What, a bit like you just attempted to do in your post?Deca wrote:What you're doing here is trying to pick apart my reply with semantics.
If they didn't spend $2000 on the premium ultra mega special collector's edition version, they're clearly not a TROO FAN and not nearly dedicated enough to the band to be even worth laughing at.bcass wrote:What I'm doing is highlighting how utterly fucking brainless it is to suggest that someone who dumps several thousand on a PCB is any more of a fan than anyone else who loves the games. Does someone who loves a particular album love that album any less because they bought it on tape instead of CD?
By all means, point out where I did this. All I did was elaborate on points I had made to accommodate your pedantic response.bcass wrote:What, a bit like you just attempted to do in your post?
I feel that someone who goes way out of their way to pick up an album on vinyl cares more about it than someone that grabbed it on itunes or pirated it and wouldn't have if they'd needed to put any effort into it. This doesn't mean that they can't enjoy and appreciate the music just as much and on the same level as someone that went out of their way to obtain it, but I would certainly consider the individual who did this and supported the band directly to be a bigger fan. I would say people that buy new PCBs can be split into two groups. The first is people that have a ton of money to throw around and want it as bragging rights, the second is people that won't settle for anything other than the original material and/or want to support the company in a very direct way.bcass wrote:Anyway, you're wrong. What I'm doing is highlighting how utterly fucking brainless it is to suggest that someone who dumps several thousand on a PCB is any more of a fan than anyone else who loves the games. Does someone who loves a particular album love that album any less because they bought it on tape instead of CD?
“Fly to live and shoot ‘em all!” – Manabu Namiki
...my sentiments exactly. It's the constraints of the arcade environment that have shaped my favourite games into what they are. The basic requirement to eat coins results in talented and experienced developers producing these testing but utterly compulsive games.emphatic wrote:My 2 cents:
The reason why their shmups are so good is because they're made for the arcades. Hardware limitations, difficulty settings etc, everything reflects the arcade setting, and that's at least why I love them. The best arrange modes could very well be true arcade games, just look at Mushihimesama Futari Arrange mode, that wouldn't be very popular in the arcades. If CAVE stops making their shmups for the arcades, their games will suffer greatly and hopefully they themselves know this as well.
No. What you did was exactly what you then went on to accuse me of.Deca wrote:By all means, point out where I did this. All I did was elaborate on points I had made to accommodate your pedantic response.bcass wrote:What, a bit like you just attempted to do in your post?
Then I can only assume you to be a highly superficial individual.Deca wrote:I feel that someone who goes way out of their way to pick up an album on vinyl cares more about it than someone that grabbed it on itunes or pirated it and wouldn't have if they'd needed to put any effort into it.
How much I care about or regard a game has nothing to do with my buying the PCB or not, or how much I paid for it. I view the 360 ports to be superior products. They contain the arcade versions plus much more content and features.Deca wrote:Do you care enough about playing Mushi 1.5 to pay for one of the boards?
Said the man who puts PCB owners up on a pedestal.Deca wrote:You seem to be viewing this as some sort of competition to be the biggest shooter fan.
I agree 100%. Post of the year.emphatic wrote:My 2 cents:
The reason why their shmups are so good is because they're made for the arcades. Hardware limitations, difficulty settings etc, everything reflects the arcade setting, and that's at least why I love them. The best arrange modes could very well be true arcade games, just look at Mushihimesama Futari Arrange mode, that wouldn't be very popular in the arcades. If CAVE stops making their shmups for the arcades, their games will suffer greatly and hopefully they themselves know this as well.
Then it should be very easy to point out.bcass wrote:No. What you did was exactly what you then went on to accuse me of.
I like how you cut out the rest of my quote that went on to explain that there was no reason both parties couldn't appreciate and enjoy the material just as much as one another.bcass wrote:Then I can only assume you to be a highly superficial individual.
You missed the entire point of what I was saying. I'm not talking about Futari, Mushihimesama 1.5 is only available as a PCB.bcass wrote:How much I care about or regard a game has nothing to do with my buying the PCB or not, or how much I paid for it. I view the 360 ports to be superior products. They contain the arcade versions plus much more content and features.
This response doesn't make any sense at all. I went out of my way to explain that no group of people is in any way superior to another for any reason. People willing to spend the money are simply more committed to the hobby and as such are "bigger fans." They're not better than you, they're not even necessarily enjoying the games anymore than you, but the fact that they're willing to go the extra mile means something. I don't think many people would argue that someone who catches their favorite football teams games on TV when he can is just as big a fan as someone else who has season tickets every year and makes sure they're at every single game in person.bcass wrote:Said the man who puts PCB owners up on a pedestal.
When did I say they were the primary supporters of the company? I merely stated that they give Cave more than someone who only buys ports and emulates old games.bcass wrote:Given how Cave's PCB business is generating so little revenue it's hilarious that anyone would cite PCB owners as being the main fans/champions/supporters of the company. I mean seriously, you even have the COO of Cave telling you that there's no money in it.
“Fly to live and shoot ‘em all!” – Manabu Namiki
I already have done.Deca wrote:Then it should be very easy to point out.bcass wrote:No. What you did was exactly what you then went on to accuse me of.
If both parties can appreciate and enjoy material just as much as one another (I have never said otherwise) then your proposition that PCB owners are bigger fans holds no water. What I actually took umbrage with was Gus using the term "real fan". The meaning of which was obvious. He was being deliberately derisory to those who do not buy the PCBs. He's basically implying that PCB owners are the "real fans" which is complete nonsense. Twist it all you like, but his post was derisory.Deca wrote:I like how you cut out the rest of my quote that went on to explain that there was no reason both parties couldn't appreciate and enjoy the material just as much as one another.
Ah, right, I misread that part. In which case I'll be happy to wait for it to appear on the 360 at some point, where it will probably be part of a pack containing more content and extra features. If that doesn't happen I might look into other ways of playing the game.Deca wrote:You missed the entire point of what I was saying. I'm not talking about Futari, Mushihimesama 1.5 is only available as a PCB.
Alright I have to admit that I missed the post in question and completely understand your feelings regarding that comment. I had only seen the following one, which was considerably more civil. My argument is simply that it's a matter of degree, I don't agree at all that it's a matter of qualification.bcass wrote:What I actually took umbrage with was Gus using the term "real fan". The meaning of which was obvious. He was being deliberately derisory to those who do not buy the PCBs. He's basically implying that PCB owners are the "real fans" which is complete nonsense. Twist it all you like, but his post was derisory.
“Fly to live and shoot ‘em all!” – Manabu Namiki
Just for clarification, I don't own a single PCB and certainly have no intention of picking any up new. There are some I'd like to collect but they're mostly limited to games that were never ported.neorichieb1971 wrote:All I know is if person (A) didn't buy (X) game for $2000 they wouldn't be arguing here.
“Fly to live and shoot ‘em all!” – Manabu Namiki
It'll be fine.It's disappointing, but arcade games already do not make sense from a business perspective.
However, we will continue to develop arcade games since I believe that putting games out at Japanese game centers is an extremely effective marketing tool for CAVE’s shooters.
To all our overseas arcade game fans.
Consider picking up our future arcade boards via mail order!
If we sell 500 copies, we can make a new arcade shooter.
If you put too many items into your grocery cart too quickly, he runs up and starts yelling at you and tossing your groceries around >_>kernow wrote:No, he works in the grocery shop opposite his house now.
Udderdude wrote:If you put too many items into your grocery cart too quickly, he runs up and starts yelling at you and tossing your groceries around >_>kernow wrote:No, he works in the grocery shop opposite his house now.
Which is why you'll want to bring enough coupons to hit several savings based extends.Muchi Muchi Spork wrote:You have to kill yourself once per aisle or the checkout line will be a total pain in the ass.
“Fly to live and shoot ‘em all!” – Manabu Namiki
Matskat wrote:This neighborhood USED to be nice...until that family of emulators moved in across the street....
And in this case the mods thank you all.moozooh wrote:That's definitely the best thread derail in a long while.
