Trizeal coming to dreamcast (not very long now :D))

Wanderer · Post by **Wanderer** » Fri Feb 25, 2005 12:35 am

Blue Lander wrote:See, you're the first person who's actually played the game who liked it. So far, every first hand account we've heard has been negative. Is it any wonder people are assuming it's not going to be very good?

Keep in mind that much of the negatively surrounding Trizeal is based on slightly negative reviews from a very small group of gamers--2 or 3 people. This situation is similar to when Ketsui was first released. Everyone on the shmups boards were salivating for the first tidbit of Ketsui info. 2 or 3 negative reviews surfaced, and just like that, the general consensus was Ketsui was uninspired and “Cave-lite”. Once everyone ACTUALLY PLAYED Ketsui, opinions changed.

neoalphazero · Post by **neoalphazero** » Fri Feb 25, 2005 2:29 am

Thunder Force wrote:
It's safely predictable that opinions will be wildly divided. Sort of like during the initial weeks of the release of Border Down, where a lot of people called that game a lame doujin...

I still can't believe people see that game as a amateur work. Chaos Field, Night Raid, XII Stag yes, Border Down HELL NO. *-neo

Frogacuda · Post by **Frogacuda** » Fri Feb 25, 2005 6:27 pm

Thunder Force wrote:It's safely predictable that opinions will be wildly divided. Sort of like during the initial weeks of the release of Border Down, where a lot of people called that game a lame doujin...

It was pretty much just Recap and NGF that said that. A few others said it was average/nothing special.

Thunder Force · Post by **Thunder Force** » Tue Mar 01, 2005 1:26 am

It doesn't look like TS are planning to renew the Trizeal.com domain. It's been in suspended status for quite a while now... goes to show how serious their debt situation must really be.

tehkao · Post by **tehkao** » Tue Mar 01, 2005 1:36 am

It's just strange to me that they would choose the Dreamcast as the platform to pin the last hopes of their shmup on. Wouldn't it make more sense to develop it for a more mainstream console like PS2 or Xbox?

Thunder Force · Post by **Thunder Force** » Tue Mar 01, 2005 1:43 am

tehkao wrote:It's just strange to me that they would choose the Dreamcast as the platform to pin the last hopes of their shmup on. Wouldn't it make more sense to develop it for a more mainstream console like PS2 or Xbox?

They're in debt and seem to need money fast. They have a Naomi property that's not making money. It's hugely faster to port from Naomi to DC than anything else in their situation. In addition to port time, it probably would cost them money upfront to jump through Nintendo or Sony's publishing hoops. And a JP-Xbox version would probably sell less than the DC, exports included...

Neon · Post by **Neon** » Tue Mar 01, 2005 1:47 am

http://www.triangleservice.co.jp/html/trizeal/

This site still works.

icepick · Post by **icepick** » Tue Mar 01, 2005 2:16 am

Was this "trizeal.com" ever actually owned by them? Whenever I saw links to the game or the company in the past, they were always to the triangleservice.co.jp address.

(I was thinking that it might've been a... fan domain, or something like that.)

qatmix · Post by **qatmix** » Tue Mar 01, 2005 2:57 pm

"trizeal.com" was never a live site.

Its always linked of the triangle services site.

It makes me laugh how people can say this chaos field etc are amateur pieces of work. You show the average man on the street Mars matrix and Chaos filed and I bet they would choose Mars matrix as the amateur work.

I have to admit I didnt really like Chaos Field at first but strangley Ive just got addicted to it in quite a big way. I also like the music.

Anyone know a good site for Soundtracks?

icepick · Post by **icepick** » Tue Mar 01, 2005 5:08 pm

Ah, that's what I thought. I didn't even have an idea of what people were talking about, when they mentioned that the official site went down...

qatmix wrote:You show the average man on the street Mars matrix and Chaos filed and I bet they would choose Mars matrix as the amateur work.

Well, that's because the average person on the street would only be looking at the works, and... well... Humans are suckers for anything 3D, probably because they're 3D beings, themselves. Woop w00p.

qatmix wrote:I have to admit I didnt really like Chaos Field at first but strangley Ive just got addicted to it in quite a big way. I also like the music.

That's just happened with me and Psyvariar 2, and so now, I'm pretty sure that I'll like Trizeal. I've said that before, haven't I. Anyway, I agree about the music! It's fantastic, for that electronic flavor. Probably could use some additional mastering, though.

qatmix wrote:Anyone know a good site for Soundtracks?

Of course!

http://www.cocoebiz.com/

::hides from thrown cans and tomatoes::

PS: Still available!

Thunder Force · Post by **Thunder Force** » Wed Mar 02, 2005 12:31 am

Trizeal.com was registered through BET Inc. domain registration service in Japan on 17 Feb 2005 09:48:33. This was the same day that Triangle Service posted their SOS letter on their official site.

Maybe Triangle Service registered it and linked it back to their company page. Or maybe someone else saw the SOS letter and registered the domain for them. This doesn't help to understand why the Current Status of that domain is now: "Locked". If the domain was so recently acquired it should be working and still redirecting to triangleservice.co.jp

Naomi-Forever · Post by **Naomi-Forever** » Fri Mar 18, 2005 6:52 am

For me its good, old school thoughout but nice,1 thing though it has quite a bit of slowdown, for me I had to have the arcade version.

http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2004-8/8 ... izealc.jpg

Sundance · Post by **Sundance** » Fri Mar 18, 2005 7:10 am

Thunder Force wrote:Trizeal.com was registered through BET Inc. domain registration service in Japan on 17 Feb 2005 09:48:33. This was the same day that Triangle Service posted their SOS letter on their official site.

Maybe Triangle Service registered it and linked it back to their company page. Or maybe someone else saw the SOS letter and registered the domain for them. This doesn't help to understand why the Current Status of that domain is now: "Locked". If the domain was so recently acquired it should be working and still redirecting to triangleservice.co.jp

I guess we just have to wait for another letter...ugh. We'll know for certain inside of a month.

Super Laydock · Post by **Super Laydock** » Tue Mar 29, 2005 1:15 pm

my oh my, I didn't realise/noticed the game seems to even have a TATE displying mode! Or maybe they just posted it.

You cannot say they aren't trying to please us, now can you!?

at the bottom of the DC page next to example shots at:

www.triangleservice.co.jp it says (translated by babelfish):

As for picture indication type 4 0. 90% reduction mode 1. Standard mode 2. Vertical picture mode (mode which is similar to arcade edition) 3. Vertical picture reversal mode (top and bottom reversal of mode which is similar to arcade edition) Note! Please do not use the television for usual home in vertical ranging. There is a possibility of becoming cause of unexpected accident and breakdown or fire. When the game is done in the vertical picture, please use the private monitor. About controller setting The "running fire shot" & "deformation running fire" can be set. In addition, it hides and can set also the side attack running fire with the fuselage.

shooting love is not a bluff!!!!

yes I like being corny sometimes

dave4shmups · Post by **dave4shmups** » Tue Mar 29, 2005 7:11 pm

"Also in my opinion, mods you need to be taking firmer control of the forum, if people flame and troll, they should be banned after one warning.

if you dont stop it now, it will just get worse."

Amen. This crap has gone on long enough with repeated offenders facing NO consequences-except being allowed to drag this forum down with their nonsense.

SPACE HARRIER · Post by **SPACE HARRIER** » Tue Mar 29, 2005 7:39 pm

I am gonna play RIVER RAID on the ATARI 2600 now....
Bling bling

Super Laydock · Post by **Super Laydock** » Tue Mar 29, 2005 8:24 pm

dave4shmups wrote:"Also in my opinion, mods you need to be taking firmer control of the forum, if people flame and troll, they should be banned after one warning.

if you dont stop it now, it will just get worse."

Amen. This crap has gone on long enough with repeated offenders facing NO consequences-except being allowed to drag this forum down with their nonsense.

Dave, who are you quoting now? I certainly hope this isn's meant to offend me because if so I'd be very dissapointed in you.

@ Space Harrier: River Raid kicks ass! Though I suppose that's not what you wanted to bring across...

Why all this hostility? Come on guys! I really hope I am misinterpretating this stuff... I genuinely am excited about Trizeal, so let me!

SPACE HARRIER · Post by **SPACE HARRIER** » Tue Mar 29, 2005 10:22 pm

Super Laydock wrote:
@ Space Harrier: River Raid kicks ass! Though I suppose that's not what you wanted to bring across...

Why all this hostility? Come on guys! I really hope I am misinterpretating this stuff... I genuinely am excited about Trizeal, so let me!

Hey Laydock..don't get me wrong...i think everybody is free to post what they want...
did you know that everybody is coming back just to read the new post

Check below for the new post...
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8 1/2 · Post by **8 1/2** » Wed Mar 30, 2005 1:04 am

Hey, I didn't read much of the above silliness... just wanted to thank the powers overseas for keeping the shmup flames burning and keeping the games coming. It's true that there is a sea of great games in the past, and perhaps the masterpieces will never be overshadowed, but it's still nice to have a new game coming along. If nothing more, it gives me something new... a shmup that I can grab onto without having to throw out thousands to keep up with the pcb scene, and beyond that it keeps me from feeling totally alone in my love of the genre.

Plus, there's still a lot of room left in the "neo classic" genre of shmupdom. How I long for a game with modern styling but a classic feel. I was playing Kyukyoku Tiger on the MD yesterday and wishing that I could have a game like that without the speed-ups and the restarts after death. The modern precident is that when you die you only power-down one level in your shots, enemies rarely snipe you in the back, you instantly respawn when you die, and you have a constant speed. I would love to see a game with classic pacing and those old-school enemies who didn't just fire out big patterns but rather turned and fired at YOU, but with all the modern trimmings added in for maximum intuitive gameplay. This game may not be that dream executed fully, but it may be close enough to give me a solid 20 hours of playtime. That's enough for me.

dave4shmups · Post by **dave4shmups** » Wed Mar 30, 2005 5:30 am

Super Laydock I'm not trying to offend you, I was simply confirming what someone else has already observed-that people who flame on these forums should be disciplined.

And yeah, River Raid rocks! Although it's hard as heck. I like it's sequel better.

In any case, I support what 8 1/2 said; I long for more traditional style shooters too. Everything doesn't have to be Cave with 2 million bullets on the screen. As for the reported slowdown, so what?? There's slowdown in SNES Gradius 3, but that's generally acknowledged to be a great port of that game. And there are plenty of people on there, including me, who love PS1 G-Darius-again, plenty of slowdown in that game.

Thunder Force · Post by **Thunder Force** » Wed Mar 30, 2005 10:55 am

dave4shmups wrote:I long for more traditional style shooters too.

on that note...

My casual comparison of Trizeal to Raiden III in another recent thread reminded me of a fact I've been interested in clearing up, if anyone knows for sure. It relates to the exact origins of Triangle Service... Certainly they seem enthusiastic about old-school non-manic shmupping, and perhaps this is why...

Triangle Service are rumored to be one or more programmer(s) who originally worked on Raiden at Seibu. Eventually though as we know Seibu vanished. The programmer(s) in question supposedly were hired by arcade maker Oriental Soft, and in 2002 actually released a new little-known shmup there called G-Stream.

From what I can gather, based on TS's comments in their recent SOS message - XII Stag was also originally supposed to be an Oriental Soft release, after G-Stream. However Oriental Soft basically screwed them so they left, then finished the shooter out of their own pocket and licensed it to Taito for publishing on their G-Net hardware. This might explain why it's a G-Net release yet strangely didn't use any of the G-Net's hardware effects.

A lot of this is supposition/investigation, but it would certainly be interesting history to know for sure. When we are playing Trizeal in the coming weeks are we actually playing a legitimate (though distant) decendent of classic Raiden?

oxtsu · Post by **oxtsu** » Thu Mar 31, 2005 1:17 pm

3 Minutes Trizeal Digest! (arcade capture video) ^ courtesy of Rhydeen-FMI

http://www.geocities.jp/mire_kura/index.html

Fighter17 · Post by **Fighter17** » Thu Mar 31, 2005 2:56 pm

watch the video, really good.

Post by **Ghegs** » Thu Mar 31, 2005 3:00 pm

Looked very nice, if I had a DC I'd go for it.

icepick · Post by **icepick** » Fri Apr 01, 2005 3:12 am

I watched only the first couple of scenes, because I don't want to spoil any surprises for myself. (Probably futile, but, hey.) Still, I imagine that anyone in need of further convincing would be pleased! Hopefully, anyway.

Thanks, oxtsu!

Ghegs wrote:Looked very nice, if I had a DC I'd go for it.

Is that so? As in, if you had a DC, you'd for sure place an order for the game, maybe even a pre-order? Not to put you on the spot, or anything.

TVG · Post by **TVG** » Fri Apr 01, 2005 3:49 am

that vid was a fair bit better than the previous ones i must admit.
but i wouldnt mind a full stage vid, and some unbiased feedback.

neoalphazero · Post by **neoalphazero** » Fri Apr 01, 2005 8:16 am

Famistu gave it a 6,6,7,6 pretty much the same score they gave Gigawing 2/ Generations, Psyvariar 2, and Zero Gunner 2. Not pretty mind but at least the score doesn't label it as subpar (Gatchaman, Chaos Field).

Sooo there's slowdown in the game? Seems a tad sloppy given the simple design of the game. Ah well one more week. *-neo

jiji · Post by **jiji** » Fri Apr 01, 2005 8:58 pm

It's nice to see a longer video finally. I didn't expect to see the section from LiftLiftLift in the full game. Still, this video confirms the impression I got from earlier videos, and this game doesn't look any more interesting to me now than it did then. Definitely saving my money.

captain ahar · Post by **captain ahar** » Fri Apr 01, 2005 9:14 pm

looks a lot more interesting than it initially did (in the shorter videos). however $60 is still the moon as far as i am concerned.

Rob · Post by **Rob** » Fri Apr 01, 2005 9:35 pm

Despite claims that this game is "traditional," it looks pretty modern, or at least mid-late 90s Psikyo. At least in the scenes this person chose to piece together. Plenty or a decent amount of fast bullets. Plain looking graphics, but some interesting camera sweeps and 3D effects. I don't think I can resist ordering this anymore. I'm a sucker.