's generation.

I just had a thought, though...I wish I bought most of the multi console ports for the Gamecube rather than the XBOX considering Cube's will last longer (I've already had 1 XBOX go bad).

[Blade]

Actually, I've given it a lot of thought.


I'm halfway tempted to Frankenstein my Gamecube to my PS2 and see what happens.

I might even try to get my hands on a Dev kit for it.

[PFG 9000]

You have to understand that the N64 looked awesome for its time.

I disagree. I've been into games since before the NES, and I was thoroughly unimpressed with the N64 during "its time." It wasn't much of a jump over the Playstation, which had been out for a full year at the time of the N64. I bought a Jaguar in mid-1994, and the N64 wasn't even much of a jump over that, even though it arrived three years after the Jag's launch.

I thought the NES, Lynx, Genesis, SNES, Playstation, and Jaguar all looked great for their time. Not the N64. (And not the Gameboy or DS or Xbox 360 or Wii or PS3, not that anybody asked.)

[JJG]

When Mario 64 came out it looked way better than any title on PS1. The problem with Sony fanboys is they like watching FMV's more than actually playing games.

Compare a game that suposedly had awesome graphics at its time like FF7 and compare it to an N64 game. N64 was a pretty big graphical improvement over the PS1, bigger than the jump from Xbox to 360.

[FatCobra]

When Mario 64 came out it looked way better than any title on PS1. The problem with Sony fanboys is they like watching FMV's more than actually playing games.

Compare a game that suposedly had awesome graphics at its time like FF7 and compare it to an N64 game. N64 was a pretty big graphical improvement over the PS1, bigger than the jump from Xbox to 360.

As a dual-console weilder of that era, I can compare the two.

N64 Graphics - Pretty good for their time, although some games had fog problems and a vaseline smeared look (blurry textures)

PS1 Graphics - Grainy textures, no anti-alasing some polygons had jaggies so sharp that they poke your eyes out.

While the N64 had some good games, most of them were 1st party (isn't that what you buy a Nintendo system for anyway?) The cartridge format alienated 3rd parties, and the PS1 won because it simply had more games. (Quanitity does not equal quality, though), and it was the only system where you could get your JRPG fix at the time.

I like the Gamecube, it's an alright system. I actually want to buy a used one because the library rocks (whoever mentioned F-Zero GX has good taste in gaming, that game kicks ass!) And I don't want to play Zelda with a weird-ass controller quite yet. Gamecube will live on with the Wii anyway because it's backwards compatable!

EDIT: My spelling sucks

[Pixel_Outlaw]

With a couple hundred yards of duct tape you could make a giant retro gaming conglomerate system. ( Just make sure you don't cover up any cooling panels or ports). It would be an unholy katamari........

[UnscathedFlyingObject]

When Mario 64 came out it looked way better than any title on PS1. The problem with Sony fanboys is they like watching FMV's more than actually playing games.

Compare a game that suposedly had awesome graphics at its time like FF7 and compare it to an N64 game. N64 was a pretty big graphical improvement over the PS1, bigger than the jump from Xbox to 360.

While the N64 had some good games, most of them were 1st party (isn't that what you buy a Nintendo system for anyway?) The cartridge format alienated 3rd parties, and the PS1 won because it simply had more games. (Quanitity does not equal quality, though), and it was the only system where you could get your JRPG fix at the time.

Wait wait wait, "the PSX won because it simply had more games"? . No, it won because it had more games and more quality games. I could come up with 10 good games for every good N64 game anyone mentions. Quickly someone tell me a AAA N64: fighting game, RPG, Shmup, and light gun game. Hard, right?

[FatCobra]

When Mario 64 came out it looked way better than any title on PS1. The problem with Sony fanboys is they like watching FMV's more than actually playing games.

Compare a game that suposedly had awesome graphics at its time like FF7 and compare it to an N64 game. N64 was a pretty big graphical improvement over the PS1, bigger than the jump from Xbox to 360.

While the N64 had some good games, most of them were 1st party (isn't that what you buy a Nintendo system for anyway?) The cartridge format alienated 3rd parties, and the PS1 won because it simply had more games. (Quanitity does not equal quality, though), and it was the only system where you could get your JRPG fix at the time.

Wait wait wait, "the PSX won because it simply had more games"? . No, it won because it had more games and more quality games. I could come up with 10 good games for every good N64 game anyone mentions. Quickly someone tell me a AAA N64: fighting game, RPG, Shmup, and light gun game. Hard, right?

The fighting game is easy: Super Smash Bros.

[Ceph]

Well, there *were* some good N64 games, like Golden Eye, Perfect Dark, Mischief Makers, Sin and Punishment, the Nintendo stuff... I even like the Castlevanias. The other day I bought Conker's Bad Fur Day, which is rad. The funniest game I've played all year.

The most annoying thing about N64 is the the blur-o-vision picture (especially for the PAL version), that's why I got myself an RGB-modded NTSC N64- much better.

[Arvandor]

Wait wait wait, "the PSX won because it simply had more games"? . No, it won because it had more games and more quality games. I could come up with 10 good games for every good N64 game anyone mentions. Quickly someone tell me a AAA N64: fighting game, RPG, Shmup, and light gun game. Hard, right?

Fighting game: Smash Bros counts right? That game rules. I think it had a Clayfighter that was pretty good on it as well, but I never played it, so I can't say for sure.

RPG: Paper Mario rocks my socks off

SHMUP: Bangai-O you fool! Sin and Punishment as well.

Light Gun: There was a Light Gun?

Now, I think both consoles were quite good, just in different genres and for different reasons. Not owning either you'll miss out on some great gaming. So, I'm neutral for this argument, I just thought I'd list the games he asked for, since as I was reading the list of genres titles were immediately springing to mind. Not difficult, no. Listing more than 1 or 2 for each though, that becomes more challenging.

[UnscathedFlyingObject]

Someone help me with PSX games now! Same stuff.

[iatneH]

Were we old enough to care about lack of anti-aliasing? I sure didn't.

[Specineff]

Just because I hate Nintendo Latin America so much (Seriously, you wouldn't believe the lies they'd publish about their wonderful N64 compared to the deplorable PS1 back in 1998...)

Good fighting games: DOA, KOF series, SFA 3, Tekken series.

Good RPGs that are NOT Final Fantasies: Valkyrie Profile, Legend of Legaia, Wild Arms, Parasite Eve.

Good shmups: Raiden Project, Einhander, R-Type Delta, Shienryu, DDP, Thunder Force 5, G Darius. (Layer Section 2 sux.)

Light Gun: Other than Time Crisis, I can't think of anything.

[Arvandor]

Actually, I never got a PS2 untill quite a while after its launch (Armored Core, Guilty Gear XX, and Disgaea combined finally convinced me to buy one); after that shooters finalized the deal, and I don't think I could ever live without my PS2. Point is I never had a PS1. Though, after a couple mentions of PSX shmups on these boards, I'm kind of thinking about picking up a JP PS1 just for shmuping, unless I could get a JP PS2 for around the same price of course.

Anyways, I don't suppose someone more knowledgable about PSX shooters could make a list of shooters that were either A: exclusive to the PSX, or B: Were done better on the PSX (like DDP apparently). Just so I know if it's worth spending money on one or not.

[Rob]

We have listoff!

[PFG 9000]

When Mario 64 came out it looked way better than any title on PS1. The problem with Sony fanboys is they like watching FMV's more than actually playing games.

Compare a game that suposedly had awesome graphics at its time like FF7 and compare it to an N64 game. N64 was a pretty big graphical improvement over the PS1, bigger than the jump from Xbox to 360.

I think it's about the same as the jump from the Xbox to the 360. Calling it "way better" and "a pretty big graphical improvement" is pretty subjective. It was better, yes, but not by all that much. I was impressed by the water effects in Mario 64. Nothing else. And I'm not sure how to take this part:

The problem with Sony fanboys is they like watching FMV's more than actually playing games.

Are you suggesting I'm a Sony fanboy? (I'm not - if anything, I'm more inclined to back Atari than any other company.) The games I play on the playstation don't really contain much FMV. It's a trend in shooters and sidescrollers, I guess.

[JJG]

I was talking about how a lot of FF games are mainly FMV yet they sell so well. Take it how you will...

[FRO]

Good RPGs that are NOT Final Fantasies: Valkyrie Profile, Legend of Legaia, Wild Arms, Parasite Eve.

You forgot Lunar 1 & 2

I would disagree w/ the statement made earlier that the Jaguar looked good for its time. I think most of the Jaguar titles looked awful (3-D stuff anyway), though the 2-D capability certainly held its own. The Saturn's 3-D capabilities, in comparison, were much more in line w/ its time (when they were well implemented).

[dave4shmups]

When Mario 64 came out it looked way better than any title on PS1. The problem with Sony fanboys is they like watching FMV's more than actually playing games.

Compare a game that suposedly had awesome graphics at its time like FF7 and compare it to an N64 game. N64 was a pretty big graphical improvement over the PS1, bigger than the jump from Xbox to 360.

As a dual-console weilder of that era, I can compare the two.

N64 Graphics - Pretty good for their time, although some games had fog problems and a vaseline smeared look (blurry textures)

PS1 Graphics - Grainy textures, no anti-alasing some polygons had jaggies so sharp that they poke your eyes out.

While the N64 had some good games, most of them were 1st party (isn't that what you buy a Nintendo system for anyway?) The cartridge format alienated 3rd parties, and the PS1 won because it simply had more games. (Quanitity does not equal quality, though), and it was the only system where you could get your JRPG fix at the time.

I like the Gamecube, it's an alright system. I actually want to buy a used one because the library rocks (whoever mentioned F-Zero GX has good taste in gaming, that game kicks ass!) And I don't want to play Zelda with a weird-ass controller quite yet. Gamecube will live on with the Wii anyway because it's backwards compatable!

EDIT: My spelling sucks

Sure, you buy a Nintendo system for 1st party games, mostly, but the Cube was very poor even on that. Ok, so we got two Metriod games; whatever happened to Nintendo releasing more then one Mario and Zelda game for a console?? And I'm not referring to the Four Swords, or the umpteen Mario sports titles we didn't need.

The Cube is by no means a terrible console, but for all it's graphical brilliance, Nintendo should've done a LOT more with it, in terms of games-or even peripherals. Heck, they didn't even make an attempt to market the Cube Digital controller over here. Instead, people had to get their's from import stores; how absurd is that?

Barring handhelds, the last Nintendo console that I really like is the SNES. The Wii is looking good so far, but Nintendo NEEDS to make sure they have a better library for it.

[JJG]

They've got the whole Donkey Kong Jungle Beat kongo drum peripheral, as well as the Mario DDR pad, RE4 chainsaw controller, Mario Party + Odama Mic controller, hook your gba to your cube wire, etc.

There are tons of peripherals.

[BrianC]

Sure, you buy a Nintendo system for 1st party games, mostly, but the Cube was very poor even on that. Ok, so we got two Metriod games; whatever happened to Nintendo releasing more then one Mario and Zelda game for a console?? And I'm not referring to the Four Swords, or the umpteen Mario sports titles we didn't need.

Twilight Princess has been released for the GCN. While it's not the easiest game to find ATM, it has been released. While the Mario sports titles don't count as the main series, some of them are still quite fun to play, even though Mario Golf and Tennis for Cube are rehashes of the previous versions.

[dave4shmups]

They've got the whole Donkey Kong Jungle Beat kongo drum peripheral, as well as the Mario DDR pad, RE4 chainsaw controller, Mario Party + Odama Mic controller, hook your gba to your cube wire, etc.

There are tons of peripherals.

True, but there's no good reason why they couldn't have done a better job marketing the Digital controller. That's what I meant, I wasn't saying that the Cube doesn't have enough peripherals.

[BrianC]

They've got the whole Donkey Kong Jungle Beat kongo drum peripheral, as well as the Mario DDR pad, RE4 chainsaw controller, Mario Party + Odama Mic controller, hook your gba to your cube wire, etc.

There are tons of peripherals.

True, but there's no good reason why they couldn't have done a better job marketing the Digital controller. That's what I meant, I wasn't saying that the Cube doesn't have enough peripherals.

Hori made the digital controller, not Nintendo. Aren't they (Hori, not the controllers) relatively new to the US too?

[JJG]

I'm not even sure what you're talking about when you mention "digital controller." I've only ever used wavebirds on my GC.

[BrianC]

I'm not even sure what you're talking about when you mention "digital controller." I've only ever used wavebirds on my GC.

I'm talking about these. They were made primarily for the GB Player, but can be used with other games too. They were released briefly in the US under the name "Game Boy Player controller", but the Japanese ones seem to be more common.

[PFG 9000]

I would disagree w/ the statement made earlier that the Jaguar looked good for its time. I think most of the Jaguar titles looked awful (3-D stuff anyway), though the 2-D capability certainly held its own. The Saturn's 3-D capabilities, in comparison, were much more in line w/ its time (when they were well implemented).

You don't think Cybermorph looked good for 1993, or Alien Vs. Predator for 1994? AvP was only a year after Doom arrived on PCs, and it looked amazing. I remember looking at the October 93 issue of Gamepro and being completely blown away by the early screens of AvP (which don't look as good as the final version).

[Arvandor]

AvP is that old? Holy bajeesus, that game had AMAZING graphics for it's time then. Wowzers.