Whatever happened to the Ketsui Dump?

[Evrain]

I think I already wrote in another thread that the FBA Team offered to redump and trojan Bee Storm if a PGM cart was sent to them - and mind you, it would be returned in a perfectly working condition

You should point me in the right direction; I own such a cart...

Yeah I'm finding this claim hard to believe considering Bee Storm is a $90 cart readily available from any Hong Kong reseller, and commonly traded on the forums. If this was true, it should have been fully emulated by now.

I'm just reporting what was said to me, and quite frankly I believe IQ's claim to be true - DDP2 uses the IGS-027 ASIC chip which, as many who have tampered with MAME know, is fully trojanable with ElSemi's trojan. But then again, it's CAVE related and PGM related: you don't want Guru to suddenly dump and release something that has CAVE's trademark on it, do you? On the other hand, later (I'd say 2000/2001 and onward) games use the hellish IGS-027A we all know and hate.

That is a good point, however, ddp2 uses an external ARM7 rom, which should make dumping/trojaning the internal rom much easier.

That's what he said to me.

@Jockel: no I haven't played it. Yes I know it sucks. Yes, I want to play it because I'm a friggin' masochist and want to laugh at how much it sucks
IGS - what 5pb does, we already did.

EDIT: I already inquired about why it wasn't dumped and this was the answer:

I honestly don't know. I don't think DDP2 has enough interest from most people to be worth his time. Plus, if the internal arm7 was dumped, it would drop right into MAME/FBA/Nebula with no problem. Though that is true for several other games. Again, if you do find someone willing to part with a ddp2 cart (i imagine it can be returned in perfect working order afterwards), I know our dumper would be more than willing to trojan out the internal rom.

[Jockel]

Then goooooo Zakk!
And hopefully some day emulated versions of the holy cow a.k.a. Ketsui and Galuda / DOJ.
A man can dream.

[roker]

I just want someone to pick up the Ketsui port for a US release, then I can die peacefully (jk).

[Evrain]

I just want someone to pick up the Ketsui port for a US release, then I can die peacefully (jk).

I was considering hammering Aksys with mails requesting Ketsui and their games being region free - care to join?

[zakk]

Considering I don't pay attention to the FBA stuff at all, you really do need to point me at who/what/where, since I have no idea who any of these people are.

[Jockel]

I just want someone to pick up the Ketsui port for a US release, then I can die peacefully (jk).

I was considering hammering Aksys with mails requesting Ketsui and their games being region free - care to join?

Better buy the upcoming Deathsmiles port to show that some money can be made with publishing these games, because they're already aware that fans want Ketsui.

[Evrain]

I just want someone to pick up the Ketsui port for a US release, then I can die peacefully (jk).

I was considering hammering Aksys with mails requesting Ketsui and their games being region free - care to join?

Better buy the upcoming Deathsmiles port to show that some money can be made with publishing these games, because they're already aware that fans want Ketsui.

If it's region free, I'm in - one thing I hate about DRMs, they keep pirates out but they also keep freeloaders out! What's with this region locking crap?

@zakk: sent you a message.

[roker]

I just want someone to pick up the Ketsui port for a US release, then I can die peacefully (jk).

I was considering hammering Aksys with mails requesting Ketsui and their games being region free - care to join?

Like someone already said, the best way to send a message is to buy Death Smiles (which I plan on doing).

Then we can make a massive thread on their forums and convince them to localize it.

[mdsfx]

but how do we convince them to release more REGION-FREE games instead of localized versions?

[roker]

but how do we convince them to release more REGION-FREE games instead of localized versions?

now that there's a company releasing Death Smiles here and Cave hinting it may not be the only one in the works. You're better off trying to convince Aksys to keep it region-free, IMO

[PsikyoFan]

This thread cracks me up.

Guru set out to stir up a hornet's nest with ESP-II and Ibara and Luca just indulged him. IMHO it was retarded, but if you rise to it then you get what you deserve. Don't think for a minute that other MAME developers don't consider it inappropriate.

Which brings me to my second point: MAMEdev is a loosely-knit collection of developers. The ones that do the most (mostly mundane) work are quiet and rarely outspoken. Those that work on things likely to garner attention have also developed a thicker skin and in some cases a taste for outrageous comments. No one developer can really tell the others what to do with the exception of Aaron, and his interests are more on the architecture and long-term plans than individual systems anymore. The fact that most developers have their own personal sites rather than one unified site speaks volumes. To slag off MAMEdev as a whole is just plain disrespectful.

On the subject of DDP2 and PGM. You take your risk when you send something to Guru (or anyone). If you want it back, you better have agreed in advance a timeframe - Guru is known for his personality and the way he operates. To expect otherwise was naive - also things aren't getting decapped of late and these things can take time, especially if the interest isn't there - which is my final point: There's no-one contributing to MAME that really has an interest in PGM at this point other than third-parties further patching/hacking the protection on already-emulated games. Cave has attracted unwanted attention in the past, so it's not surprising that interest has waned. FBA on the other hand has a few younger developers who have cut their teeth on reproducing many of the drivers from MAME, using it as a reference or reverse-engineering it from scratch again for kicks. As a result they're presumably hungry to actually produce something new, and emulate something other than obscure CPS-1 bootlegs. As others have pointed out, aquiring a DDP2 is trivial and not exactly expensive - which shows you there's not really a lot of interest there but it's probably your best bet if you want to see something like Ketsui emulated.

Btw, I believe DDP2 is not as trivial as this thread hints at. IIRC (and this is from many years back), it didn't execute code from the external RAM, only the internal. So the trick (a switch and bait whilst the game is running) used to dump the ASIC from earlier games will not work even though it's the same part no. It needed decapping to be read out or the protection bit removed.

[Kubilak]

If i had contributed to TDE i would ask for the Ketsui board back.
He's had it for quite a long time now and since he didn't do what
was originally agreed, it is time i think those who paid for it
to get it back.

When the whole thing started, Guru did not say 'I won't return the board
because of side dumps'

When the whole thing started, Guru did not say 'I will not give you the dump'

He said 'Send me the board and i will do it'.

So disregarding his reluctance to send whatever dumps he made (if he made them)
to the board owners and his vague and conflicting replies and actions regarding
the subject, the fact remains that the ketsui board is NOT his property.

It was LENT to him for a particular purpose and if the TDE group asks for it
back, it should be sent back. There are NO excuses here (the whole awww it's CAVE
so i'm sorry i'm gonna have to hold on to it is laughable to say the least as well
as criminal). If he does not send back the board, then we are talking about
THEFT plain and simple.

[Teufel_in_Blau]

Wow, I'm seeing this thread coming back in 2012 and people still bitching about Guru and the lack of Ketsui in Mame.

[GaijinPunch]

the 'emulation scene' is so fucking stupid

It would be much more tolerable if everyone put more energy into getting a blow job every now and again.

[BulletMagnet]

It would be much more tolerable if everyone port more energy into getting a blow job every now and again.

Something tells me you've been picking up the slack for the rest of us for some time now.

[bcass]

At the time we were trying to get Ketsui dumped, there wasn't an announcement regarding a port. The only people whining at that time were collectors (PCBs are like stock prices sometimes).

uuhh, not really! when a port comes out, the price does not rise or fall dramatically. same if it's suddenly emulated.

http://page2.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/b112984329

[GaijinPunch]

It would be much more tolerable if everyone port more energy into getting a blow job every now and again.

Something tells me you've been picking up the slack for the rest of us for some time now.

Shit... I wish.

[BulletMagnet]

Well, I doubt anyone would argue that your heart (if not certain other bits) is certainly in the right place.

[roker]

I'm tired of elitism.

Seriously.

That's all this is about anyway. Guru feels he's the only one that can do this and he feels like he has no obligation to anyone but at the same time, he likes to "torture" people by acting like his services are an act of god.

fuck off.

no one cares that you do work for Mame and all this other shit. Most people are here for the love of the games. No one should stress out over stupid shit. If keeps planning on being a selfish dick about it, he should return the PCB and call it a day. I also can't stand his "fans" that jump up and say, "he doesn't have to work on this and blah blah blah" every time someone complains about his actions.

fuck off as well.

[robivy64]

I love getting emails from people asking me to donate some of my non-emulated games to the guy so he can dump them.

Fuck. That. Shit.

[nem]

Yeah, fuck preserving these things

*high five*

[robivy64]

Don't worry, they are preserved on my shelf.

[GaijinPunch]

Yeah, fuck preserving these things

*high five*

It's the fact that the team asks for (often high dollar) undumped games which you will never get back, while offering nothing in return, and having people like the aforementioned somewhere in the process. Giving for the benefit of the emulation community isn't good enough for a lot of people.

[sven666]

ketsui really is the dump that keeps on giving

[cools]

Ahh, that old adage: if you want something done, do it yourself.

[moozooh]

Thankfully the Ketsui dump has been slightly less than fully obsoleted by an excellent x360 port.

[emphatic]

Thankfully the Ketsui dump has been slightly less than fully obsoleted by an excellent x360 port.

BUT IT'S IMPOSSIBLE TO ENJOY WITH NO SCANLINES THAT ONLY A MAME PORT CAN OFFER.

[SP3RRFEUER]

Thankfully the Ketsui dump has been slightly less than fully obsoleted by an excellent x360 port.

BUT IT'S IMPOSSIBLE TO ENJOY WITH NO SCANLINES THAT ONLY A MAME PORT CAN OFFER.

+one could play it at the office!

[cul]

I love getting emails from people asking me to donate some of my non-emulated games to the guy so he can dump them.

Fuck. That. Shit.

There are people that pathetic?

[roker]

Thankfully the Ketsui dump has been slightly less than fully obsoleted by an excellent x360 port.

And how!

Now if only I didn't have to import a 360 ... maybe next year