PS4 / Xbox One console war

[replayme]

You know, this is not like the old MD/SNES war. Back then, there were two big players, and everything else was an afterthought. But PC and mobile gaming are very strong contenders these days... in fact, the real revolution now is that there are hundreds of millions of powerful game machines (that also happen to be cell phones) in the hands of people who would not usually get game machines.

PS4? XB1? No, Android is the new king.

^ This, and will likely to continue to erode the established console generation prefix more and more. The Vita interface is basically a mobile app hybrid with Nintendo-borrowed family music and cringey idiot-friendly tutorials (making faces out of photos and mapping them to a cube - wtf?!) and I'm sure future console business is going to keep on down the avenue of trying to be android until it probably becomes indistinguishable.

Thanks for silencing the whining and supporting common sense. It doesn't seem like Microsoft has gotten nearly enough backlash for what they tried to pull- they still believe it was an awesome plan and we just weren't ready. While I believe that those memory-challenged consumers who are now buying Xbones despite all that's happened and despite Xbone being the weaker, more expensive hardware deserve to be privacy-invaded and micro-transactioned for all they are worth, I also believe that supporting the NSA-box is sending entirely the wrong signal to the industry we all care about so much.

Can't you just quit Sony ball-gargling? You won't single-handedly steer the fortunes of any corporation by constantly reminding everyone of your insignificant position.

Microsoft is a blue chip corporation. Sony is a blue chip corporation. Neither of them are your friend. They don't have your best interests at heart, they have your wallet at heart, and nothing else. If they gave you cancer, they would find a way not to compensate you.

There are no industries that automatically deserve consumer respect. No-one's forgotten Sony losing millions of people's bank details, no-one's forgotten MS selling millions of faulty machines. At best, they give us something we want to play, at worst they give us something we want to play.

This incessant corporate anus drinking is a horrible reminder of a world succumbed to blind consumerism. Betrothed allegiance to the chronically wealthy: it's like the dark ages all over again.

I don't have a problem with the Vita interface. It may not be "edgy", but I'm not nit-picky, and am mature enough to not allow something so insignificant to ruin my enjoyment of what is a beast of a machine. With some fairly decent games - incl PS1/PSP library.

[replayme]

One of the worst offenders for buttons, buttons everywhere was the Jaguar's odd '70s throwback calculator pad type controller.

Chriiist, the keypad. That they kept using over and over again starting from the 5200 or whatever it was.

It confuses me so. Can anyone tell me what were they thinking?

* The Wii-U is to be considered off topic.

Maybe we could just amend this to be "That Guy (you know the one) can not talk about the Wii U, and you can not reply to Him if He does. Either is banworthy for five eternities give or take."

How can we have a console war if we can't talk about the box that's currently in the lead? It just seems a little weird that we have to bend over backwards just to satisfy one person:



Most of us aren't That Guy.

I hope you're not referring to me.

And I don't need to bad-mouth the Wii U anymore, seeing as to how it's "officially" no longer considered to be a contender.

The sales figures speak for themselves. Fact.

[cools]

I blame [...] Nintendo for controllers with twenty thousand buttons and Atari for the wholesale destruction of the environment.

I think that's a bit backwards - Nintendo's controllers actually were meant to be more pick-up-and-play friendly, while the PlayStation's controllers really started pushing for getting controls for every finger (like the L1/L2 buttons...even after all these years when I see that terminology it gives me a moment's pause).

The numbers say otherwise. It was Sega driving for pick-up-and-play, while Nintendo kept the button count high. We can blame Nintendo for the PlayStation as well.

SMS: 2 / NES: 4
SMD: 4 / SNES: 8
SAT: 9 / N64: 10 / PSX: 10
DC: 7 / GC: 8 / PS2: 13 / XBOX: 12
WII: 9 (plus gestures to remember!) / PS3: 13 / 360: 13

(Yes, I'm ignoring sticks and directional pads, but if you factor those in Nintendo's numbers go even higher. It was only the GC that tried to rein it in, but by then the damage was done and we had the abomination which was the DualShock.)

[KennyMan666]

* No image meme spam.

It's like you don't even want a console war topic.

[Skykid]

I don't have a problem with the Vita interface. It may not be "edgy", but I'm not nit-picky, and am mature enough to not allow something so insignificant to ruin my enjoyment of what is a beast of a machine. With some fairly decent games - incl PS1/Vita library.

Well it's not ruining my enjoyment of the machine, lol, I'm having a fairly good time with Dragon's Crown at the moment!

I don't know why I can't pass comment on the XMB being dreadful looking - it's just an observation. If Sony's XMB track record weren't so good, it probably wouldn't be such a noticeable thing. It happens to be beautifully functional though, I like the structure a lot.

As for some "fairly decent games", that sort of sums it up. Dragon's Crown is beautiful, but I did go into several stores before flying out of HK looking for another tax free addition, and it must be said, the catalogue is definitely wanting. The machine is a bit like a smoking hot blonde whose tits hit the floor after you wrestle her bra off: there's just not much to play with.

I've got Gravity Rush on PS+ so I'll take a look at that at some point.

I hope you're not referring to me.

And I don't need to bad-mouth the Wii U anymore, seeing as to how it's "officially" no longer considered to be a contender.

The sales figures speak for themselves. Fact.

Dude, leave the poor Wii U alone. It's doing its best. It's not hurting anyone. It didn't do anything to you, you don't even own one. Why pick on it? It tries hard, it wants to be better. It has a hard act to follow: it's predecessor opened up the industry to an entirely new demographic of mums, grandmas and family evenings. There's room for three. Have a heart. Why kick it when it's down, rather than offer a helping hand. Why spit on it when you can offer sympathy, and be the bigger man? Perhaps it just wants to make kids happy, the young ones, in that classic Nintendo way. There's nothing wrong with making kids happy, with bringing some laughter to a child's face. It can't be all about shooting poverty stricken oppressed middle-eastern people, or sexually abusing children - there needs to be a console with a wholesome orientation. It's doing its thing. It's got a controller with a screen in it, it will probably find a way to do something unique, if you give it a chance.

Why not just leave it alone?

[Despatche]

the wii u is NOT meant to 'compete' with the ps4 and the xbone. the wii was NEVER meant to 'compete' with the ps3 and the 360. the pc engine was NEVER meant to 'compete' with the super famicom and the mega drive. all three did and do because people are stupid and because people are poor.

there are a lot of morons who refuse to understand the simple idea that nintendo rushed the release of the device itself; it was obviously meant to be released around now, so they were probably afraid of the ps4 and the xbone anyway. regardless, the ignorance of these people has led to nonsense like 'the wii u is a failure', despite the damned thing already selling more than the 32x and the virtual boy (people keep bringing those two up for comparison) combined. these same people honestly believe (and keep saying) that the n64 and gamecube were already 'failures' as is, without understanding what it actually means to 'lose money on a console', and while completely ignoring the large history that the two have left.

fact: no one seems to actually know or care about nintendo; they have no right to offer their useless and malicious 'opinion'. why do people keep going on about and fighting for things they don't care about? why?

(the dualshock is not an abomination. it actually needs two more buttons... face buttons, for a saturn layout. it would be a flawless design then; it just needs better parts.)

[CMoon]

You say that but Bayonetta 2 had my jaw on the floor at the mcm expo, and I don't even care for the game or the console.

dat ass???

Perhaps [the wii u] just wants to make kids happy, the young ones, in that classic Nintendo way. There's nothing wrong with making kids happy, with bringing some laughter to a child's face. It can't be all about shooting poverty stricken oppressed middle-eastern people, or sexually abusing children - there needs to be a console with a wholesome orientation.

LOL what video games are you playing?

[charlie chong]

rapper/producer JmeBBK apparently selling egg boxes for 200 squids
https://twitter.com/JmeBBK
i dunno whether he bought in bulk to get discount or if this is a joke.surely he didn't buy them full price to just sell them for £200
if you live in london and he's not bullshitting you could have one in your hands very quick.

[Skykid]

Perhaps [the wii u] just wants to make kids happy, the young ones, in that classic Nintendo way. There's nothing wrong with making kids happy, with bringing some laughter to a child's face. It can't be all about shooting poverty stricken oppressed middle-eastern people, or sexually abusing children - there needs to be a console with a wholesome orientation.

LOL what video games are you playing?

Call of Duty Phwoar: shoot dark-skinned people edition, and Gal Gun.

[replayme]

I don't have a problem with the Vita interface. It may not be "edgy", but I'm not nit-picky, and am mature enough to not allow something so insignificant to ruin my enjoyment of what is a beast of a machine. With some fairly decent games - incl PS1/Vita library.

Well it's not ruining my enjoyment of the machine, lol, I'm having a fairly good time with Dragon's Crown at the moment!

I don't know why I can't pass comment on the XMB being dreadful looking - it's just an observation. If Sony's XMB track record weren't so good, it probably wouldn't be such a noticeable thing. It happens to be beautifully functional though, I like the structure a lot.

As for some "fairly decent games", that sort of sums it up. Dragon's Crown is beautiful, but I did go into several stores before flying out of HK looking for another tax free addition, and it must be said, the catalogue is definitely wanting. The machine is a bit like a smoking hot blonde whose tits hit the floor after you wrestle her bra off: there's just not much to play with.

I've got Gravity Rush on PS+ so I'll take a look at that at some point.

I hope you're not referring to me.

And I don't need to bad-mouth the Wii U anymore, seeing as to how it's "officially" no longer considered to be a contender.

The sales figures speak for themselves. Fact.

Dude, leave the poor Wii U alone. It's doing its best. It's not hurting anyone. It didn't do anything to you, you don't even own one. Why pick on it? It tries hard, it wants to be better. It has a hard act to follow: it's predecessor opened up the industry to an entirely new demographic of mums, grandmas and family evenings. There's room for three. Have a heart. Why kick it when it's down, rather than offer a helping hand. Why spit on it when you can offer sympathy, and be the bigger man? Perhaps it just wants to make kids happy, the young ones, in that classic Nintendo way. There's nothing wrong with making kids happy, with bringing some laughter to a child's face. It can't be all about shooting poverty stricken oppressed middle-eastern people, or sexually abusing children - there needs to be a console with a wholesome orientation. It's doing its thing. It's got a controller with a screen in it, it will probably find a way to do something unique, if you give it a chance.

Why not just leave it alone?

You obviously haven't played Gravity Rush...

As for the Wii U - I did "leave it alone". I was just responding to someone who I thought took a sideways swipe at me. And regarding me "leaving it alone" (again), you're right. I have left it alone, and refuse to touch it. Out of sheer principle.

Anyway, and in response to your (biased) argument: you think Nintendo has a "heart", when it operates according to the same, ruthless business principles that govern Sony and MS? Why should I care about Nintendo, when its extortionate pricing makes one realise that it taxes the poor, and where its third party policies makes one realise that Nintendo cares about no-one else but itself. You think Nintendo cared when it charged £300 for a machine, where even after one year, that machine has hardly any games?

Seeing as to how Nintendo have had one solid year to establish themselves in the market, how much more of a chance do you think the company deserves?

I would continue my rebutttal to your post, but that wouldn't be fair on Nintendo or its fans now, would it? And I would also be going back on my word in an earlier post.

In other news: I've been reading The Daily Mail today, and spied the article about the punters who queued for the XBox launch. Why do journalists always get soundbites from over-ecstatic morons who have no standards, and are seriously hyped by product launches? I'd be hyped too, if any of the machines had seriously good games or were backwardly compatible. But apart from wanting to have (admittedly) serious bragging rights of owning the machines day 1, there's very little incentive to own either of the next-gen consoles now.

Still, at least the people in the queue have the consoles. I just wish journalists picked those who I would consider to be more representative of my views. Because that's all that matters (to me).

[system11]

Wii-U still considered off topic - please abide by the console war rules.

In new news:
Xbox One cross game voice chat unreliable (was rumoured weeks ago, may be fact).
Xbox One now has the DEATHRATTLE - which is an awesome name for a pretty minor fault with some of the BR drives.
Some Xbox One users having similar 'stuck during update' problems to some PS4 owners, but there doesn't seem to be a hard reset to fix it.
Ryse released - runs like garbage, although I think it looks like dumb fun and good in screenshots.

[Stormwatch]

the dualshock is not an abomination. it actually needs two more buttons... face buttons, for a saturn layout. it would be a flawless design then; it just needs better parts.

The Dualshlock is an abomination. Adding those face buttons would not change the fact that the analogs are placed wrong, and the whole shape of the damn thing is uncomfortable.

[brentsg]

I saw that Kinect 2 has a fan inside. I wonder if the combo is noisy.

[Cagar]

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ADMIN EDIT: I have selected the PS4, as I believe Microsoft must be punished for their attempted ruination of gaming despite having now changed almost every policy.

ADMIN ABUSE!
USING ADMIN RIGHTS TO PUT HIS OPINION IN THE OPENING POST!

..but I agree. I feel like the PS4 is a video-game console #4thegamers, and Xbone is a weird modern multimachine for basketball players.

[BryanM]

I think Atari expected a lot more FPS-style games than what came in the short lifespan of the system though.

Huh, that kind of makes sense.

Still, the SNES's joypad was out there for years before they launched; I think it a lot to do with the hardware being developed by random engineers, instead of game developers. As anyone who held the SNESPad would have noticed it was wonderful.

From some reports, that still seems an issue from time to time. I think it was the PSX3 lacked dev input on the hardware?

The original rule read 'it is to be considered a defeated opponent'.

Heeey, there's still no guarantee that The Masses won't realize that the new boxes aren't really an upgrade at all and refuse to upgrade to them until they're the same price as the current boxes are. It really is a bit like looking at going from SNES -> Neo Geo.

At the very least, I entertain the possibility that the XBone could end up as third place in the long tail. It's already sold negative units in Japan and given Sony a big powerful surge.

The sales figures speak for themselves. Fact.

It's still ahead. 11 million is still more than ~1.6 million.

Can't read numbers. ban pliz

Wii-U still considered off topic - please abide by the console war rules.

Do you see even one (1) person fighting for the Bone here? No one is interested in that crap. Thread premise is intrinsically faulty.

Heck with it, I'm out. See everyone next year.

[Ganelon]

System reliability status update: 11 out of every 12 of Xbox One 1-star reviews on Amazon right now are non-verified, about 8 times higher than the PS4's distribution. 5-star reviews are overwhelmingly verified. This trend suggests even more a really lame (though almost certainly unconcerted) effort from zealous PS4 fans to put down the Xbone. Why not let the platform war play out on its own in the market? This sort of retaliation is pretty shameful.

Thus far, although there are clearly some problems, Xbone's verified defect reviews are much more in line with the normal distribution of Amazon new devices compared to PS4's abnormally high defect reviews. I'll check the numbers again tomorrow for the verdict to last week's issue...

On another point, anybody else tried Knack? Maybe it's just me but one aspect of the ending doesn't make much sense.

[Ed Oscuro]

the pc engine was NEVER meant to 'compete' with the super famicom and the mega drive. all three did and do because people are stupid and because people are poor.

System reliability status update: 11 out of every 12 of Xbox One 1-star reviews on Amazon right now are non-verified, about 8 times higher than the PS4's distribution. 5-star reviews are overwhelmingly verified. This trend suggests even more a really lame (though almost certainly unconcerted) effort from zealous PS4 fans to put down the Xbone. Why not let the platform war play out on its own in the market? This sort of retaliation is pretty shameful.

Yeah, not surprised by this at all.

Both systems are a poor gamer's PC, which might end up with some neat exclusives.

[brentsg]

I still see a lot of people talk about PC gaming. Honestly, I no longer know anyone who games on a PC aside from MMO's. Folks I know seem pretty pleased to have left the videocard race behind.

Regarding Amazon reviews, I added a 5 star PS 4 review with some brief text about the unit/controller/etc. It's been downvoted to death, either by people who got a broken PS4 or by Xbox fans I guess.

Edit: I guess after thinking about this it's not entirely true. I do know a few people that bottom-feed off Steam sales and play some PC games for nearly no money. I don't really see that in the same light as PC gaming back in the 90s.

[Ed Oscuro]

Folks I know seem pretty pleased to have left the videocard race behind. [...] I don't really see that in the same light as PC gaming back in the 90s.

Put these two things together, and you will be confused no more.

Pretty much the only reason PC gaming doesn't get all the top-tier games is that developers want to lock in distribution to shit consoles. I don't see much reason to be excited about paying huge amounts for

Also, relatively few people gamed on PCs back in the day. Gaming in the '90s had exploded compared to the '80s, but all markets have grown considerably since then.

[Ganelon]

Just got the Killer Instinct Pin Ultimate Edition, a Microsoft Store exclusive. Fast shipping, although Microsoft's consumer technical support is some of the worst I've ever encountered in terms of results (still have an unresolved issue from a year ago that I've called, chatted, and emailed over a dozen times about). Anyway, the package is surprisingly huge, and I didn't realize that you can't actually leave the pins in the package (there's no indentation or anything) unless you want to bust up the box. Maybe Microsoft will release a disc version with all the upcoming content in a few years.

FYI, Walmart is selling nearly all standard PS4/Xbone games already released for $49. Amazon has matched that for some of the Xbone games. I think this promotion is part of Walmart's week-early Black Friday sale.

[Skykid]

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You know I was kidding about the Wii U thing, right?

Played Gravity Rush for an hour last night. Seems okay, fairly nice concept. Bit worried about GTA side-questing and gems, neither of which seem appropriate, but I'm looking forward to giving it more time. Seems like a good PlayStation game so far: not setting the world on fire, but entertaining.

[HydrogLox]

This thread is now officially a console war topic.
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* The Wii-U is to be considered off topic.
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The original rule read 'it is to be considered a defeated opponent'. I felt this war is all about PS4/XB1, the Wii-U is something people are likely to buy in addition to one or the other - or indeed not at all as the case appears to be. Also its like generation 7.5 and clearly not in the same power ballpark.

Interesting - but (silly question) is there actually a console war going on? Times have changed and I think there is a good case for claiming that this commercial struggle is not the "PS4 vs XB1 console war" but in fact it's the "PSN vs XBL service war" and the hardware used in it happens to be the PS4/XB1. However the hardware is only one aspect of how these services compete - so superior hardware could give one side the edge but it is not enough to win the war. And there is no need to consider Nintendo because they never seriously pursued building an entertainment service like XBL did (which for traditional video gaming may be a blessing if Nintendo can stay afloat for long enough). From the service perspective it is much less clear who is going to win - in fact both sides seem to be hampered in different ways and there is some potential for both sides to simply exhaust themselves in the competition.

"MegaDrive vs SNES" was a console war but Sega's and Nintendo's objectives back then were quite different from what Sony(PSN) and Microsoft(XBL) are trying to accomplish. The Wii U (a super-sized 2DS for your living room) has the closest resemblance to the concept of the a "video game console" as it was represented by the MegaDrive/SNES back in the day - comparatively speaking the PS4/XB1 are "entertainment service delivery endpoints that also happen to accept some games distributed on optical media".

Sony may have the better consumer-end hardware but their service is less mature because they tried to beat XBL by offering free multi-player gaming. Unfortunately that ploy didn't work because some people decided to pay for XBL multi-player anyway. Eventually PSN needed to find a more direct way of financing the service infrastructure and its labor force which gave rise to PlayStation Plus - but overall the development of the service was delayed. At this point it is important for Sony to have a lower purchase price for their consumer-end hardware as this could sway the initial purchase decision which could lead to service lock in.

XBL already has a good base of paying service subscribers and for the time being the subscription fee won't increase. It isn't clear whether or not the subscription fees alone can pay for the operating costs of the service - but I think that the writing is on the wall that the subscription fee will increase in the foreseeable future. Furthermore XBL seems to be aiming for an arrogant charging model that could be compared to:

• Having you purchase the arcade machine outright (buy the hardware).
• Having you pay admission to the arcade (pay the service subscription fee).
• Having you feed money into your arcade machine (but into their pockets) to play the game (pay the micro-transactions)

One would assume that people will see right through this and avoid it like the plague - but there seem to be plenty of people who pay out exorbitant amounts of money every month for things like cable TV and cellular/data service without even blinking, potentially providing XBL the audience it is looking for. I also wouldn't be surprised if XBL is going mimic the cellular business by waiving the "buy the hardware" portion in return for a sufficiently substantial subscription commitment. To that end they may be shortening the hardware refresh cycle considerably in order to get away with cheaper hardware.

Some of us were fortunate enough to own "video game consoles" from multiple vendors in each generation. Before the 7th generation you simply paid for the console and additional games were the only additional expense. Things started to change during the 7th generation. In the 8th generation "big gaming" involves subscription based multi-player (and possibly cloud services) - so the hardware expense is just the beginning. Given the continual expense it is hard to imagine that many people will support more than one service (past the initial year) simultaneously, especially once subscription fees increase due to operating costs and greed.

[Ed Oscuro]

comparatively speaking the PS4/XB1 are "entertainment service delivery endpoints that also happen to accept some games distributed on optical media".

Only comparatively. They do represent a shift in that direction, but their designs and capabilities are still very much centered around games distributed on disc. Internet isn't fast enough and hard drives aren't spacious enough even for the games they do have, let alone to push games on disc part be the minority interest.

I almost wrote "and the market hasn't shown acceptance of download only games" but that would be foolish. The developers, publishers, and manufacturers are just going to push in that direction and expect that gamers will follow. Steam has already been there for some years, anyway.

It's probably something like 80% games on disc - 20% other (including DLC for games on disc, I wouldn't be too surprised).

[MJR]

I was dead set against buying PS4 (or any new console, PC Engine is still console of my choice)
..but since my employer (housemarque) shoved me free PS4 yesterday..well why not?

..and I'm quite pleased with it. the UI is miles better, its not too big or noisy, everything feels smoother and faster. I played only one game (ass[asins] creed iv), and it felt nice, though it was only optimally better looking than what we are currently seeing. (I wont buy resogun as I am still waiting that Sony will supply us either with PSN+ vouchers or download codes)

Objectively speaking, at this point there I really see no reason at all to buy it, but in three years time, its probably the console to go for.

Next game I want to buy? Sexy parodius.. for PS1!

[Marc]

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You know I was kidding about the Wii U thing, right?

Played Gravity Rush for an hour last night. Seems okay, fairly nice concept. Bit worried about GTA side-questing and gems, neither of which seem appropriate, but I'm looking forward to giving it more time. Seems like a good PlayStation game so far: not setting the world on fire, but entertaining.

I give it two hours, tops, before you're bored. Game is nice looking, tedious, repetitive shite, fawned over by Vita owners that needed to justify their machine.

[Pretas]

I also wouldn't be surprised if XBL is going mimic the cellular business by waiving the "buy the hardware" portion in return for a sufficiently substantial subscription commitment.

Microsoft already experimented with this scheme for the 360. You could buy $100 units at Microsoft stores, as long as you committed to a long XBL Gold subscription. I think it's inevitable that we'll see a wider implementation of it for the One.

I'm very interested in how they will attempt to market the One in Japan. The release date is still TBA 2014, so the PS4 will have a major head start there. MS Japan was very proactive in acquiring permanent and timed exclusives aimed at JPN audiences for the 360 early on, and I wonder if they'll try to repeat this practice.

[replayme]

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You know I was kidding about the Wii U thing, right?

Played Gravity Rush for an hour last night. Seems okay, fairly nice concept. Bit worried about GTA side-questing and gems, neither of which seem appropriate, but I'm looking forward to giving it more time. Seems like a good PlayStation game so far: not setting the world on fire, but entertaining.

I give it two hours, tops, before you're bored. Game is nice looking, tedious, repetitive shite, fawned over by Vita owners that needed to justify their machine.

Not really. I never "paid" for it in the traditional sense. Only games I've ever paid for are Virtua Tennis 4 (£5) and Persona 4 Golden (£18). And I still need to buy Rayman Legends, Tearaway, and FF X/X2 (next year).

Regarding Gravity Rush: I love its soundtrack, its art style aesthetics, the charming story. It's true that the game does get repetitive, and the combat could have been implemented better, plus the "GTA" style missions aren't as much fun as the traversals across the play area seem scripted in a manner which robs the feeling of a sense of discovery (like No More Heroes). But for all its flaws, the game has heart. Gravity Rush is such an endearingly simple (and cute) game that you can't help but not fall in love with it. And in some ways, it reminds me of the quirky Sega games of the DC era (Space Channel 5, Project Rub), but also of a more simplified (and "JPop"/quirkier) version of Zelda. Heck, even Shadow of the Colossus was like Zelda - in that it was just Zelda with bosses.

I hope the sequel greatly expands on the concept, and irons out the flaws of what is admittedly an imperfect diamond.

But you can also play PS1 and PSP games on its OLED screen, and just having the opportunity to play Resident Evil 2 on the bus makes it worth it. The Vita (given its £130-150 pricetag) justifies itself in more ways then one.

Anyway, there's talk of the Vita being bundled in with PS4 machines by Xmas. Looks like the Vita will soon be getting a deserved second chance. And this can only bode well for its future as we'll be seeing a lot more games arrive on the platform as time goes on.

[system11]

I can't see how they can release the XB1 in Japan at this point. Did they even make a profit on that region last time around?

People have started using PS4 Playroom + Twitch to create live streaming call-in shows. The first one drew 5000 viewers. Scary new world approaching.

[Friendly]

I think this belongs here: http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2013- ... ee-to-play

How is it that EA is voted worst company in America, but not MS?

[AntiFritz]

I think tbis belongs here: http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2013- ... ee-to-play

How is it that EA is voted worst company in America, but not MS?

Because not everyone's a sony fanboy?