neorichieb1971 wrote:
Seems a shame that HDMizer will not support RGB and the OSSC doesn't have the overall design down. If the market is so niche why not get these guys talking to each other?
There has been a couple contacts regarding potential co-operation, but it's not easy to put together devices with dissimilar targets and people with different schedules.
Why is time a concern? Surely getting a nice casing, HDMI, audio throughput is a bonus for you. And for them, they get your expertise to boost their R+D to 80% without doing anything. I personally think if you cut down the amount of options you want the OSSC to support your life would be easier as well. I don't think for a second they will ignore your work anyway. Its a bit hard to start from scratch when someone else has done most of the work.
I wasn't referring to any specific group/device, nor I was ruling out the possibility of a joint operation. However, just adding HDMI audio to OSSC hw and putting into a nice box could make it more attractive to some people, but it wouldn't solve the compatibility issues or add much new to the result. Higher compatibility and completely new features require non-trivial amount of research first, and currently I barely have time to add the missing features to current OSSC fw.
neorichieb1971 wrote:
On another note. These profiles on the OSSC, are they the same regardless of output cable utilized?
eg. Do I use the same profile for component as I do for SCART from the same console?
The plan is to make a profile a container for all settings (including modified timing parameters). Instead on just saving settings as it is now, you'll be saving them under profile "0", "1", etc. You don't thus need a separate profile for different cable types / inputs, but it's still possible to use them that way if you want.
Why has your device made something incompatible if it was compatible without your device? Its just an honest question.
This industry has become 2 dimensional as it transcended into a 3D world.
marqs wrote:Go to Sampling opt.->Adv. timing, and select the mode you want to edit with <- and -> (current mode is pre-selected) and press enter.
Thanks for the reply marqs, greatly appreciate it. Keep doing what you're doing, look forward to future FW updates and the OSSC has been a dream so far.
neorichieb1971 wrote:I'm already on the mailing list. Not received anything yet (no news regarding for sale items anyway).
Love the sarcasm regarding the pictures folks. I already have my consoles I don't need anymore.
why not just get a tv with svideo or something and use that, then?
I know what I said. I want whatever product I buy to be the end all of all RGB products. This product has the potential to be that if it ticked a few more boxes. It may already have bypassed the stage where you will never need another box. But it still has a couple of unchecked boxes and I just feel that I'd rather buy it with all the tick boxes than 90% of them.
The 1.0 version shouldn't be released if the v1.1 is 6 months away. And if the v1.5 is the last version, you should be able to get to 1.5 from 1.0.
My no1 issue with this device it that is has zero fit to any of my racks. Its an odd shape box with cables coming of its ears and nose and mouth with a big light house light on it. If you look at youtubes people have them plugged in anywhere with cables going all over the place. That to me is not a professional product. And I realize its a not professional product because its a fan made product. But damn it, its so close to perfection its almost a sin not to go the whole way. This thing looks like a prototype that got to the floor.
Its a shame people don't want to see an end product like I do. Unfortunately others peoples glory moment is my frustration and yes my cup is half empty.
This industry has become 2 dimensional as it transcended into a 3D world.
neorichieb1971 wrote:I'm already on the mailing list. Not received anything yet (no news regarding for sale items anyway).
Love the sarcasm regarding the pictures folks. I already have my consoles I don't need anymore.
why not just get a tv with svideo or something and use that, then?
I know what I said. I want whatever product I buy to be the end all of all RGB products. This product has the potential to be that if it ticked a few more boxes. It may already have bypassed the stage where you will never need another box. But it still has a couple of unchecked boxes and I just feel that I'd rather buy it with all the tick boxes than 90% of them.
The 1.0 version shouldn't be released if the v1.1 is 6 months away. And if the v1.5 is the last version, you should be able to get to 1.5 from 1.0.
My no1 issue with this device it that is has zero fit to any of my racks. Its an odd shape box with cables coming of its ears and nose and mouth with a big light house light on it. If you look at youtubes people have them plugged in anywhere with cables going all over the place. That to me is not a professional product. And I realize its a not professional product because its a fan made product. But damn it, its so close to perfection its almost a sin not to go the whole way. This thing looks like a prototype that got to the floor.
Its a shame people don't want to see an end product like I do. Unfortunately others peoples glory moment is my frustration and yes my cup is half empty.
Perfection?
What is it?
What about my CGA IBM, Apple //gs, and Laser 128ex2? Will the OSSC get those devices on a modern display?
EGA? Good thing this is just a simulator!
No.
I have a stack of Extron and Kramer processors for a reason. Perfect would line double and scale anything to HDMI.
Well the unit is closer to perfection for me than it is for you.
I only want to use it on mainstream consoles. From what i've read and seen i'm very happy with the performance and I cannot fault it. But on the side of aesthetics it leaves much to be desired. A consolized unit would be much better for me, and this project looks more like a supergun.
Anyway, I'm just putting my opinion across. I know things take time and baby steps and all that. But for £160+ this isn't introductory level line doubling, this is almost luxury entertainment. There are lots of products which perform inferior but look better and cost a quarter of the price.
I am the only one that see's this.
This industry has become 2 dimensional as it transcended into a 3D world.
Probably, but the OSSC hardware style matches that of my gscartsw, TORO, SLG3000, SLG HD= YUV, and SLG SCART. I understand the distaste of the device not conforming to your commercially produced products which you already own but I find those cold/hard and without soul. I'd much rather ogle my hobbyist devices than my VP50 Pro but then again it is what it is. Apples and oranges.
Also,
There are lots of products which perform inferior but look better and cost a quarter of the price.
They cost a quarter of the price for a reason. Function over fashion my friend, the substance of life most people ignore.
neorichieb1971 wrote:Well the unit is closer to perfection for me than it is for you.
I only want to use it on mainstream consoles. From what i've read and seen i'm very happy with the performance and I cannot fault it. But on the side of aesthetics it leaves much to be desired. A consolized unit would be much better for me, and this project looks more like a supergun.
Anyway, I'm just putting my opinion across. I know things take time and baby steps and all that. But for £160+ this isn't introductory level line doubling, this is almost luxury entertainment. There are lots of products which perform inferior but look better and cost a quarter of the price.
I am the only one that see's this.
Have you considered buying a rack mountable unit on the cheap, gutting it, and installing the OSSC? As far as performance to cost, you said it yourself: cheaper products are inferior. You get what you pay for here less an aesthetic.
neorichieb1971 wrote:Well the unit is closer to perfection for me than it is for you.
I only want to use it on mainstream consoles. From what i've read and seen i'm very happy with the performance and I cannot fault it. But on the side of aesthetics it leaves much to be desired. A consolized unit would be much better for me, and this project looks more like a supergun.
Anyway, I'm just putting my opinion across. I know things take time and baby steps and all that. But for £160+ this isn't introductory level line doubling, this is almost luxury entertainment. There are lots of products which perform inferior but look better and cost a quarter of the price.
I am the only one that see's this.
Have you considered buying a rack mountable unit on the cheap, gutting it, and installing the OSSC? As far as performance to cost, you said it yourself: cheaper products are inferior. You get what you pay for here less an aesthetic.
I can do that. But so can the bodies building this product. They can work with a partner to get a standardized casing for this OSSC with the relevant inputs and outputs put on it. You could ask Micomsoft in Japan if they would consider helping with a casing for the OSSC if that had exclusive selling rights for the OSSC in Japan.
There are literally tons of ways you can get this product up to spec without pushing the cost up to the customer. What we have here is a master of engineering, but no business knowledge. And personally I am sick and tired of reading about RGB products that cost a lot and miss out on key focus points. And I believe the design of this box is a key focus point that is being missed.
This industry has become 2 dimensional as it transcended into a 3D world.
neorichieb1971 wrote:I can do that. But so can the bodies building this product. They can work with a partner to get a standardized casing for this OSSC with the relevant inputs and outputs put on it. You could ask Micomsoft in Japan if they would consider helping with a casing for the OSSC if that had exclusive selling rights for the OSSC in Japan.
Coming from the Framemeister, I'd say Micomsoft definitively isn't the company to ask for help with casings
neorichieb1971 wrote:They can work with a partner to get a standardized casing for this OSSC with the relevant inputs and outputs put on it.
For having been there I assure you those offering even half decent custom orders at affordable prices aren't just around the corner, even less so when you're only talking a few hundred pieces, even thousands.
neorichieb1971 wrote:I can do that. But so can the bodies building this product. They can work with a partner to get a standardized casing for this OSSC with the relevant inputs and outputs put on it. You could ask Micomsoft in Japan if they would consider helping with a casing for the OSSC if that had exclusive selling rights for the OSSC in Japan.
Coming from the Framemeister, I'd say Micomsoft definitively isn't the company to ask for help with casings
Their other devices aren't that well designed either if you want rack mounting and don't want cables coming from different directions.
Plus you know, I doubt getting to sell a competing product is much incentive for Micomsoft to help, they would probably rather put out a better product they control entirely.
For having been there I assure you those offering even half decent custom orders at affordable prices aren't just around the corner, even less so when you're only talking a few hundred pieces, even thousands.
Yeah reminds me of when RetroRGB spent a ton of time and money trying to get a full metal enclosure for the GScart switch. He got prototypes made up and everything but in the end he just called it quits, just too expensive and everyone wanted super high volume orders.
There are literally tons of ways you can get this product up to spec without pushing the cost up to the customer.
Do tell me these tons of ways we can add features to a unit without increasing the cost of it, clearly we can benefit from your business genius here
neorichieb1971 wrote:
I can do that. But so can the bodies building this product. They can work with a partner to get a standardized casing for this OSSC with the relevant inputs and outputs put on it. You could ask Micomsoft in Japan if they would consider helping with a casing for the OSSC if that had exclusive selling rights for the OSSC in Japan.
There are literally tons of ways you can get this product up to spec without pushing the cost up to the customer. What we have here is a master of engineering, but no business knowledge. And personally I am sick and tired of reading about RGB products that cost a lot and miss out on key focus points. And I believe the design of this box is a key focus point that is being missed.
Honestly it feels as though you're simply trolling at this stage.
Why would Micomsoft, who themselves are a niche electronics manufacturer 'help' out a DIY hobbyist making a competitive product? Where's this business knowledge that you're talking about?
Lord of Pirates wrote:Someone correct me if I'm wrong here: Wouldn't additional inputs require a different FPGA which probably costs more money because it has more inputs?
It's not a matter of the FPGA having "more inputs", it is the choice of analog video digitizer (ADC) IC used by the OSSC, which is the TVP7002. Read the datasheet - http://www.ti.com/lit/ds/symlink/tvp7002.pdf
Lord of Pirates wrote:Someone correct me if I'm wrong here: Wouldn't additional inputs require a different FPGA which probably costs more money because it has more inputs?
It's not a matter of the FPGA having "more inputs", it is the choice of analog video digitizer (ADC) IC used by the OSSC, which is the TVP7002. Read the datasheet - http://www.ti.com/lit/ds/symlink/tvp7002.pdf
Thanks for the info. I'll pass on reading a 50+ page datasheet though.
neorichieb1971 wrote:
I can do that. But so can the bodies building this product. They can work with a partner to get a standardized casing for this OSSC with the relevant inputs and outputs put on it. You could ask Micomsoft in Japan if they would consider helping with a casing for the OSSC if that had exclusive selling rights for the OSSC in Japan.
There are literally tons of ways you can get this product up to spec without pushing the cost up to the customer. What we have here is a master of engineering, but no business knowledge. And personally I am sick and tired of reading about RGB products that cost a lot and miss out on key focus points. And I believe the design of this box is a key focus point that is being missed.
Honestly it feels as though you're simply trolling at this stage.
Why would Micomsoft, who themselves are a niche electronics manufacturer 'help' out a DIY hobbyist making a competitive product? Where's this business knowledge that you're talking about?
Why is asking for a better product trolling?
Am I the only person that is a potential customer that doesn't care if this comes on a lolly pop stick?
This industry has become 2 dimensional as it transcended into a 3D world.
Asking for a better product isn't trolling. Saying that it's easy to make a better product ("There are literally tons of ways you can get this product up to spec") and implying that the existing product isn't "up to spec" cause its creator has no business knowledge is.
Indeed, the design is open source, if you feel you can do better then please go right ahead with our blessing. I'd actually really like to see an OSSC in a rackmount case myself.
If it's only about the missing case, you could simply make your own one. There are plenty of 3D printing providers online who will build a case after your design. Just place the connectors on the rear side and you're fine.
The OSSC has connectors on three sides, a custom case with the connectors on the rear would require either passthrough cables or a new board design. If you don't need the VGA input, you could get away with a single passthrough cable (DVI). If you have the audio board installed, you could simplify that conversion by putting a panel-mount HDMI port on the case, connected to a short (like 6") ultra-slim HDMI cable, connected to a DVI-to-HDMI adapter, connected to the OSSC DVI output.
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