I'm not going to convince you :pDrum wrote:I just watched a couple of episodes of Turn A Gundam. I never watched anything Gundam before. It seems ok. Convince me to stop.
I don't recall any character being "main" in 0080 (or Zeta for that matter). Both are what I dislike about the franchise embodied. Main difference is that Zeta looks nice, is longer and unfinished (not surprising if you take the production values into consideration). I watched the latter for the graphics alone, whereas the former was short enough for me to endure.Raytrace wrote:0080 is massively different to any other Gundam series or film, so to say that common negative elements of 'what's wrong with Gundam' are accentuated in it is ridiculous, the main character doesn't even become a pilot ffs, secondly it's brilliant.
you're saying the boy isn't the 'main' character in 0080? - he is, and while Zeta may sprawl all over the place, there can still be no doubt that 'Whingebag' Bidan is the main character...Obiwanshinobi wrote:I don't recall any character being "main" in 0080 (or Zeta for that matter). Both are what I dislike about the franchise embodied. Main difference is that Zeta looks nice, is longer and unfinished (not surprising if you take the production values into consideration). I watched the latter for the graphics alone, whereas the former was short enough for me to endure.Raytrace wrote:0080 is massively different to any other Gundam series or film, so to say that common negative elements of 'what's wrong with Gundam' are accentuated in it is ridiculous, the main character doesn't even become a pilot ffs, secondly it's brilliant.
I don't see in what way he isn't the main character, seems as how he's on screen for at least 50% of the OVA, and his actions are the catalysts for so much (discovering the factory, gettin Bernie to try again etc.). I couldn't give minus a shit about Seed, but I thought Sunrise were rolling in it when they made Zeta, riding off the back of the 0079 movies - and there's enough product placement in the last half of the series (when they started actually writing the names and designation on screen :s ) to make it very likely they consistently had money throughout it's run - so I really don't understand in what way it's 'unfinished'. Are you saying there were parts of the script or story which Tomino had planned which he never got to put in? I mean I'm sure there were things that 'weren't the way he wanted them' or in restrospect he would want to change, but surely you can say this about any production, at some point the creator just has to go 'ok that's it', it doesn't mean it should be classified as 'unfinished' unless there's some explicitly huge element left out.Obiwanshinobi wrote:If you say one character is main in 0080, that's like, some opinion you have there. By the way, I don't believe anyone really likes the character design.
Fair chunks of Zeta remain untold. Many Sunrise shows are unfinished in this sense (see Escaflowne TV - I don't like the character design either, but at least girls are girls rather than dudes with boobs) or another (filler episodes of SEED, poorly drawn as it already is). The company had some persistent problems making both ends meet.
Lost Universe was a blind buy. I have never seen it. However, the designs and style of comedy remind me of Slayers, so I think I should be able to like it and watch it more than a few times. There was a buncha stuff I wanted to buy, but it's rediculously unfeasible for me to store/shelve at this point, let alone watchdrauch wrote:I wound up getting that Mecha Masters set during black friday/cyber monday/whatever. Odd that they had it, especially for such a low price, being it is out of print. Now I can finally watch Genocyber in all its gory glory. Almost bought Lost Universe myself, but decided to hold out. Have you seen it before, bl0x?
Maybe give Turn A a shot. Apparently it has a greater emphasis on characters and not that many robot battles than your avg Gundam, though I have nothing to compare it to. I got the sniffles at episode 10. I like it and am pretty addicted, though it is the only mech thing I have ever watched apart from NGE.Obiwanshinobi wrote:In Escaflowne and Zeta alike, there are scenes of mighty forces setting off to kick some butt, yet the butt-kicking itself does not happen onscreen, so you can tell the battle was in the script, but remained on paper.
I can't remember a single Gundam show that really is about any human being. They are all about robots and You the Guy. 0080 was a futile attempt to redeem the franchise at best, but I think the really real battle for putting life right back in mech shows fought Nadesico and Eureka Seven (TV).
ChurchOfSolipsism wrote: ALso, this is how SKykid usually posts
Skykid wrote:Just burned through the first 15 episodes of One Piece.
Quite enjoyed. I read the manga semi-simultaneously. Now I'm unsure whether or not to continue, so can I ask anyone who knows:
Does the animation quality improve? It's not bad, but it could do with a little more budget. And does it get better generally? Not that it's not entertaining (v.funny in places and superb characters) but the story arcs seem a wee bit generic so far.
Beyond Urushibara, Yukimura or Asano's stuff? What are you comparing it to?Randorama wrote:The very peculiar feature of One Piece is that, every once in a while, it is incredibly touching and lyric, well beyond any other anime/manga that places a great emphasis on characterisation and plot.
Hagane wrote:Beyond Urushibara, Yukimura or Asano's stuff? What are you comparing it to?
Hrm, in that case I think I'm done with One Piece. I got a taste for it, that's enough. I don't want to watch through much filler and endless battles for the good bits (I was hoping for less in the way of fighting and more in the way of imaginative adventure stuff).Randorama wrote:Skykid wrote:Just burned through the first 15 episodes of One Piece.
Quite enjoyed. I read the manga semi-simultaneously. Now I'm unsure whether or not to continue, so can I ask anyone who knows:
Does the animation quality improve? It's not bad, but it could do with a little more budget. And does it get better generally? Not that it's not entertaining (v.funny in places and superb characters) but the story arcs seem a wee bit generic so far.
The aninmation? Not really, although one could say that you're watching old serialized episodes, i.e. products with default low quality, to begin with.
I watched all of one piece episodes to now, I think that most story arcs are irrationally long and tedious, although it does have its moments of brilliance. The arcs that introduce Nami, Tony Chopper and Nico Robin's background, as well as the other short arcs tend to be good. The arcs that introduce Franky and Brooke are also good, in the few episodes in which they focus on these characters.The rest tends to be an endless sequence of battle manga stuff.
The quality of the narration consistently improves after episode 400 or so (yes, 400, not 40). The characters also become less mono-dimensional, and quite so in my opinion (yes, even Luffy). My guess is that the Manga changed editor, and the guys at Jump realized that the average age of the readers increased. The last long arc, in the anime, had a decent amount of fighting, but it also made a conscious effort to expand and explain the background of several characters in the story.
The very peculiar feature of One Piece is that, every once in a while, it is incredibly touching and lyric, well beyond any other anime/manga that places a great emphasis on characterisation and plot. The problem is that such moments are often hidden within tons of Saint Seya-like battle retardness.
Say: Bink's sake and the story behind it is well hidden in a 40+ episodes arc which is quite worse than being fisted with two punches, as far as I am concerned.
ChurchOfSolipsism wrote: ALso, this is how SKykid usually posts
Hagane wrote:I'm just curious about those instances where "it is incredibly touching and lyric, well beyond any other anime/manga that places a great emphasis on characterisation and plot", since I'm not willing to dig in the tons of Saint Seiya like crap it's buried in. Considering the quality those manga authors (among others) can achieve (Vinland Saga, Mushishi, Solanin), I'd be surprised if One Piece can truly suddenly shift from the turd it usually is to the sublime bits you mention.
Then anything based on Jump Manga is off-limits. Their series seem to be for kids that must get their weekly fix of "omg!battlebattlebattlebattle!", and not much else.Skykid wrote: I don't want to watch through much filler and endless battles for the good bits
SOMEDAY Aoi Pen will be translated too, someday.Raytrace wrote:finally reading Moeyo Pen - absolutely brilliant
yes the man is an absolute legend - pure constant hot blooded intensity from start to finish, everything stated like a rocket punchKAI wrote:Skykid, you should watch Bakemonogatari.
Just finished watching the Hi no Tori Trilogy + Hi no Tori 2772, the later heavily inspired by Disney's movies, I found its animation fascinating.
SOMEDAY Aoi Pen will be translated too, someday.Raytrace wrote:finally reading Moeyo Pen - absolutely brilliant
That’s the one where Kei and Yuri chase the T-800 like robot around the city, whilst unintentionally foiling several would be robbers’ schemes isn’t it? Great episode that one and as are the majority of them. I think that episode may be when I noticed the significant jump in animation over the series (as expected being an OVA and done a couple years later), particularly the robot running scenes, quite fluid.Raytrace wrote:watching the Hallowe'en episode of Dirty Pair OVA, the usual perfect combination of humour, great design and script
I'm also very pleased to hear what I'm pretty sure is a Roland TR-727 being used on the soundtrack too :p
Yeah that's it - amazing fun - the train jumping up and becoming the Dragon Dance hahahah, yeah while I have no problems with the TV series art, there certainly does seem to be a good bit more frames in the OVAsDaneSaga wrote: That’s the one where Kei and Yuri chase the T-800 like robot around the city, whilst unintentionally foiling several would be robbers’ schemes isn’t it? Great episode that one and as are the majority of them. I think that episode may be when I noticed the significant jump in animation over the series (as expected being an OVA and done a couple years later), particularly the robot running scenes, quite fluid.
Ninja Scroll series (13 episodes), quite boring so i watched the Anniversary Edition straight after to make it all better 
Mnemosyne (6 episodes), i really enjoyed this, love the story and the start/ending theme songs 
Blade Of The Immortal (13 episodes), also like this one as well, shame no proper ending 
No tbh I haven't gotten to any Frontier yet, I'm trying to get through Macross 7 first :p - I'm only at about episode 9 o_OPC Engine Fan X! wrote:Say RayTrace,
Have you checked out the "Macross Frontier: The False Songtress" anime movie yet? It clocks in at an hour and 59 minutes plus running time. The heated battles with the MF-based Valkyries Battroids and the aliens are just mouthwatering (especially when viewed on a proper 16:9 widescreen HDTV setup & in 1080p indeed).
PC Engine Fan X! ^_~
yeah I do like it, I kinda decided I'd watch it with my son though, cause he loves it, but he doesn't always want to watch it unfortunately hahahaxbl0x180 wrote:I loved Macross 7, but it was pure cheeez. I used to follow it as it aired from videocassette dupes soon after they aired. There's a Milene Jenius/Fire Bomber single I still have with the ending theme song and a B-side. UC Irvine used to have an anime store back in the early to mid 90s with some decent import selections
