GamerGate - and it's continuing aftermath.

[evil_ash_xero]

It kind of reminds me of old rock magazine interviews.
They would interview someone, and butcher them at the same time. And the rock star wouldn't know until the article came out.

The British liked to do this a lot.

[evil_ash_xero]

Anyone seen the new Mirror's Edge design?

She certainly looks a lot more manly than she used to. Sarkeesian had input on this, I do believe. It's not like the character was sexualized, to begin with, so I don't know why they had to inject her with testosterone.

[Squire Grooktook]

I like the old design better, but I don't see a big difference tbh. It just looks less stylized, but not more manly?.

[Skykid]

To be blunt, less attractive.

[Satan]

It's like paying a Sirius sub for Opie & Anthony and getting offended by retard jokes.

[mamboFoxtrot]

Just looks more Caucasian/generic to me. Like a lot of runway models or actresses or whatever. "Injected with testosterone" is a massive overstatement.

Please don't tell me people are trying to actually make a deal out of this.

[evil_ash_xero]

"Make a deal"...no. Just some jokes here and there.

Personally, she just looks a lot less Asian. And less attractive, yes.

It's not a big deal....the game's content is what will matter. I don't follow the series, so I will just have to hear what people say. I am curious what kind of gender politics (if any) have been put into the game.

[BryanM]

Sarkeesian had input on this, I do believe.

Yes, just like she had input on the porn I just fapped to and breakfast cereal I chose to eat. And what kind of dog I got. And the economic policies of George Burns.

You're not one of those people who signed the petition to get her kicked off a development team she was never on in the first place, are you? Keep chasing that pink dragon.

[Squire Grooktook]

IIRC Wasn't one of Anita's hot button issues that female action heroines are just "men with tits"? Seems like she'd be the last one to demand a masculine make-over.

[evil_ash_xero]

Yes, just like she had input on the porn I just fapped to and breakfast cereal I chose to eat. And what kind of dog I got. And the economic policies of George Burns.

You're not one of those people who signed the petition to get her kicked off a development team she was never on in the first place, are you? Keep chasing that pink dragon.

Take a deep breath, and relax. It'll be OK.

[MR_Soren]

Anita will complain about any project where she was not a paid consultant because her job is inventing complaints to get clicks and consulting gigs. The only proper solution is to completely ignore her, not talk about her, and hope others eventually figure it out and do the same.

[BryanM]

Take a deep breath, and relax. It'll be OK.

No it won't. Not with this super godlike yet completely unreasonable woman constantly judging and controlling every moment of my life.

How can you say something so insensitive to this manputer? I can't even take a shower. There's too many boy parts in there.

[Satan]

Fucking feminists are hilarious - embrace smoking as female liberation, celebrate morbid obesity as a victory for women, campaign to be enslaved for equality while caring for their families is regarded as slavery and drudgery. It's almost enough to make you want to avoid most women. The elites and their foundations have scored a huge victory over the rest of us with this bullshit.

[evil_ash_xero]

I kind of think FF and the other SJWs are going to kill their support, by going full Jack Thompson. The tweets about violence at E3, are not going to get much support, in the gaming community. They tried that already.

But I knew they had this issue, but people seemed to ignore it. Now they're really breaking out their megaphones, so hopefully people will realize that perhaps these folks aren't so hot for games.

And directly attacking Bethesda's games...well, they can jot them on the list of publishers that are going to be privately against them.

[Satan]

Keep arguing about videogame gender roles while what little liberty you have is being eroded at an increasingly rapid pace. Brilliant.

[BIL]

WILL SOMEONE PLEASE THINK OF THE PEOPLE BEING CUT IN HALF BY CHAINSAWS AT E3

[Satan]

Oh sweet baby Jesus I wish someone would just throttle that stupid fucking bint.

[BIL]

Oh ho ho, look what depravity id has in store for us next! I like the fatality where you force a man to bite another man's testicles off at gunpoint, shaweeet. I thought shooting slavering hellbeast #352354 was scintillating but now I'm chugging down a cold Dew and chomping Doritos in excitement.

I honestly wonder if people who've a problem with DOOM etc's little punching bag box garden world are either retarded or brain-damaged in some capacity. I'm trying to be charitable - AFAIK the alternatives are being ignorant as pig shit about human nature and history, or willfully disingenuous.

I don't give one mothering fuck about gender SJW this or whatever, so I'm sorry if I've offended anyone here with the above - I'm just dreadfully amused these idiots are actually complaining about violence in DOOM of all things. DOOM, seriously?

[Satan]

There's this thing called freedom of choice. If you don't like it, do something else instead - maybe cream teas.

[Sly Cherry Chunks]

You can't commit violence against Doom's bad guys.

Violence = evil + power and demons from hell have all the evil.

[Obscura]

Bethesda should totally print "This level of extreme violence shouldn’t be considered normal. It's not an excuse to say it’s expected because DOOM. That’s the problem #BE3" on the box for Doom 4, right next to the rest of the "praise from critics" quotes. Best endorsement ever.

On the other hand, that Mirror's Edge re-design is an obvious case of "hey guys, we're making use of next-gen hardware to create a more detailed and 'realistic' character model!" No need to try to read any deeper into it.

[Mischief Maker]

For the record, I don't believe Sarkeesian is serious. I think she's successfully found a niche and is milking it for all the donations she can get. When she saw the violence in that Doom trailer she pumped her fist and said, "Cha-ching!" Same as Rush Limbaugh did each time Obama was elected.

[louisg]

Wow, I'm always amazed at how dumb FemFreq is. I'm super liberal, a huge believer in social justice, I consider myself a feminist, but holy shit hahaha. It's such a schtick. I'm just disappointed more people don't see right through it.

Seriously, did I somehow fall into a time warp and wake up in 1998?

[system11]

Unfortunately, she has a big chunk of gamers who spend too much time thinking about the wrong things, eating out of her hand at this point. Masterfully played since they even funded it.

My problem isn't really people supporting her content, it's people on the agenda train who can only see every aspect of gaming in terms of that agenda. For example on neogaf in the past day or so we've had two example threads.

One - a thread saying "doesn't it seem like there was better female representation at this E3 including gaming characters and presenters". Well - no, actually it didn't seem unusual. There were women presenting and playing last time too, and the time before that. There might have been a small change in the number of games with a female lead, but really - that's just natural variation, we've seen this before. They see it as a victory for inclusion and equality because they /want/ to see it that way, even though it's simply business as usual after one previously less interesting year.

Two - a thread asking who feels uncomfortable playing as a black character. I mean .. are you fucking serious? Who is going to answer that truthfully if they do? Why was this posted? To gain lots of "no, it doesn't bother me" posts so that the poster can believe they're changing the world - there is no other possible outcome from it. Why even feel the need? Most gamers don't give a flying fuck and never really have. The example raised is that shitty game which lets people create a representation of themselves and then forces a random race - the problem there isn't forced diversity, it's forcing people to pick something to identify them, which isn't them. This is totally different to playing a black character or a Polish (?) character in GTA for example, something a great many of us have done and we didn't care, because the story was about that character.

The desperate need to have their views validated as solving a wide reaching problem leads to problematic behaviour itself, while the views or opinions themselves aren't.

I don't even agree with them that much. Anyone who played CoD Ghosts, a series representing the brogamer in its purest form, will know just how many default female soldiers were running around the maps. First character unlocked was a female. For several months (until I stopped playing it in favour of Battlefield) the majority of multi-player avatars were the default female character. You know why? Because people just didn't care, because a majority of gamers are not racist and sexist.

On the other side, I also think gamergate is a confused non-thing without any kind of identity or purpose, and it's so linked with trolls at this point that it's better to let whatever it was supposed to have been, die.

[evil_ash_xero]

GamerGate is the only thing that has done anything to slow down SJWs completely winning.

It doesn't need to die.

This is the age out outrage. There should be MORE stands against this garbage.

It's not like it will go away, if any resistance gives up. Every day, on Yahoo, all I get are threads about sexist shit, offensive blah blah...it goes on and on and on.
I'm not going to stop bitching, until they lay off a bit. It's way out of hand.

Maybe people should tell them to "let it go".

[system11]

I do.

[louisg]

Unfortunately, she has a big chunk of gamers who spend too much time thinking about the wrong things, eating out of her hand at this point. Masterfully played since they even funded it.

My problem isn't really people supporting her content, it's people on the agenda train who can only see every aspect of gaming in terms of that agenda. For example on neogaf in the past day or so we've had two example threads.

I don't think I could agree more with system11. People online I've noticed who claim to be interested in social justice-- especially people who are into SJ who are privileged themselves-- tend to see everything through a narrow lens where every single event is framed in terms of it. And, well, I've had it with people like that. I want more diversity. That's always a good thing. But this is NOT the way to do it.

One - a thread saying "doesn't it seem like there was better female representation at this E3 including gaming characters and presenters". Well - no, actually it didn't seem unusual. There were women presenting and playing last time too, and the time before that. There might have been a small change in the number of games with a female lead, but really - that's just natural variation, we've seen this before. They see it as a victory for inclusion and equality because they /want/ to see it that way, even though it's simply business as usual after one previously less interesting year.

...though, hmm, I don't remember that many female presenters from E3 at least last couple years. I do remember a Microsoft event where the guy promoting his game embarrassed a female employee in front of the entire audience, which was not cool. If you can find a link, lemme know, because I'm always interested in shooting down these half-truths.

evil_ash_xero, I don't think Gamer Gate is positive. I think the majority of people involved in it are well-intentioned, but I have to say that a lot of the times the arguments don't make much sense and are every bit as half-truthy (if not more-so!) as the people they're combating. That, and as system11 said, it's been so linked with trolls from the get-go that I don't think it has much of a shot in terms of its reputation or integrity. I can't believe people in that scene will team up with people like Milo Yiannopoulos who, in prior years, penned editorials which were viciously anti-nerd. And now he buddies up to them pretending to be their friend. I'd run far far away from that if I were you.

For example:
http://www.breitbart.com/london/2014/05 ... -a-madman/
"It’s those movies and games that provided the contextual framework for his crimes" . . . "If you close your eyes while listening to his creepy, narcissistic videos, it’s almost as if you’re listening to the pre-game voiceover from any one of a thousand violent computer games, such as Duke Nukem or Grand Theft Auto" . . . "It’s clear what’s going on: for this dorky loner, video games had become an alternate reality in a terrifyingly literal sense. . . . Counterstrike, which together with Halo and the ubiquitous World of Warcraft are mentioned frequently in Rodger’s manifesto, is the classic frustrated sociopath’s pastime."

Weird that as the right and left get more extreme that they are almost indistinguishable, isn't it?

[Bananamatic]

gamergate is a confused non-thing without any kind of identity or purpose

that makes it even less likely to die tbh

the current form of GG will exist as long as there are people willing to spend time arguing on the internet

[BryanM]

GamerGate is the only thing that has done anything to slow down SJWs completely winning.

Ash, let's review your accomplishments on this front this year. I have prepared this survey for you:

* Why do you hate complaining Single Jewish Women being allowed to live so goddamn much?

* Are you aware that I never, ever, ever, would have even heard about Sarkeesian if it wasn't for your efforts on this site?

* Are you aware that you've done a much better job spreading and selling her own message than her boring ass videos where she reads lists off of TVtropes ever could? If your goal was to silence the message of Single Jewish Women, you've done the exact opposite of that. They're not here. You are.

* What does this "winning" you're talking about even entail? Does it mean Sarkeesian commits suicide? Women everywhere have to wear burkas/stripper clothes? No one is allowed to talk about how a man punches a girl in the vagina at the start of Double Dragon and how that's used to establish the end boss as a coward? The only kinds of games being allowed to be made are murder simulators like Super Mario Brothers? What is this perfect utopia you're envisioning exactly, that requires videogames to accomplish?

[Ed Oscuro]

On the other side, I also think gamergate is a confused non-thing without any kind of identity or purpose, and it's so linked with trolls at this point that it's better to let whatever it was supposed to have been, die.

Up with you to the very end there - I think making journalism honest (which seems to be one of MM's main points) is still a good idea, even if lol video games. Like Occupy Wall Street, "GamerGate" is leaderless and therefore directionless to some degree. OWS supporters arguably agreed much more about what the problems were, and even there things got bogged down in politics and dissents.