I don't think people have been uttering the word "authentic" on the previous page. "Prefered" is what you'll see mentionned.blizzz wrote:Calling one palette more authentic than another, when they only have tiny differences, doesn't make a lot of sense to me.
This is key! Some like me are using CRTs and only want as close to composite no matter how dim or off-color it looks since the screen will make up for it. For instance, the SMB sky on my CRT with Unsaturated v6 appears how I always remembered it with little to no purple. I still find some of the colors a bit too hot though which is what makes me lean towards NESCAP. That said, others are using flatscreens, and of course they don't want a dim image with colors they don't remember, which I think begs the case for a legit CRT-styled palette. So rethinking my previous statement, my ultimate imaginary firmware would be:FinalBaton wrote:Besides, the "close to original" palettes, like NESCAP and Nostalgia, only serve a part of the market. Other people will want a more vibrant palette.
Also : there as been like 3 people saying that. 3 people. it's not a big chunk of the market there.
Nice, looking forward to checking it out!FBX wrote:I've spent several hours re-calibrating Framemeister settings to match NESCAP. Turns out I had to turn pedestal back on and then adjust brightness up to 35 compensate. I then turned gamma completely off, and saturation down to 23. It's now looking almost indistinguishable from NESCAP. I'm going to get some sleep and then finish it when I get back up.
That will get you nowhere in life, nowhere. If you are ever feeling down just know that we are here to help. Well at least most of us... I can't speak for some of the clowns on this forum.FBX wrote:My apologies for getting upset the other night. Bad bout of depression followed by a little too much to drink.
That's a little much, don't you think?GeneraLight wrote:with no insight on NES Palettes.
Rather than tweaking all the Framemeister settings, might it be worth waiting for the new capture hardware you mentioned on your page so that you can capture directly from the Composite signal? Just thought it may help prevent confusion with too many palettes.FBX wrote:I've spent several hours re-calibrating Framemeister settings to match NESCAP. Turns out I had to turn pedestal back on and then adjust brightness up to 35 compensate. I then turned gamma completely off, and saturation down to 23. It's now looking almost indistinguishable from NESCAP. I'm going to get some sleep and then finish it when I get back up.
Probably we'll never know, but A: people kept claiming it looked better, and B: I wanted to see if it was even possible to capture the same results. The Framemeister has one hell of a lot of variables to contend with, but it's a testament to its capabilities that I was even able to get that close. Although it really couldn't be done without the Pedestal option. That's the only thing that swings the hues into alignment such that Castlevania's stage two bricks look accurate to original hardware.austin532 wrote:Pretty damn close. Seems like the blues give the most trouble. Why are you trying to match NESCAP though? I know people like it but can we verify that his is 100%? I doubt it.
But do you actually play with low brightness and saturation on a CRT? I modified a screenshot to match what I see on my CRT when playing my AV Famicom in Composite.nakedarthur wrote:This is key! Some like me are using CRTs and only want as close to composite no matter how dim or off-color it looks since the screen will make up for it. For instance, the SMB sky on my CRT with Unsaturated v6 appears how I always remembered it with little to no purple.
I realized years ago that trying to mimic CRT colors was an even worse lost cause. There are just too many variables, and no one CRT's color output will look the same compared to the next, much less how people perceive the color that glows from the screen. My goal from the beginning was to leave such subjective palettes for others to obsess over, whereas what comes out of the NES deck itself should in theory be a more approachable prospect. It's still a bit interpretive, but at least there's a general idea of what the color ranges fall into. With CRT guess work, everything is up in the air.blizzz wrote:But do you actually play with low brightness and saturation on a CRT? I modified a screenshot to match what I see on my CRT when playing my AV Famicom in Composite.nakedarthur wrote:This is key! Some like me are using CRTs and only want as close to composite no matter how dim or off-color it looks since the screen will make up for it. For instance, the SMB sky on my CRT with Unsaturated v6 appears how I always remembered it with little to no purple.
Vs Nostalgia in an emulator:
yes. when playing on a good RGB CRT you certainly do. Games on there look a tad more vivid than on an LCD, which is why you want a more somber palette. A bright palette is overkill on a CRT.blizzz wrote:But do you actually play with low brightness and saturation on a CRT?
Sorry, I was wrong, read my post just a little further down where I scratch my head in agony. Unsat v6 on my CRT looks much closer to the bottom one, not the top. I was thinking it was the tube itself making the difference, so if you input a perfect composite RGB palette into a CRT it would replicate something similar to the top shot. I still need to test with an unmodded NES on the same TV to confirm, but I think the magic is actually happening in the circuitry that converts the NTSC signal, with each device interpretting it differently (including Framemeister). So basically when you plug up a composite NES to a CRT, the guns aren't getting FBX's colors to draw on the screen, it's something different.blizzz wrote:But do you actually play with low brightness and saturation on a CRT? I modified a screenshot to match what I see on my CRT when playing my AV Famicom in Composite.nakedarthur wrote:This is key! Some like me are using CRTs and only want as close to composite no matter how dim or off-color it looks since the screen will make up for it. For instance, the SMB sky on my CRT with Unsaturated v6 appears how I always remembered it with little to no purple.
Vs Nostalgia in an emulator:
It doesn't sound likely everyone's red gun would be gone just enough to remember a certain bright sky blue. And CRTs are known for their color accuracy, so it can't be the case that the tube can't display a common RGB color. More likely the NTSC decoder is shifting hues differently. Maybe it would be possible to tap into the composite signal after it's been decoded into RGB but before it reaches guns..austin532 wrote:That's what it would look like if the CRT was perfect. As we all know CRT's age and the red electron gun is usually the first to go.
Also, I wonder if the Top Loader has a slightly different palette. We know it can only do RF so the colors will definitely look different.
CRTs CAN show the ugly purple if they want, but it's being decoded differently.
I'm not saying the purple isn't correct in the authorial sense, but if others like myself experienced with the shifted hues, then that will always be correct to us. It just seems like everyone's been told their memory or equipment is faulty when that's not the case.bobrocks95 wrote:One of the Hue settings is correct though, use SMPTE color bars and a blue filter/blue gun only setting to check.
And I guess it should be reiterated for the billionth time that Miyamoto intended the sky to have a purplish color...
