Little things that annoy the hell out of you

[trap15]

It's not that the ROM is that slow, it's that my dumping method is really slow because I have no good tools to do it

[Ed Oscuro]

Does it involve a hamster wheel, road barricades made out of toothpicks, and the guts of an old Mr. Coffee chained between two old 286 PCs with a serial connection made of baling wire?
256 bytes in five hours wouldn't be usable even in the original 1971 Intel EEPROMs so this is kind of unusual to hear about.

[trap15]

I dump each 16bit word out as the length of a PSG tone. So when you read a value of, say, 0x0100, it takes 256 update ticks to dump that word. But if we have a value of... 0xFFFF... it takes 65535 ticks to dump. Assume that each tick is the length of 1 frame... and you've got quite a hefty dumping time.

[Ed Oscuro]

Oh, I see what's going on. Is this a kind of "black box" exploration of a ROM you normally couldn't decrypt and get into to find its outputs?

[trap15]

It's not that it's encrypted, it's that it's inside an MCU and there's no way to get the ROM out without making it spill it's own guts or getting it decapped. I think I'd take the ages-long method rather than destroy a helpless NMK board

But yeah, it's breaking into a black box, essentially.

[brentsg]

I dump each 16bit word out as the length of a PSG tone. So when you read a value of, say, 0x0100, it takes 256 update ticks to dump that word. But if we have a value of... 0xFFFF... it takes 65535 ticks to dump. Assume that each tick is the length of 1 frame... and you've got quite a hefty dumping time.

You sir, are redefining the long dump..

[Ed Oscuro]

don't forget hefty too, it's probably straining the busses to get it out there all at once

[trap15]

You sir, are redefining the long dump..

My prediction is that the dumping will take a total of 350 hours for all 16384 bytes

[Edmond Dantes]

Getting a new console, having only one game for it and getting bored of that one game within three days.

Especially when the new console is a Neo-Geo so, you know, buying more games is kinda expensive (although it'll be totally worth it once I have a few of the fighting games for the system)

[trap15]

> Neo-Geo
> Worth it

[Lord Satori]

Getting a new console, having only one game for it and getting bored of that one game within three days.

Especially when the new console is a Neo-Geo so, you know, buying more games is kinda expensive (although it'll be totally worth it once I have a few of the fighting games for the system)

Because ROMs and virtual consoles aren't things, right?

[nasty_wolverine]

Waiting for stuff to arrive from ebay.

[Jonst]

Stuff arriving from ebay or amazon in shitty condition,when it was was described as good...

[BIL]

> Neo-Geo
> Worth it

THE THEME OF NEO-GEO

[Edmond Dantes]

Getting a new console, having only one game for it and getting bored of that one game within three days.

Especially when the new console is a Neo-Geo so, you know, buying more games is kinda expensive (although it'll be totally worth it once I have a few of the fighting games for the system)

Because ROMs and virtual consoles aren't things, right?

Not sure what your point is. The console is already bought and payed for... it would be kinda silly to go that far only to play what are effectively ports for an entirely different medium instead, while the real system gathers dust.

Since we're on that subject, I personally prefer not to use ROMs or emulators, because for me they often become more about downloading than actually playing, and when you have 1000 games, I often run into the phenomenon of "Why am I playing a game I've already beat? If I waste time like this, I'll never beat the other 999 before I die!" On the other hand, when you only own a couple dozen games, and you bought and payed for each one, it becomes easier to justify playing them again and again and trying to seriously learn them.

..... One more thing: Not trying to start shit, I mean I understand how Neo-Geo's huge pricetag can be a turnoff... but this is a forum which actively buys, sells, and trades arcade PCBs, which is effectively what Neo games are, and which are usually just as expensive. So unless there's something else to the Neo-hate, it seems a little hypocritical.

[BIL]

I only keep ROMs of games I actually own or definitely plan to, plus a regularly cleared testing folder for stuff I'm still weighing up. Nothing to do with morality / omg allah will punish me, I just hate having a ton of junk lying around for the sake of it. Even in ROM form. I don't think I'm able to play a game very seriously if I don't have the option of firing up a real copy on hardware, either. Also, it's nice to have all my stuff on a thumb drive to emulate if I'm away from home.

MVS > AES tbqh. Shock Troopers! Homeless bum prices! But no Jockey Grandprix Home Version, admittedly. Best thing about the AES these days (besides some nice boxes, assuming you don't get a boot) are the utterly incredible dramas its collector scene conjures up.

[jonny5]

MVS > AES tbqh.

Cheaper too. You should just get one of those converter things that lets you run MVS carts on your AES.

[brentsg]

Good lord, why does anyone give a shit what other people do with their money? It's not like arcade PCBs are a super cheap hobby.

[emphatic]

Good lord, why does anyone give a shit what other people do with their money? It's not like arcade PCBs are a super cheap hobby.

Yeah. Cotton Candy on the other hand, that's just a waste.

[jonny5]

Good lord, why does anyone give a shit what other people do with their money? It's not like arcade PCBs are a super cheap hobby.

I was just offering a helpful tip. Why pay out the nose for AES carts when you can get the same game in MVS for way cheaper, and run it on an AES with the converter?

[BIL]

The answer used to be the prestige and awesome presentation of homecart releases. It's still much the same today, but with the added psychological thrill of high-end bootleg infestation.

[Marc]

The 360 Midway collection being advertised online with a shot of Roadblasters amongst others, only to find out it isn't on the fucking disc.

[Edmond Dantes]

Good lord, why does anyone give a shit what other people do with their money? It's not like arcade PCBs are a super cheap hobby.

I was just offering a helpful tip. Why pay out the nose for AES carts when you can get the same game in MVS for way cheaper, and run it on an AES with the converter?

That's actually exactly what I intend to do, actually. At least for games like Metal Slug.

Good lord, why does anyone give a shit what other people do with their money? It's not like arcade PCBs are a super cheap hobby.

Yeah. Cotton Candy on the other hand, that's just a waste.

OH NO YOU DIDN'T! *Pulls gun that fires cotton-candy bullets*

[Specineff]

MVS > AES tbqh.

Cheaper too. You should just get one of those converter things that lets you run MVS carts on your AES.

Except the converter is not 100% compatible or accurate. It would refuse to run my legit SNK VS Capcom, but would work flawlessly with a bootleg Metal Slug. It also needed to have the little pot adjusted every time I loaded KOF 97 to avoid sprite garbage showing up randomly. Last Blade? Scaling glitches. I would totally endorse the idea of a consolized MVS, though.

[rancor]

Baka native English speakers mixing redundant / retarded Nihongo in their sentences, desu.

[Edmond Dantes]

MVS > AES tbqh.

Cheaper too. You should just get one of those converter things that lets you run MVS carts on your AES.

Except the converter is not 100% compatible or accurate. It would refuse to run my legit SNK VS Capcom, but would work flawlessly with a bootleg Metal Slug. It also needed to have the little pot adjusted every time I loaded KOF 97 to avoid sprite garbage showing up randomly. Last Blade? Scaling glitches. I would totally endorse the idea of a consolized MVS, though.

I've actually been reading up on this.

There's at least four different converters. Two of them, which are recent ones, will play all MVS games on an AES without glitches or scaling issues. The only problem games are from the NG Dev Team, and in that case its because they're looking for some sort of memory that AES consoles don't have--it has nothing to do with the converter (and frankly, I'd rather play those on the Dreamcast anyway).

Only issue I have seen so far is that the converters themselves are fuckspensive--even the earlier, inaccurate ones.

[Formless God]

That person with 20 bladders who never gives up the restroom.

[Ed Oscuro]

Miami-Dade County refusing new permits for shop owners because the sewer system literally can't handle another sink or toilet.

Promised Miami-Dade infrastructure improvements over 20 years: ~$20 billion
Capital funding needs for water and sewer systems in the US by 2020 - $125 billion

So yeah, places that only have one restroom.

Also awful: When your guts are churning and you can't make them stop!

[Moniker]

good god, the 12-year-olds playing CoD multiplayer. Been awhile since I've played a trendy shooter, and now I see why. I'm reversing my opinion about videogames being a bad influence.

[Ed Oscuro]

good god, the 12-year-olds playing CoD multiplayer. Been awhile since I've played a trendy shooter, and now I see why. I'm reversing my opinion about videogames being a bad influence.

When I bought CoD MW2 on Steam a few years ago, I bought some DLC with it. I only played that airplane graveyard map once.

I used to be able to deal with that shit back in '05 to some degree but not anymore.

Actually, I think the last online shooter I played was Battlefield Bad Company 2 PC, and after being banned for "cheating" (i.e. knowing how to keep the machine gun trained on somebody) I decided I had other things to do. Not a rage quit, just decided it was time to hang it up. That was a few years ago now.