XRGB-3

[Shin]

ikaruga007>I'm having the same flickering thing (I don't remember if I get a blue or blach screen on bootup with nothing on, I haven't tried to turn it on 30times so I don't know if I can get it to work with luck ^^'') anyway, I don't have a tv, so I stopped playing anything but the 360 and ps3 since then :\

[ikaruga007]

I've been in contact with Micomsoft now and got a quick and polite reply from one of the engineers behind the XRGB-3.

According to him, the most likely reason for my problem was two capacitors in the AC adaptor. Apparently, some of the units have a specific type of capacitors from Taiwan prone to breaking down.

So, I opened my AC adaptor and it looks like he was right, the capacitors do seem to be fried.

I haven't replaced the capacitors yet. I'm looking into maybe getting a replacement AC adaptor instead so I can run the XRGB without a step down transformer. I'll see if I can track down an AC/DC adaptor for 11v 2A that has that special plug. Anyone has one to spare or know where to get a plug that fits?

Shin, try taking a look inside your AC adapter and see if your capacitors are fried as well. On mine it was easy to spot since there was black smudge on top of them. It sounded from that engineer at Micomsoft that it was a quite common problem and that they had sent out replacement AC adaptor to customers in Japan. You'll need a special type of bit screwdriver but it shouldn't be too hard to track down.

So, there's still hope

[Konsolkongen]

Great news I think I spoke with the same person. He suggested that the caps in my AC adapter could be the problem as well.

If they look and smell fried then I'm sure replacing them will fix your problem

[Shin]

thanks you so much for the quick answer !!
yeah, the ac adaptor was pluged directly on top of the stepdown converter, the capacitors don't look fried/black, but they kinda look weird (like "swolen") and smell a bit weird...

can you post a picture of the inside of you ac ?

I'm soo happy if that's all what was causing my xrgb3 to malfunction! (to think I went ahead and took it appart to check if something looked foobar inside but not in the ac adoptor xD) haven't been using it for like more than a year ...

anyway, if you find a 11v ac replacement for euro 220v plugs (http://0.tqn.com/d/goscandinavia/1/G/_/ ... outlet.jpg like that) please do tell me ^^
I know 12v is easy to find, but I've always been too afraid to try and risk frying my xrgb3...

[P-E]

hello all

i've bought an xrgb2 to display my old fighting pcb on lcd and all works good except for those crappy v sync midway boards (mortal kombat 1 2 3 etc) i'm wondering if i can get it fix using an xrgb 3 ? also is it possible to add scan lines without adding lag too ?

regards
Pierre

[Fudoh]

ve bought an xrgb2 to display my old fighting pcb on lcd and all works good except for those crappy v sync midway boards (mortal kombat 1 2 3 etc)

the MK boards should work fine with the XRGB units. If you have problems on your setup, it's very, very likely your LCD display which can't display the 54,xx Hz output from the PCBs. The XRGB just linedoubles the signal, just the XRGB's output will have the same refresh rate.

i'm wondering if i can get it fix using an xrgb 3 ?

no, it should be the same. You would either need a LCD display which can display such weird rates or a video processor which can do a framerate conversion from the 54Hz input to a 60Hz output. The DVDO processors will do this.

also is it possible to add scan lines without adding lag too ?

The XRGB2, 2+ and 3 won't add any delay by "scanlining" the picture.

[ikaruga007]

I've uploaded a video to my Youtube account that shows the two fried caps in my AC adaptor:
http://www.youtube.com/user/ikaruga74

Two capacitors of 16V 1000uF low ESR are needed.

[Shin]

thanks!

in mine, those two look ok I guess, but the other two (the bigger ones) look really swollen (especially the one on the left most one (if I hold my AC like yours))

I just took a look on the other side of the pcb, well the capacitor area i'm metioning looks "browner" than the rest of the pcb (which is normaly green...)

I'll try to post so pictures.

[Xenogias]

i'm wondering if i can get it fix using an xrgb 3 ?

no, it should be the same. You would either need a LCD display which can display such weird rates or a video processor which can do a framerate conversion from the 54Hz input to a 60Hz output. The DVDO processors will do this.



Speaking of DVDO
I'm betting since you own both you have piped XRGB-3 into the VP50 or Edge...Was there any problem with scaling the xrgb scanlines or anything else weird to report from this combination? I am thinking about doing this because my TV see's the 720x480 XRGB-3 output as 640 and because my tv lacks the fine zoom adjustments i want

[Fudoh]

The combination of the XRGB and a DVDO will do fine. I usually don't use it, because the DVDO adds a litle bit of sharpness during it's scaling process which I don't really like. But that's nothing really to be afraid of, quite some people use this combination, especially since the DVDO adds great 480i processing which the XRGB lacks.

[P-E]

thanks a lot for all the reply so i'll check for a working lcd with mk as i'm a big fan of it ^^

[Xenogias]

A little update on x-select4+xrgb-3. Thinking that I might have done something wrong when I set up this combo I went back and re-attached the xselect HD15 port to D_IN2 on the xrgb-3. I set D_IN2 to RGBHV and attached my RGB modded PC-Engine to the JP21RGB input on the x-select and what do you know...I got a picture. I could turn off the low pass filter on the xrgb-3 as well with no noise issues. Still needed to set AFC to level 5 to correct the distortion with PC-Engines modded for RGB.
Now here is the weird part. I swapped the cable for my SNES and got no picture. TV displayed 15khz signal (which it cannot display). The really weird thing is that when I switch input on the xrgb and then switch back to d2 I see the picture for about 1/2 second and it looks OK, then it blinks out. I replicated this with my Genesis mk2 and PS1. I decided to try other systems and got picture with Saturn and N64. Mind you, I get a picture on all of these consoles directly into the XRGB-3 Game_in. Could it have something to do with whether the cable uses c-video or csync?

[akumajo]

hello

i played a lot with xselect + xrgb3 combo and i can say that is a less compatible while using VGA output

XSELECT > VGA > XRGB-3 : 70% compatible (problem with PS1/PCE/GENESIS, all RGB cables)
XSELECT > D-TERMINAL > XRGB-3 : 100% compatible

i dont know if its the same problem but give it a try with D-TERMINAL.

[Konsolkongen]

Any noticeable difference in picture quality between D-terminal and VGA?

[akumajo]

no, just more or less compatible

[Konsolkongen]

Kewl, then I'll definitely use D-Terminal. It's a no-brainer really as there's only one VGA input and 3 D-Terminals.

Didn't Fudoh mention something about loss in picture quality when transcoding VGA into component through the Xselect?

[Fudoh]

I only recently got better D-Terminal internconnects, so I'll give D to D a try sometime.

The reason why I'm not so sure about D to D is that I don't know what's going on in the XSelect when feeding 480p YUV and outputting the same signal. The main reason why I use the XSelect is to filter the PS2's 480p signal. If the XSelect's 480p YUV output is just the same signal as available directly from the PS2 then this would defeat the purpose. If it's a filtered version, then fine, but then a double conversion (YUV -> RGBHV -> YUV) might be going on which might cost a little quality.

For 15khz, e.g. Scart to YUV to XRGB this should be fine of course.

[Xenogias]

I only recently got better D-Terminal internconnects, so I'll give D to D a try sometime.

The reason why I'm not so sure about D to D is that I don't know what's going on in the XSelect when feeding 480p YUV and outputting the same signal. The main reason why I use the XSelect is to filter the PS2's 480p signal. If the XSelect's 480p YUV output is just the same signal as available directly from the PS2 then this would defeat the purpose. If it's a filtered version, then fine, but then a double conversion (YUV -> RGBHV -> YUV) might be going on which might cost a little quality.

For 15khz, e.g. Scart to YUV to XRGB this should be fine of course.

i tried 480p from Wii through component-->xselect-->xrgb3 and it looked terrible after the double conversion. I will give 240p material another try but I would assume there would be loss there as well. PC-engine looked great however although i didnt really notice a difference between PCE filtered through xselect and straight to xrgb3 with LPF enabled.

This whole experience has been mind numbing so i'm glad someone else chimed in. Also, I wired my Genny2 Scart with CSYNC instead of CVBS and it made no difference, still didn't display.

Kewl, then I'll definitely use D-Terminal. It's a no-brainer really as there's only one VGA input and 3 D-Terminals.

Didn't Fudoh mention something about loss in picture quality when transcoding VGA into component through the Xselect?

You realize we are talking about xselect's VGA OUTPUT not input. the compatibility is whether or not the xselect will output VGA or YUV for any given system given that it has both.

[RGB32E]

I tried 480p from Wii through component-->xselect-->xrgb3 and it looked terrible after the double conversion. I will give 240p material another try but I would assume there would be loss there as well.

Not sure if this is helpful, but I get a nice picture with the Wii via XRGB-3 by using the offiical D-Terminal cable. I connect the Wii D-Terminal cable to the D1 input on the XRGB-3. Running analog video and audio through multiple devices always degrades the signal, but how much is the question!



Here are two shops that sell the Official D-Terminal Cable for the Wii (best way to connect the Wii to the XRGB-3):

http://www.ncsxshop.com/cgi-bin/shop/RVL-A-KD.html

http://www.play-asia.com/paOS-13-71-10z ... -1mwh.html

[5tranger]

Got my wii d-terminal cable from here http://www.yesasia.com/global/d-termina ... /info.html buy something else for +$4 and receive free shipping

[RVTK2DX]

Okay, I really need some help with mine. I have a horrible feeling it's dead though..

I updated the firmware using the files from the wiki page, following the guide perfectly. The update finished with no interuptions, and I proceeded to reset it.

Now here's the horrifying part. I plug the unit in - no cables except power, the standby LED comes on, and I proceed to power it on. After pressing the power button on either the remote or unit, the power LED comes on, but the standby LED doesn't go out. All buttons do nothing, and there's no display from the VGA port. I can't even return the unit back to standby, and the updated tool says "XRGB-3 cannot be recognized. "
It also doesn't show up in device manager.



Any thoughts on this? :'(

[RGB32E]

Okay, I really need some help with mine. I have a horrible feeling it's dead though..

I updated the firmware using the files from the wiki page, following the guide perfectly. The update finished with no interuptions, and I proceeded to reset it.

Now here's the horrifying part. I plug the unit in - no cables except power, the standby LED comes on, and I proceed to power it on. After pressing the power button on either then remote or unit, the power LED comes on, but the standby LED doesn't go out. All buttons do nothing, and there's no display from the VGA port. I can't even return the unit back to standby, and the updated tool says "XRGB-3 cannot be recognized. "
It also doesn't show up in device manager.

Any thoughts on this? :'(

I made several posts on a thread with my end to end experience with the XRGB-3 FW updating process using Win7 x86:

http://shmups.system11.org/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=33710



Try connecting the XRGB-3 to a different USB port. Not the next one over, but one on a different USB host device (virtually all mobos have more than one USB host device). The XRGB-3 should show up as a "HID-compliant device" in devmgmt.msc. Perhaps connecting to a different USB host (different set of USB ports), and using the newest English firmware would work? Good Luck!

[RVTK2DX]

Yeah, I've seen thes during my frantic searches. :'(

I didn't think of trying it in different USB ports. I'll try it out on a couple of laptops in a sec. I just think it's odd because it was working in the USB port I'm using right now. :<

[RVTK2DX]

Nope, still nothing. It's not interacting with USB at all.

The latest English firmware is actually what I installed, but it just seems completely lifeless..

[Konsolkongen]

Nothing happens if you reset the unit? Menu + OK + Power On?

[RVTK2DX]

Nothing at all.. Both lights comes on like the picture above.

[Konsolkongen]

If you remove and reinsert the power plug does both lights lit up, or is that just when you press the power on button to turn it on?

My XRGB actually just had a FU this very moment. I couldn't turn it off for some reason. Removing the power cable and plugging it back in solved it for me.

I had a problem once where it immediately turned on when I inserted the power cable and I couldn't reset the unit. Holding the Menu and OK buttons while plugging in the cable made the unit reset, but I was scared for a while that it was broken. Don't know if that will work on yours though

[RVTK2DX]

Yeah, I've honestly tried everything.

Just the standby light comes on when I plug the power in, then when I power it on, the power LED lights up as well as the standby light. This is all it does, and just seems to get stuck at this..

I honestly think it's gone. Pretty pissed off as I only got it this morning, and have been waiting about a month for it.

I'll have a good cry, and hopefully some sleep, and maybe consider ordering another one in January.. Unless anyone else has some suggestions before I render it useless. :<

[speedlolita]

http://translate.google.com/translate?j ... xrgb-3.htm

Micomsoft's site is rather comprehensive you know you should give it a shot!

[RVTK2DX]

Well, that's massive progress and has really cheered me up. Unfortunately, I get this error after selecting the xrgb3full_v2_12e.x3b file:



I get it on both Windows XP, and Windows 7 (different computers.) (Mainly using XP, just tried 7 on the off-chance it might work.)