XRGB-3

Konsolkongen · Post by **Konsolkongen** » Wed Jan 05, 2011 7:16 pm

Metal Slug 3, 4 and 5 are out for the Xbox too and these will run in 480p no problem.

Have you considered the MVS versions?

SGGG2 · Post by **SGGG2** » Wed Jan 05, 2011 7:18 pm

lol, I was just gonna say it; someone needs a MVS

em0ti0n · Post by **em0ti0n** » Wed Jan 05, 2011 7:34 pm

lordnikon wrote:In addition to the lag mentioned by Fudoh, the image is also filtered. While it does get dropped down to 240p via the patch, the filter is still present. So one is seeing a blurry 240p counterpart to what should be pixel perfect if it were MVS/AES. Also, I like playing the original discs rather than ISO's.

I haven't noticed any sort of blurry picture in comparsion of other 240p titles being processed by the XRGB3. I agree on playing from the original discs but patched ISO is the easiest way to play 240p Metal Slug on PS2 (at least for me). Too bad the game suffers from noticable input lag

Fudoh · Post by **Fudoh** » Wed Jan 05, 2011 7:43 pm

My goal is flawless 240p per-scaline pixel accuracy with no lag, matching that of the AES/MVS. So far I havn't found a method to get the PS2 version to do that.

I can't remember if we talked about it. Did you ever try the 480i to 240p conversion discussed here http://shmups.system11.org/viewtopic.ph ... 6&start=30 ? I'm still amazed when watching the videos posted. Unfortunately - while having an Extron interface - I don't have a CRT anymore to properly test it.

SuperPang · Post by **SuperPang** » Thu Jan 06, 2011 12:15 pm

I have a couple more questions if you don't mind guys:

Can I leave cables connected to both the VGA and DVI outs and switch between B1 (408p w/ scanlines from the RGB 21 input) and B0 (1080p from the component input) with the remote?

Do the TV users amongst you use a separate audio solution? My new TV has RCA stereo in but I'm not sure it works in conjunction with the PC video in.

Cheers

Fudoh · Post by **Fudoh** » Thu Jan 06, 2011 4:03 pm

Can I leave cables connected to both the VGA and DVI outs and switch between B1 (408p w/ scanlines from the RGB 21 input) and B0 (1080p from the component input) with the remote?

no, you can't, but you can use the VGA output for both B0 and B1. Doesn't make much of a difference.

My new TV has RCA stereo in but I'm not sure it works in conjunction with the PC video in.

I don't use my TV's speakers, but in your case, the Stereo input should of course work with the VGA input. Some TVs have a seperate 3.5mm input for PC audio, but if RCA stereo is the only thing you've got, I would very well believe that it works for VGA as well.

SuperPang · Post by **SuperPang** » Thu Jan 06, 2011 5:03 pm

Thanks, I think I've got everything covered now. Should have the unit in a couple of days and I got the TV yesterday. It seems to scale the Wii really well so I'll leave that where it is as the maximum resolution via the PC input is WXGA.

Sargon · Post by **Sargon** » Fri Jan 14, 2011 7:32 pm

Sargon wrote:Does anyone have an English-speaking contact at Micomsoft? I have a brand new XRGB-3 that I received 2 months ago from Amazon Japan (through a purchasing service). I had been operating it completely from the front panel until last night when I tested the remote and found that the box is not responding to any remote commands. I tried a fresh set of batteries and that didn't help, so it seems possible the remote was DOA. I'm sure the Amazon Japan returns process would be a huge hassle, so I'm hoping maybe if I contact someone at Micomsoft they will be willing to send me a replacement remote.

I just wanted to reply and acknowledge Micomsoft for their tremendous support with this issue. I am not sure if the employee would be ok with me posting his name, so I will refer to him as Micomsoft, but he contacted me shortly after I posted this message with some troubleshooting steps. Once I confirmed that the remote truly was dead, he arranged for a replacement to be sent from Taiwan and I received it today in perfect working order. It would have been very easy for him to turn me down as an overseas buyer. He could have said that the cost of shipping was too prohibitive or that I needed to return the item to Amazon for a replacement, or even ignored me altogether, but he did not take the easy way out and made every effort to make sure my issue was resolved. Having a working remote is not a major issue in the grand scheme of things, but I am just very surprised and impressed by the support that I received, so consider this my endorsement for Micomsoft and their tremendous customer support.

Konsolkongen · Post by **Konsolkongen** » Fri Jan 14, 2011 8:00 pm

Haha that's great! Sounds like the same guy who helped me fix my XRGB-3

SuperPang · Post by **SuperPang** » Sat Jan 15, 2011 2:44 pm

So I set up my XRGB3. I have a couple of issues.

Firstly I connected my Dreamcast (Treamcast actually) via VGA. I didn't get a picture at first but switched D in 2 to RGBHV. That works but it has an intermittent yellow hue to the picture. This could be a Treamcast issue tbh but any suggestions gratefully received.

Secondly, I can't seem to get scanlines to display for my N64. It's an RGB modded Japanese unit. I'm in B1 mode at 640 x480 with H and V scanlines turned right up/down to 7 and the display says 15KHz. I've tried a few games now. Is it the mod or the games all being 480i perhaps or am I doing something wrong?

I also have the Wii hooked up to D-Terminal with the same settings and tried a few PCE/SNES/NG VC games. I thought some of these supported 240p but alas, no scanlines. Perhaps this only works via scart?

I'm going to dig out my Saturn next, perhaps I'll have more success there.

Konsolkongen · Post by **Konsolkongen** » Sat Jan 15, 2011 4:49 pm

Don't know about the Yellowish Dreamcast picture, haven't used my DC through XRGB-3 much. But your missing scanlines is most likely because you haven't installed the B1 firmware

SuperPang · Post by **SuperPang** » Sat Jan 15, 2011 4:50 pm

Doh!

brentsg installed the English firmware before he shipped it. Is there a separate file as well? EDIT: Yes there is, v1.00 downloaded.

I'll get there eventually

brentsg · Post by **brentsg** » Sat Jan 15, 2011 5:03 pm

Oops, sorry.

Why are there separate files?

SP, you can setup a virtual machine with Windows XP fairly easily using VM Fusion or Parallels. There might be free solutions as well. Then when you plug it in, it'll ask if you want the USB device connected to the Windows or OSX OS. You choose Windows and everything works normally.

SuperPang · Post by **SuperPang** » Sat Jan 15, 2011 5:28 pm

brentsg wrote:Oops, sorry.

No problem, I'm going to borrow a mates laptop tomorrow.

Micromsoft should hand out "I got scanlines!" certificates for this thing. So much to learn

On the plus side, after I upped the RGB gain and brightness a little on the N64 it is looking pretty damn good already considering how crap the consoles output usually is, scanlines should be the icing on the cake.

SuperPang · Post by **SuperPang** » Sun Jan 16, 2011 2:41 pm

I can't get Windows 7 to recognise the drivers for this thing

Any advice?

brentsg · Post by **brentsg** » Sun Jan 16, 2011 2:49 pm

XP

Also, do 3 facepalms for the god of scanlines.

I did read in this thread that someone successfully used win7 32bit but perhaps there is an issue with 64 bit.

SuperPang · Post by **SuperPang** » Sun Jan 16, 2011 4:26 pm

So with one palm on my face I took the XRGB3 round to my sisters (and her WXP desktop), brought it back and OMG this was so worth it

Really hard to get a decent picture but it's pixel perfect!

SGGG2 · Post by **SGGG2** » Sun Jan 16, 2011 6:06 pm

Is that RGB or s-video?

SuperPang · Post by **SuperPang** » Sun Jan 16, 2011 6:16 pm

RGB mod. Pictures don't really do it justice, it's probably the best picture I've ever seen from an N64, which has a notoriously crap video output. The Saturn looks fabulous too.

The Wii is going back to component. It's a bit cleaner than running it through the XRGB, scaled or untouched. Not worth the sacrifice to Wii games for the benefit of VC scanlines.

Konsolkongen · Post by **Konsolkongen** » Sun Jan 16, 2011 10:27 pm

I think it looks very nice. Is that kid on the left smoking a cigar?

brentsg · Post by **brentsg** » Sun Jan 16, 2011 11:57 pm

SuperPang wrote:So with one palm on my face I took the XRGB3 round to my sisters (and her WXP desktop), brought it back and OMG this was so worth it Really hard to get a decent picture but it's pixel perfect!

Clearly you should have your sister take a look at that DS II "board".

RGB32E · Post by **RGB32E** » Mon Jan 17, 2011 4:16 pm

SuperPang wrote:I can't get Windows 7 to recognise the drivers for this thing Any advice?

The 32-bit version of Win7 works... are you using a 64-bit version?

BuckoA51 · Post by **BuckoA51** » Wed Jan 19, 2011 7:29 pm

Holy crap that N64 output does look good, maybe I need to get my console looked at, I bet Andy at Console Passion could do a better mod than I currently have.

Btw to the person that asked about leaving DVI and VGA connected to the XRGB3, you can do this as long as the DVI isn't connected to anything, I mean it might be more convenient to disconnect it at the TV end. You can also put it onto a DVI switch and switch it to an empty position too.

Rock Man · Post by **Rock Man** » Thu Jan 20, 2011 9:36 pm

Just ordered my XRGB-3. Can't wait to test this bad boy out.

SuperPang · Post by **SuperPang** » Sat Jan 22, 2011 4:31 pm

Congrats. I love this thing. One last pic for giggles.

BuckoA51 · Post by **BuckoA51** » Sat Jan 22, 2011 6:04 pm

Superpang can I ask what Saturn SCART cable you are using? My Saturn looks good via XRGB3 but sometimes it loses the picture. I need to look into using the NTSC Saturns composite sync rather than sync on composite video, I think.

SuperPang · Post by **SuperPang** » Sat Jan 22, 2011 6:14 pm

Its a Japanese console with a Euro compatible 21pin RGB Scart lead I bought from Lik-sang years ago, via a Scart - RGB 21 adapter.

BuckoA51 · Post by **BuckoA51** » Sat Jan 22, 2011 7:02 pm

Unlikely to be using composite sync then. Oh well I'll keep researching.

Konsolkongen · Post by **Konsolkongen** » Sat Jan 22, 2011 9:54 pm

If you switch to C.sync on your Saturn you should get a stable picture. I resoldered the composites pin on my Saturn to output C.sync instead and since then it has never dropped out.

Alternately you can switch the Input Termination to 220ohm on the XRGB-3. The picture will get get darker and it's very hard to adjust to the same brightness as 75ohm, but it should prevent the picture from dropping out.

Fudoh · Post by **Fudoh** » Wed Jan 26, 2011 9:06 pm

With the PGM and MVS being so problematic with the XRGB, I tested the alternatives. Screenshots here:

http://shmups.system11.org/viewtopic.ph ... 33#p652433

Btw: I also tested MVS -> XRGB(B1) -> DVDO -> Display and it won't sync. Not sure where's the problem though since the DVDOs indication light stays blue which means "lock on signal".... (EDIT: it synced for a short moment with a stable picture, but once I adjusted the AFC level on the XRGB the picture was lost again. I will have to try a RGB interface in between....)

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