PS4 / Xbox One console war

[Friendly]

The point is that there never was as much interest in Wii U, even when it was just launched. Oh, and for what it's worth, Vita is doing much better than Wii U in Japan now (hardware & software sales, software support). Wii U is effectively dead: 14.330 copies of Donkey Kong Country Tropical Freeze were sold in Japan last week (its second week; the game was released 13 days ago).

[trap15]

DKC isn't a Japanese-targetted series though.

[Octopod]

The point is that there never was as much interest in Wii U, even when it was just launched. Oh, and for what it's worth, Vita is doing much better than Wii U in Japan now (hardware & software sales, software support). Wii U is effectively dead: 14.330 copies of Donkey Kong Country Tropical Freeze were sold in Japan last week (its second week; the game was released 13 days ago).

It is effectively dead everywhere unless you like Nintendo games because that is pretty much all it is going to get besides indies/eShop titles. My original 'point' was that I was just wondering if sells will stay decent for the PS4 or if Japan really is primarily a handheld/mobile market now. The Wii U had a really good launch in NA and Japan but we see what happened after that. Obviously nobody knows at this point but it will be interesting to see.

[Drum]

PS4 sales are going to drop off a cliff in Japan, at least in the short term. Software support isn't there, and first week software sales were pretty terrible.

[Pretas]

I think it's clear that the transition from PS3 to PS4 in Japan will be an incredibly prolonged and difficult one, more so than with any prior launch of a new follow-up console. Very few JPN developers will be able to cope with the latest increases to development time and production costs, and the PS3's installed base of users is large and deeply entrenched. Nearly all major game releases on PS4 will remain cross-generational for a long time. I expect the PS3 to continue to be a reasonably active and viable platform in Japan through the end of 2015 and beyond.

Even the PSP (turning 10 years old this year) is still alive in Japan, although it's been taken over by otome visual novels.

[brentsg]

The point is that there never was as much interest in Wii U, even when it was just launched. Oh, and for what it's worth, Vita is doing much better than Wii U in Japan now (hardware & software sales, software support). Wii U is effectively dead: 14.330 copies of Donkey Kong Country Tropical Freeze were sold in Japan last week (its second week; the game was released 13 days ago).

Regardless, DKC is still a lot more fun than most games on PS4 at this point.

[BryanM]

DKC isn't a Japanese-targetted series though.

In the olde SNES days they made up 1/3rd of its sales. The Wii version, they made up ~1/6th. From growth in other markets and some small shrinkage in their own. I suppose from there being fewer kids around the place.

Nearly all major game releases on PS4 will remain cross-generational for a long time.

If not forever. I mean seriously, what's the difference.

Remember the old days when a new console enabled the creation of games that were impossible to make before? The portables are the only thing remotely close to that kind of growth. And somehow accomplish that while keeping under $400.

For $400 in 2014, I expect to get a hot robot woman who'll competently play Monster Hunter with me while rubbing my feet. Yes, a sexy four-armed android. Those are my (reasonable) expectations of reality.

It's failed me. Badly.

Oh, and for what it's worth, Vita is doing much better than Wii U in Japan now (hardware & software sales, software support).

Yes, we already know about their visual novel niche. It's very nice and very pretty and very, super strange you never bitch about stuff like how we aren't going to get a port for Chaos;Child when it comes out.

Unfortunately we'll still have to continue to disregard your Super Special Pleading, as we don't live in Japan. We live in The World.

(Full disclosure: Last week I had a nightmare I had bought a Wii U. I blame That One for that, completely.)

[system11]

I think it's clear that the transition from PS3 to PS4 in Japan will be an incredibly prolonged and difficult one, more so than with any prior launch of a new follow-up console. Very few JPN developers will be able to cope with the latest increases to development time and production costs, and the PS3's installed base of users is large and deeply entrenched. Nearly all major game releases on PS4 will remain cross-generational for a long time. I expect the PS3 to continue to be a reasonably active and viable platform in Japan through the end of 2015 and beyond.

Even the PSP (turning 10 years old this year) is still alive in Japan, although it's been taken over by otome visual novels.

Actually the development costs should be lower if they target games of the exact quality they already produce because of no more complicated Cell technology. AAA gaming which does increase costs in line with hardware ability is something most of Japan seemed to abandon years ago.

Last night I played the JP PS4 killer app, the Final Fantasy XIV beta. Yes I realise the game already exists on the PS3 but from reading around it appears that the PS3 version struggles to put it mildly to the point where it's detrimental to gameplay. I actually think this is why more consoles appeared to sell than games, it'd be interesting to get numbers for how many Japanese owners join the beta.

[Xyga]

Indeed.
Cheaper, easier to develop on, Japanese... historically they never liked that kind of platform over there.
It's sure to fail hard.

[trap15]

Except for all the consoles that dominated their generation and were the most simple of the group. Hm, now which ones were those?

Spoiler

NES, SNES, PS1, Wii

[Xyga]

I was being sarcastic actually.

[brownvim]

Sony have sold 6 Million PS4s, they tweeted it today.

[Skykid]

Sony have sold 6 Million PS4s, they tweeted it today.

Sad.

I was hoping this generation would be shunned by people refusing to pay for the same games they've been playing for the last ten years, forcing the next great video gaming crash and putting major developers out of business.

Instead of having to rebuild from the ashes using pioneering creativity, the consumer has voted for more commercial multi-million dollar franchises, prolonging the decomposition of an already festering corpse.

In other stories, the value of PCB collections are set to grow exponentially.

[replayme]

I disagree with this. Namely because of Sony's much publicised indie publishing initiative.

Now Nintendo on the other hand...

[system11]

I was hoping this generation would be shunned by people refusing to pay for the same games they've been playing for the last ten years, forcing the next great video gaming crash and putting major developers out of business.

Because shmups have not been the same Cave game over and over for the last 10+ years

A video gaming crash would just legitimise the opinions of imbeciles who think f2p on mobile is the only way forward or confine gaming only to PCs, neither of which I'm interested in suffering.

[replayme]

Yeah... I'm all in favour of Pro Choice. If modern games don't rock your boat, just go back to the dark ages and play your old systems. Personally, I'm all in favour of experiencing a variety of games (both high and low budget) from a machine that allows creators to realise their visions. All in the name of Progress.

[Friendly]

Sony have sold 6 Million PS4s, they tweeted it today.

Sad.

I was hoping this generation would be shunned by people refusing to pay for the same games they've been playing for the last ten years, forcing the next great video gaming crash and putting major developers out of business.

Instead of having to rebuild from the ashes using pioneering creativity, the consumer has voted for more commercial multi-million dollar franchises, prolonging the decomposition of an already festering corpse.

In other stories, the value of PCB collections are set to grow exponentially.

And the award for Most Inane Post of the Year goes to: Skykid.
Runner up: RegalSin.

[replayme]

Skykid is usually pretty intelligent - even if his posts do appear to be somewhat dogmatic at times. Today however, I just think he's having a bad day.

[Skykid]

And the award for Most Inane Post of the Year goes to: Skykid.

Sorry, sorry. Let me try again.


NEW GAME NO-ONE CARES ABOUT ON SONY PLATFORM BEING RELEASED SOMETIME IN THE NEAR FUTURE

*INSERT YOUTUBE LINK HERE*




/Shill

[evil_ash_xero]

I was hoping this generation would be shunned by people refusing to pay for the same games they've been playing for the last ten years, forcing the next great video gaming crash and putting major developers out of business.

Because shmups have not been the same Cave game over and over for the last 10+ years

A video gaming crash would just legitimise the opinions of imbeciles who think f2p on mobile is the only way forward or confine gaming only to PCs, neither of which I'm interested in suffering.

I just wish Japanese gaming would get back on it's feet. I'm hoping that maybe Sony doing so well right now might help some...at least a little. But probably not.

You'd think with all this cash flow they could finish the Last Guardian, at least.

[system11]

That was my hope, that the PS4 would sell well enough to encourage Japanese developers to make some new games.

[Skykid]

You'd think with all this cash flow they could finish the Last Guardian, at least.

Man, I really wished you hadn't reminded me of that one's death. I'd done a good job of forgetting about it, and all accompanying hope.

[charlie chong]

In other stories, the value of PCB collections are set to grow exponentially.

i think you need to admit this is all you really care about i know you think you are an expert in games but most people here know you just used other peoples knowledge of games to make yourself a shopping list.
cave are just as bad as electronic arts(whether you like the games or not) and if you can't accept that fact you are a deluded retro idiot.

[Friendly]

By the way: So far, PS4 is the fastest selling home console in videogame history.

Best news for Sony is that most likely PS4 is profitable already. Before PS4 was launched, Sony said that because the hardware would be sold at a slight loss at first, they'd need to sell 1 game per console in order to make a profit. They just announced that 13.7 million PS4 games have been sold so far, which means the attach rate currently is 2.3 (with 6 million PS4s sold).

Well deserved.

[Casey120]

Damn those fucking rehashes .

PS,

Any word on a possible DoDonpachi KaiSaiDauOuJou ??


I grab that PS4 instantly when the next RDR or Skyrim is on the horizon, can't wait

[Friendly]

Skykid is usually pretty intelligent - even if his posts do appear to be somewhat dogmatic at times. Today however, I just think he's having a bad day.

[citation needed]

[Skykid]

In other stories, the value of PCB collections are set to grow exponentially.

i think you need to admit this is all you really care about i know you think you are an expert in games but most people here know you just used other peoples knowledge of games to make yourself a shopping list.

Lay off the drugs.

Skykid is usually pretty intelligent - even if his posts do appear to be somewhat dogmatic at times. Today however, I just think he's having a bad day.

[citation needed]

Bravo. Your humour is as dull and colourless as the rest of your forum contributions. We should get you some kind of award.

[Ed Oscuro]

I like how Skykid's suggestion that people should not buy games they really can't give a toss about really burns your ass, Friendly. Speaking of inane, the mind boggles at how you could take issue with just another routine expression of frustration at the stagnation in many games. It's not your money, dude.

[Citation needed] outside of Wikipedia discussions is so 2009. Friendly humor? That's an oxymoron.

[Skykid]

[Citation needed] outside of Wikipedia discussions is so 2009. Friendly humor? That's an oxymoron.

How true.

[Ed Oscuro]

At the risk of piling on, I want to point something out:
- tries to police choices between the Xbox One and PS4 for our own good
- suggest that the whole game is rigged and the only smart move is not to play? No way!

Maybe it's not hypocritical, just unprincipled.