The Official Cool PCB You Just Got Thread!

[moh]

There you go moh! Finally...

it's a perfect conversion. The american board is rare as hell, and I can't stand the voices in the japanese version!! So this will do until I found a legit US version one day

Remember you can't submit scores to the hs thread on the default difficulty setting, it's easier. Crank it up.

The HS thread has two lists. one for jp, and one for US. I just post for the US one.

[Casey120]

Not specialy today, but over the last weeks.

Starting with Ibara:

[img]three%20awesome%20games.jpg[/img]

Now to fully enjoy those games, I'll need to rotate my screen

All three are totally worth it so rotate that shit fast !

[trap15]

I used to have a legit US board, and it used eproms instead of the SIMM memory.

These will play identically, in fact the SIMMs only store graphics data. The program code is always on eproms (even on the Japanese version) and there is no difference in gameplay (unless someone notices a bug in the phoenix code, but that seems unlikely since it's been around for a long time without any complaints).

Ah really. I guess it probably doesn't affect too much. I was expecting it to be used for RAM, in which case it probably would have had an effect (different memory access times leading to different wait-states, leading to different slowdown).

I've spent a fair amount of time playing this in mame, and I havent seen any differences.

indeed. MAME's slowdown is waaaay wrong.

[Skykid]

The HS thread has two lists. one for jp, and one for US. I just post for the US one.

Ah right, didn't realise a US one was on there. I believe US difficulty setting 2 notches above default is the same as the JP one no?

[Artemio]

Ah really. I guess it probably doesn't affect too much. I was expecting it to be used for RAM, in which case it probably would have had an effect (different memory access times leading to different wait-states, leading to different slowdown).

I can see why, since they look like RAM SIMMs, but they are just Flash ROMs in a SIMM stick. The same used in all black CPS-II PCBs, but for code in that scenario.

These are in a subboard that connects to the bus in the same manner the Eproms would (I believe there are no mask roms for progear).

[moh]

The HS thread has two lists. one for jp, and one for US. I just post for the US one.

Ah right, didn't realise a US one was on there. I believe US difficulty setting 2 notches above default is the same as the JP one no?

YUP.

indeed. MAME's slowdown is waaaay wrong.

..noticing whether slowdown is present or not is easy, but noticing differences in slowdown? is that supposed to be immediately apparent?

[Jeneki]

Got a Viper Phase 1 today:





Looking at the back of the motherboard, OUCH:



I guess that explains why it was so cheap. May need a new Seibu motherboard. Do I dare plug it in?

I'll test it out when I get home tonight.

[system11]

It's probably fine.

I actually got a VP1 NV today myself too, and a Gunbird

[Jeneki]

Success!



Thanks for the vote of confidence, system11. It was a bit nerve-wracking waiting to get home.

[undamned]

Perfect conversion? Unlikely. The Progear boards used a different memory (typical PC "DIMM" memory) than normal CPS2 games (normal SRAM memory). So it's basically not possible to have a "perfect" Progear conversion.

Non-volatile memory is non-volatile memory. Those DIMMs are not RAM, they are FLASH memory. Conversions just stick all that data into giant EPROMs on the main board. Same data. Education get.
-ud

[moh]

thanks for making me feel better, ud <3

[trap15]

Perfect conversion? Unlikely. The Progear boards used a different memory (typical PC "DIMM" memory) than normal CPS2 games (normal SRAM memory). So it's basically not possible to have a "perfect" Progear conversion.

Non-volatile memory is non-volatile memory. Those DIMMs are not RAM, they are FLASH memory. Conversions just stick all that data into giant EPROMs on the main board. Same data. Education get.

Sorry for not knowing off the top of my head that one of the few CPS2 games that used DIMMs used them for ROM and not RAM like one would expect a DIMM to be used.

[undamned]

Perfect conversion? Unlikely. The Progear boards used a different memory (typical PC "DIMM" memory) than normal CPS2 games (normal SRAM memory). So it's basically not possible to have a "perfect" Progear conversion.

Non-volatile memory is non-volatile memory. Those DIMMs are not RAM, they are FLASH memory. Conversions just stick all that data into giant EPROMs on the main board. Same data. Education get.

Sorry for not knowing off the top of my head that one of the few CPS2 games that used DIMMs used them for ROM and not RAM like one would expect a DIMM to be used.

My problem wasn't that you lack thorough knowledge about all arcade hardware, but that you straight called someone out based on false assumptions. Know what you are talking about before you make completely ignorant claims like:

it's basically not possible to have a "perfect" Progear conversion.

FYI, it's not just some obscure hardware setup. All CPS3 games use the same type of memory.
-ud

[jasoncslaughter]

FYI, it's not just some obscure hardware setup. All CPS3 games use the same type of memory.
-ud

I assume you mean CPS2 in this case. No biggie, but I know some people around here don't take kindly to misinformation.

[undamned]

FYI, it's not just some obscure hardware setup. All CPS3 games use the same type of memory.
-ud

I assume you mean CPS2 in this case. No biggie, but I know some people around here don't take kindly to misinformation.

Not sure if that was a joke, but no, I do mean CPS3. All CPS3 games use FLASH DIMMs. And as far as CPS2 games that I have verified myself to have FLASH DIMMs:

Progear
Puzzloop 2
Marvel vs Capcom black combo board

-ud

[jasoncslaughter]

FYI, it's not just some obscure hardware setup. All CPS3 games use the same type of memory.
-ud

I assume you mean CPS2 in this case. No biggie, but I know some people around here don't take kindly to misinformation.

Not sure if that was a joke, but no, I do mean CPS3. All CPS3 games use FLASH DIMMs. And as far as CPS2 games that I have verified myself to have FLASH DIMMs:

Progear
Puzzloop 2
Marvel vs Capcom black combo board

-ud

Ah, I assumed that all CPS2 had FLASH DIMMs as well, as the game in question was CPS2. JOKEFAIL

[BareKnuckleRoo]

[Ah right, didn't realise a US one was on there. I believe US difficulty setting 2 notches above default is the same as the JP one no?

The difficulty difference between the JP and US versions is similar to Giga Wing (where it's 2 on US and 4 on JP too) - pretty negligible. The patterns themselves and density don't appear to be altered, and at best there's a slightly lower initial rank on the US version of Progear (or slower overall rank increase). Really, it appears to be just as difficult by the time you hit stage 3 and particularly 4. Someone playing on a JP board then on a US board isn't going to notice it being terribly easier or vice versa, it's not like how the Hong Kong version of Donpachi has ridiculously jacked up difficulty.

Also, the US and JP boards just use their default settings, you don't have to turn up the difficulty if you're playing the US version (it doesn't seem to affect much anyways).

[Skykid]

[Ah right, didn't realise a US one was on there. I believe US difficulty setting 2 notches above default is the same as the JP one no?

The difficulty difference between the JP and US versions is similar to Giga Wing (where it's 2 on US and 4 on JP too) - pretty negligible. The patterns themselves and density don't appear to be altered, and at best there's a slightly lower initial rank on the US version of Progear (or slower overall rank increase). Really, it appears to be just as difficult by the time you hit stage 3 and particularly 4. Someone playing on a JP board then on a US board isn't going to notice it being terribly easier or vice versa

I have to disagree there. Spadgy and I used to play the US version in Casino regularly, and then both bought JP versions and found it markedly tougher. Subsequently, after clearing the JP ver, going back to Casino's US board offered a much softer run.

[brentsg]

[Ah right, didn't realise a US one was on there. I believe US difficulty setting 2 notches above default is the same as the JP one no?

The difficulty difference between the JP and US versions is similar to Giga Wing (where it's 2 on US and 4 on JP too) - pretty negligible. The patterns themselves and density don't appear to be altered, and at best there's a slightly lower initial rank on the US version of Progear (or slower overall rank increase). Really, it appears to be just as difficult by the time you hit stage 3 and particularly 4. Someone playing on a JP board then on a US board isn't going to notice it being terribly easier or vice versa

I have to disagree there. Spadgy and I used to play the US version in Casino regularly, and then both bought JP versions and found it markedly tougher. Subsequently, after clearing the JP ver, going back to Casino's US board offered a much softer run.

Maybe you and Spadgy just brought out the best in each other..

[PC Engine Fan X!]

Success!



Thanks for the vote of confidence, system11. It was a bit nerve-wracking waiting to get home.

That's cool...of course, the Fabtek version of Viper Phase 1 U.S.A. (which requires a USA region SP1 mobo) is the American version of the JPN region VP1:NV SP1 cart indeed. My local arcade known as "The Electric Underground," had such a VP1:USA up & running on a generic Dynamo cab back in 1995 -- it was priced at a mere four nickels per credit. Plus, the high scores and high score initials would be saved for posterity upon powering down for night (via on-board backup battery).

PC Engine Fan X! ^_~

[mastercello]

Got myself some nice PGM love.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5e4GBxCI9N8

[bababaloo]

New games

[moh]

batrider........


BATRIDER !!!!!!!!

[Artemio]

Osman!!!! I hope to get mine some day...

[trap15]

Wow! Two absolutely amazing games. How much did the Osman set you back

[Dave_K.]

There was an export/korean/eprom version on eBay earlier this month for $400, and another one up right now for "one day only" currently at same price.

PCB "investors" take aim, and snipe!

[cvaniafan]

New games

Nice catch.
About the Osman, if you got it from a korean seller on eBay or if the board has odd stickers on window-chips, I hope price was good because there was some Osman converted boards lately on eBay, not 100% official eprom-wise, all emerging from korean sellers. Conversions should never be pricey.

[system11]

There was an export/korean/eprom version on eBay earlier this month for $400, and another one up right now for "one day only" currently at same price.

PCB "investors" take aim, and snipe!

Pretty sure that's a conversion - note evidence of eproms being soldered in, note labels which are hand cut on the windows. Even Korean bootlegs tend to have same size eprom stickers if they came from a factory.

[cvaniafan]

I'm not in the right forum for this, but just to say I'm thinking to trade one of my Bonk's Adventures boards for stuff of the same rarity level.
Right now, I would be interested by a Crystal Of The Kings (Brezzasoft) complete full kit (must include original box).

I could locate and source another Bonk's Adventure PCB (Kaneko) that I found interesting for its uncommon looking, never heard or read anything about this version. So I thought interesting to share this with you, so if someone has any info about it, would be much appreciated !

Let me explain : the most known looking for Bonk's Adventure is a single board integrating both the mother and roms, I took a pic of the one I got a couple of years ago, here it is : http://s2.postimage.org/db3r216h5/bckg.jpg


But I recently found another version with 2 boards, a removable rom board inserted in the same size mobo (exactly looking like Great 1000 Miles Rally 1&2 PCB's for instance), : http://s7.postimage.org/5bpxzomjv/pcg_B.jpg

[bababaloo]

@Dave_K. @cvaniafan @system11: Convert or not...
I do love and Enjoy the game !