GamerGate - and it's continuing aftermath.

[Skykid]

So there's this documentary called The Red Pill, which is a bit misleading because it's actually more about Men's Rights Activism as far as I can tell and nothing to do with Red Pill awareness whatsoever. But it seems to be challenging current mainstream perceptions regarding third wave feminism and examining whether or not men are actually the more discriminated sex in modern society.

Funny thing is the "journalist" response versus the public response:

IMDB (users): 8.4/10

Rotten Tomatoes (Users): 91% approval

Rotten Tomatoes (Mainstream Journalists): 29% approval



If the filmmaker ever needed any validation regarding her questions I think the answer is right there on a plate.

[Zen]

Rotten Tomatoes (Mainstream Journalists): 29% approval

Yeah, Rotten Tomatoes went full retard a while back.
https://disqus.com/home/discussion/rott ... n_complex/

I initially thought it was for the clicks but after The Last Jedi and Black Panther farce, I'm not so sure.


In other news;
God of War’s director on toxic masculinity and why Kratos had to change

Here is the first line, in the first question of the interview;
"Playing the game, I kept thinking of the ongoing conversation about how we raise sons to not be utter garbage humans."
https://web.archive.org/web/20180427224 ... asculinity

[Jonny2x4]

Rotten Tomatoes lost any credibility the moment they gave Ghostbusters 2016 a "certified fresh" rating. It's bad enough that I have to tolerate their hideous logo on the Blu-ray/DVD cases of movies that I actually like.

As for that Cory Balrog interview, I would probably be more upset about the pussification of Kratos if I actually cared about the God of War series to begin with. I remember really liking the original PS2 game (it's probably not as good as I remember though), but for some reason I never cared enough to seek out the other games in the series, not even when they released that PS3 compilation that had all three numbered entries plus the two PSP side-entries in one package.

On that note, it's lame that they pulled the namemake shit and called this new one "God of War" without a number or subtitle. It's not a remake nor a reboot, it's still a sequel to the previous games and the original one is not even that old. You could argue that since it's reinventing the series, it's practically it's own game, but even Capcom still numbered RE7 when they reinvented the formula for that series.

[Skykid]

In other news;
God of War’s director on toxic masculinity and why Kratos had to change

Here is the first line, in the first question of the interview;
"Playing the game, I kept thinking of the ongoing conversation about how we raise sons to not be utter garbage humans."
https://web.archive.org/web/20180427224 ... asculinity

Terrible isn't it? I actually tweeted about this yesterday lamenting that the phrase 'toxic masculinity' is so frequently used as a moral club even though its definitions are essentially conjecture rather than fact, and that the director had toned down his barbarian to meet modern-day ideological pressures - which seems absurd considering the age-old archetype on which he's based. Rupert, who is a real-life and very old friend of mine (and also on this board) didn't agree with my view on the subject and we had a rather limited exchange on Twitter regarding the topic. And by limited I mean trying to express detailed opinions on complex matters using Twitter's brief word count.

Perhaps he won't mind joining here and expanding on the discussion?

[GaijinPunch]

Terrible isn't it? I actually tweeted about this yesterday lamenting that the phrase 'toxic masculinity' is so frequently used as a moral club

I took a peak at the Golgo 13 manga -- Japanese one, circa 1968. In the first two pages Duke Togo beats the shit out of a woman. Oh, the good old days.

[Skykid]

Real question thougn: do you think the third wave feminist movement is a fad? Is it the majority or minority of all people and do you think it will die out? Or, do you think it will become the majority and influence social gender norms to the point where the birth rate starts to fall en masse (because all indicators point to that being the result of a mass feminized and emasculated male society).

Honestly, from all my reading on the subject of psychology and especially female psychology, women tend to be incredibly vocal for things that they want, but not necessarily things that they need, and this rings true in so many different scenarios it's eye-opening. Their power of persuasion however is a force to be reckoned with, and I don't think anyone is going to argue with that. Persuasion by its very nature is also a form of manipulation.

[Zen]

do you think the third wave feminist movement is a fad?

A fad to those who are attracted to it? A fad in general? It did not organically develop as some offshoot of vanilla feminism. Your going to have to be more precise with your question.

Is it the majority or minority of all people and do you think it will die out?

Minority. As for dying out; depends on how long the intersectionalist witch doctors find value in pushing it. The public is wising-up.

birth rate starts to fall en masse (because all indicators point to that being the result of a mass feminized and emasculated male society).

Not just the birth rate. You might want to take a look at the correlation between the rise of feminization within a civilisation and its fall.

women tend to be incredibly vocal for things that they want, but not necessarily things that they need, and this rings true in so many different scenarios it's eye-opening.

Why, Skykid . . . are you suggesting that women don't know what is good for them?
I vaguely remember me bringing up the biology of politics with you once before and you, wisely, ignoring it.

[Skykid]

A fad to those who are attracted to it? A fad in general? It did not organically develop as some offshoot of vanilla feminism. Your going to have to be more precise with your question.

Sorry. I mean a 'fad' because it didn't develop as an offshoot of vanilla feminism. To me Third Wave feminism is more about identity politics than actual feminism - and actual feminists, those responsible for earlier movements for equality of the sexes - tend to agree. So this neediness to be part of an identity politics statement seems like a fashion trend, and therefore 'faddish'. It's fuelled massively by media propaganda, just like any fabricated trend, from CNN to Star Wars.

The public is wising-up.

Oh, they've been reacting and pushing back almost since the first warning bells went off, and I believe they're winning. What concerns me is the size of the identity politics war; it's essentially an enormous extreme left movement that broke through the boundaries of common sense political correctness and is now locked in battle with logic. I'm confident logic will win, but at what cost?

Not just the birth rate. You might want to take a look at the correlation between the rise of feminization within a civilisation and its fall.

Really interesting you mention that. I was just recently reading, watching or listening to (can't remember) a discussion about that. That the rise of a feminised society could spell the beginning of the collapse of civilisation based on the ramifications. I'm pretty sure falling birth rate was one critical factor. It was an incredibly interesting discussion either way.

women tend to be incredibly vocal for things that they want, but not necessarily things that they need, and this rings true in so many different scenarios it's eye-opening.

Why, Skykid . . . are you suggesting that women don't know what is good for them?
I vaguely remember me bringing up the biology of politics with you once before and you, wisely, ignoring it.

I would have ignored it if I wasn't educated enough at the time to chip in on the subject. Admittedly I've been doing a lot of reading on female psychology in an attempt to understand what many perceive to be irrational behaviours. And it's both fascinating and scary because I don't think men actually realise what they're up against when they're battling biology. It is powerful despite being irrational, but the male tends to concede under pressure, conforming to irrational demands and adopting them to please the female. We do this by assuming that by conceding, accepting, acquiescing, we will win favour - or accrue relationship equity - that can later be recalled for affection. Sadly biology in women doesn't work that way. A man who spends his entire life building relationship equity - working, buying houses, cars, taking care of his family, providing gifts, favours, and generally acquiescing - may still be at the mercy of the divorce lawyer because women don't recognise relationship equity the way we assume they will. Women initiate 70% of all divorces, and that's an important stat.

[charlie chong]

this is what "identity politics" and all this shit has lead to

https://twitter.com/7AnthonyDagher7/sta ... 9870707718

i'm a veggie atm but i don't give a fuck if you eat meat or whatever .i just hope this guy gets trolled for all of eternity.

[Bananamatic]

this is what "identity politics" and all this shit has lead to

https://twitter.com/7AnthonyDagher7/sta ... 9870707718

i'm a veggie atm but i don't give a fuck if you eat meat or whatever .i just hope this guy gets trolled for all of eternity.

anime/manga fan

it's not identity politics, it's anime
weebs should be removed

[BryanM]

Real question thougn: do you think the third wave feminist movement is a fad? Is it the majority or minority of all people and do you think it will die out? Or, do you think it will become the majority and influence social gender norms to the point where the birth rate starts to fall en masse (because all indicators point to that being the result of a mass feminized and emasculated male society).

No, feminism is not a fad and women will continue to try to better their lot just like everyone else on the planet tries to better their lot.

I know we're all a bunch of weeb losers who live in videogames here, but while a lot of you guys fixate 24/7 on Brianna Wu and youtuber Anita explaining that most women don't get boners from huge lady titties, there are actual tangible goals feminists are trying to achieve:

Serial rapist Bill Cosby was finally convicted of a tiny bit of the massive amount of rape he's committed over the years, just now. Maybe, just maybe, the fact he was able to rape so many so openly for so long is a bigger issue than how big Laura Croft's titties are and how much they jiggle and bounce. (Not that that isn't important, but it's a difference between a minor quality of life issue versus living in a nightmarish Rapeland where you're constantly getting raped by Bill Cosby.)

That you're blaming the declining birth rate on the idea of culture, as opposed to the hard, mechanical reality of:

* Access to birth control
* Access to something of a safety net, meaning you don't need a bunch of kids to take care of you when you're old
* Access to alternative means of entertainment besides just living vicariously through raising a child
* Females having access to a wage without having to resort to prostitution

I really don't know where to even begin. Start believing in materialism more forcefully instead of fantasy, I guess?

So much focus and energy spent into hating people that want different things than one does. At least with the Men Are Better Than Women guy, he could make his points with humor. Instead of "argh, -this group label-! am I right?"

[charlie chong]

this is what "identity politics" and all this shit has lead to

https://twitter.com/7AnthonyDagher7/sta ... 9870707718

i'm a veggie atm but i don't give a fuck if you eat meat or whatever .i just hope this guy gets trolled for all of eternity.

anime/manga fan

it's not identity politics, it's anime
weebs should be removed

wonderz what percentage of anime money gets spent on the dairy industry compared to soy industry

[Steamflogger Boss]

Anime is the source of all evil.

Also lol @ "knowingly contributing to the dairy industry" a bit farther down.

[Zen]

No, feminism is not a fad and women will continue to try to better their lot just like everyone else on the planet tries to better their lot.

I know we're all a bunch of weeb losers who live in videogames here, but while a lot of you guys fixate 24/7 on Brianna Wu and youtuber Anita explaining that most women don't get boners from huge lady titties, there are actual tangible goals feminists are trying to achieve:

Serial rapist Bill Cosby was finally convicted of a tiny bit of the massive amount of rape he's committed over the years, just now. Maybe, just maybe, the fact he was able to rape so many so openly for so long is a bigger issue than how big Laura Croft's titties are and how much they jiggle and bounce. (Not that that isn't important, but it's a difference between a minor quality of life issue versus living in a nightmarish Rapeland where you're constantly getting raped by Bill Cosby.)

That you're blaming the declining birth rate on the idea of culture, as opposed to the hard, mechanical reality of:

* Access to birth control
* Access to something of a safety net, meaning you don't need a bunch of kids to take care of you when you're old
* Access to alternative means of entertainment besides just living vicariously through raising a child
* Females having access to a wage without having to resort to prostitution

I really don't know where to even begin. Start believing in materialism more forcefully instead of fantasy, I guess?

So much focus and energy spent into hating people that want different things than one does. At least with the Men Are Better Than Women guy, he could make his points with humor. Instead of "argh, -this group label-! am I right?"

I don't think that anyone is ,even remotely, saying what you accuse them off here.

Having said that, your points on what contributes to the decline in birth rates (sans the "culture" red herring), were well made.
It is entirely up to you, BryanM but perhaps less of the free flow critical theory assault and more honest debate, might make for a more edifying discussion this time around?

[BIL]

while a lot of you guys fixate 24/7 on Brianna Wu and youtuber Anita explaining that most women don't get boners from huge lady titties, there are actual tangible goals feminists are trying to achieve:

Wu's politics are strictly incidental to her status as internet buffoon par excellence. She's a career scammer who makes shitty comics and videogames, lucked into a lifetime supply of pitybucks and no-quibble rimjobs from the mainstream media. Chris Chan with money and media connections, basically.

Though there is an undeniable comedic symmetry in a rich white guy lopping off his dick and proceeding to rake in the scammer bucks by demonising rich white guys.

[BulletMagnet]

I don't think that anyone is ,even remotely, saying what you accuse them off here.

You might want to take a look at the correlation between the rise of feminization within a civilisation and its fall.

[mycophobia]

This is the worst thread ever

[Zen]

I don't think that anyone is ,even remotely, saying what you accuse them off here.

You might want to take a look at the correlation between the rise of feminization within a civilisation and its fall.

Female biology makes for the perfect statist.

This makes them (and those that share similar "traits") the target customer of the state, in the West today.
This symbiosis is, of course, "left" leaning. That is to say, it "progresses" on the basis of other peoples money. Which inevitably, leads to social and cultural regression.

Another way of putting that, would be;. SWEDEN

Force - flood a self contained, "first world" country with "third world" cultures, who are devoid of feminist emotional masturbation and yes, you will indeed see a civilisation fall.

BryanM, made an accusation of misogyny by way of wilful, reductionist mischief, directed at those of us engaged in a discussion on third wave feminism.

So, once again and this time just for you, BulletMagnet;
I don't think that anyone is ,even remotely, saying what you accuse them off here.

[Squire Grooktook]

Guys pls stop ruining BIL's beautiful thread with this nonsense.

I'm just here for the internet loser schadenfreude.

[BulletMagnet]

Female biology makes for the perfect statist.

...you do realize that you're well within a stone's throw from "of course they shouldn't vote, they're too prone to hysteria", don't you? There's no way in hell that anyone could in a million years be so spectacularly self-unaware, is there? Either way, now I'm just waiting for the "incel" shit to start flowing.

By the by, Ayn Rand didn't snap up her Social Security payments without a moment's hesitation because she was doomed to do so as a woman; she did so because, like every subsequent insufferable hero of their own surly self-insert teenage fan fiction that she spawned, she was full of shit.

[BrianC]

This is the worst thread ever

It's up there, but any thread about politics is almost as bad. At least there isn't a thread arguing over pizza toppings.

[Sly Cherry Chunks]

Came for the Wu bullying, stayed for the Zen bullying.

Female biology makes for the perfect statist.

...you do realize that you're well within a stone's throw from "of course they shouldn't vote, they're too prone to hysteria", don't you? There's no way in hell that anyone could in a million years be so spectacularly self-unaware, is there? Either way, now I'm just waiting for the "incel" shit to start flowing.

By the by, Ayn Rand didn't snap up her Social Security payments without a moment's hesitation because she was doomed to do so as a woman; she did so because, like every subsequent insufferable hero of their own surly self-insert teenage fan fiction that she spawned, she was full of shit.

Check this out - you attacked not one, but three things he didnt say.

[Zen]

Female biology makes for the perfect statist.

...you do realize that you're well within a stone's throw from "of course they shouldn't vote, they're too prone to hysteria", don't you? There's no way in hell that anyone could in a million years be so spectacularly self-unaware, is there? Either way, now I'm just waiting for the "incel" shit to start flowing.

By the by, Ayn Rand didn't snap up her Social Security payments without a moment's hesitation because she was doomed to do so as a woman; she did so because, like every subsequent insufferable hero of their own surly self-insert teenage fan fiction that she spawned, she was full of shit.

No rebuttal? Can I take it that you do not agree, that biology informs political choices?
As you have consistently refuted that biology determines everything else, that would not come as a shock.

As for the "incel" and "self-unaware" attempts at character diminution . . . really?

I would remind you, sir, that you are not now in that support group that is the Bush thread.
No. You are in that oasis of refinement and taste that is the Shmups Forum - GamerGate thread.
Neutral Ground and amongst gentlemen. Identity politics here, is strictly for lolcow purposes.

Do make an effort, BulletMagnet. Please.

[Jonny2x4]

This is the worst thread ever

It's up there, but any thread about politics is almost as bad. At least there isn't a thread arguing over pizza toppings.

Anchovies are underrated. That's all I have to say about that subject.

[Zen]

"FEMINIST" . . . ok. "GAMING" . . . hmm. "JOURNO" . . . oh dear. "TEABAGGED AT PAX" . . . . Fuck me! "BY A MALE DEV." . . . . . . . . . . . . .


ARMAGEDDON!!


"Virtual sexual assault", dontcha know?!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=coo0FHA-yJI

[charlie chong]

i am guilty of homosexual virtual assault in the game dayz then

[Bananamatic]

I hate women because they won't have sex with me.

[Steamflogger Boss]

At least there isn't a thread arguing over pizza toppings.

Idk man this sounds much better.

I hate women because they won't have sex with me.

Bananamatic for president 2020.

[Xyga]

we are all homo

Spoiler

sapiens

[mycophobia]

At least there isn't a thread arguing over pizza toppings.

Idk man this sounds much better.

Yes, please lock this thread and put it somewhere no one can ever see it again.