XRGB-3

[Fudoh]

The 101FD has aged. It was Pioneer's first 1080p24 model out there. If you can get one real cheap (and with few hours on it), you can give it a try. Mind though that Pioneer's plasma panels weren't optimized for gaming (in other words, for low input lag). The 101FD also doesn't match the color and black levels of the last Pioneer generations before the pulled out of the business. If you're looking for a new Plasma set, you're likely better off with a Panasonic VT20 (or a S20, depending on your needs).

And no idea about the XBR-3 (was this the X2000 over here?). I switched to Sony with the X3500 (XBR-5).

[RGB32E]

The 101FD has aged. It was Pioneer's first 1080p24 model out there.

You're thinking of the 110FD, not the 101FD!

Aside from black level in certain contexts, I see no good reason to buy a Kuro - I say this as a CRT fan. If you're looking at top 2010 models, the VT25 and the HX909 are the only two series I'd consider IMHO ATM.

[Fudoh]

You're thinking of the 110FD, not the 101FD!

my bad, apologies..

the HX909

my next one Unfortunately Sony Europe pushes back the availability date and there haven't been any reviews incl. input lag yet.

[Rock Man]

I was going to get this thing but after viewing the asking price I am cool.

It's a sleek piece of tech though, had no idea it supports DVI. It may even be surperior to Coosis Universal HD series.

[Fudoh]

had no idea it supports DVI

it does only in one of it's two operating modes. If you want to use the B1 mode (lag-free linedoubling w/ scanlines), it's VGA only.

[RGB32E]

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1166196

So, yeah, if the Pio 5080 speaks for all other Kuros, expect to see a 3 frame lag with game pref on.

[RuffNEC]

could there be any input lag in 2d SHMUPS when a certain configuration is loading. per example different screen processing in XRGB 3?

I didnt notice anything in 3D Games but when I was playing a 2d Shmups the controls where not 1:1 tv screen it seemed to me

[Fudoh]

The B1 mode (linedoubling) is practically lag-free. There is a possible minimal delay due to the A/D conversion on the inputs and the D/A conversion on the output, but that's negligible, you can't feel that. In B0 mode (with scaling) you have about 2 to 2.5 frames of delay - that you can feel.

[RuffNEC]

thx for your support.

What exactly are those modes B0 - B3 ? Which should I choose to play ? I don´t really see scanlines on my screen after I changed the H-L and V-L

which is the best setting for A/D ? Default is at maximum 255 can I reduce it to 0 ?

is there a way to reset back to the default setings? I changed something and now the signal is out of rage for my monitor.

edit found something

1. Disconnect all device cables from the XRGB-3, but leave the power adapter plugged in.
2. Make sure the unit is in "standby" mode.
3. Hold down the "Menu" and "Ok" buttons, then press and hold the "Power" button.
4. As you hold down the three buttons, the activity lights should flicker.
5. After the lights stop and the the "Standby" light goes on, you are good to go.

[Fudoh]

For lagfree play or scanline emulation B1 is the only choice.

If you got a new XRGB, then the B1 firmware is NOT installed. So, even when choosing B1 in the menu, it defaults back to B0. You have to download the B1 FW from the Micomsoft website and install it. After that switch the B1, power off, power on. On B1 only the VGA output will work and it defaults to 480p resolution. Scanlines will work after that.

I changed something and now the signal is out of rage for my monitor.

if that happens, just use the front buttons to set the resolution to XGA, that usually works. Be careful nevertheless, some options like V-Sync can cause the image to disappear and you have to navigate blindly or reset the unit.

For the reset (you quoted) you don't have to disconnect anything.....

[Fudoh]

which is the best setting for A/D ? Default is at maximum 255 can I reduce it to 0

depends on your source. Usually something in the range between 179 and 193 works best. Once you're in B1 mode, turn off the LPF (low pass filter) and bring the A/D level into that range, then fine adjust to minimize noise in the picture.

[RuffNEC]

thanks, got it 2nd hand not sure if there was already an FW update.

I gote Modes B0 , B1, B2, B3 to select.

[Fudoh]

B2 and B3 are not used nowadays.

Connect via VGA (not DVI), switch to B1, alter the scanline setting. If you see scanlines then you've got the B1 fw installed, if nothing happens and the resolution does not change to 480p automatically then you don't have the proper FW installed.

[RuffNEC]

ok its not installed yet. resolution didnt change

is this scanline modeonly available via vga ??? I planned to hook it up via dvi to hdmi adapter on my monitor

ok i could use the following adapters vga -> dvi -> hdmi but thats not real digital signal is it?

[Fudoh]

No, sorry, won't work. B1 is VGA only. Also HDMI ports don't carry the analogue portion of the DVI-A/I ports anymore.

You can try a VGA to HDMI converter (active, not just a just passive adapter) between the XRGB and the display, but that can have different results, depending on your display. Might work well, but might result in no picture at all either.

[RuffNEC]

Ok downloaded now the b1 Firmware with the scanline option. It works via VGA.

Do you think it will never bee possible to have scan lines via digital output on the XRGB3?

concerning the input lag.

You said there is practically no input lag on b1 ? I don't feel like im playing 1:1 on a tv there is a slightly difference that still bugs me. Im sure after time you get used to it buts just not right.

Are there any options that in/decreasing the input lag? Does pe changing the resolution to lower values like pe 1024 x 768 reduce the lag?

Which picture drawing mode is better for that FIELD or FRAME?

[Fudoh]

Do you think it will never bee possible to have scan lines via digital output on the XRGB3?

Micomsoft won't do it. Too complicated. In theory it's possible, but you either need an excellent scaling engine or you have to lock the scaling to even multipliers (Dot_by_Dot option in the last menu point), but who uses that ? It only works nice for certain input resolutions....

(ok, that was more the answer why they don't offer Scanlines in B0 mode. The VGA-only issue in B1 is likely caused by the basic hardware design and can't be changed on the current hardware. On a possible XRGB-4 I see Micomsoft dropping the B1 mode completely and offer HDMI output only)

I don't feel like im playing 1:1 on a tv there is a slightly difference that still bugs me.

Quite certain, it's your display. I asked before: which monitor have you used before (without the XRGB) and which model are you using now ?

Are there any options that in/decreasing the input lag? Does pe changing the resolution to lower values like pe 1024 x 768 reduce the lag?

No, the lag in B0 is fixed. V-Sync could add up to 1 frame, but I haven't seen anybody looking into that....

Which picture drawing mode is better for that FIELD or FRAME?

doesn't make any difference, at least none that I (or anyone else) could find.

[Konsolkongen]

No, the lag in B0 is fixed. V-Sync could add up to 1 frame, but I haven't seen anybody looking into that....

I have never noticed anything and i mainly play with V-sync on. But that could just be me not noticing the difference

[RGB32E]

An english version will be released but my contact is busy (breaking news : they are working on a new XRGB).

Here's the translation for the picture. I was going to photoshop an English one, but meh!

<Translation in English>

XRGB-3をうまく活用すると…

If you correctly apply XRGB-3 …



Before

歪み = Warp, distortion

表示幅 = Display width

欠け= cut off of edge

→明るさも適正化 = brightness is also appropriately adjusted.

After

特殊なツールを使用することで、画面の表示位置や表示幅を微調整可能。アーケード・ゲームの映像もパソコン用の液晶ディスプレイで楽しめます。

By using the special tool, the precision adjustment of screen display position and width is possible. You will be able to enjoy the Arcade game screens on the LCD displays for PC.

＊アーケード・ゲーム基板の映像信号には企画が規格がないため、一部のゲームでは画面を表示できないことがあります。（Taito社F2基板など）

Since Arcade Board’s image signal is not standardized, some games will not display correctly (example Taito’s F2 Boards.)

＊対応可能なアーケード・ゲーム基板は水平同期周波数が１５kHzの機種のみ入力可能です。

The supported Arcade Boards are standard frequency of 15 kHz input only.

＊アーケード・ゲーム基板の映像信号は、２１ピン端子（複合同期）からのみ入力可能です。

Input is possible only from Arcade Board’s image signal of 21 pin terminal.

＊画面調整は、アーケード・ゲームの機種ごとに行う必要があります。

You must adjust the screen for each arcade board.

＊上記の表示例は１２８０X１０２４ドットのSXGAの液晶ディスプレイに表示し、ディスプレイを縦置きした状態のものです。

The display example mentioned above is displayed on 1280 x 1024 dot SXGA LCD display in vertical screen placement .

（画面を反転表示したり、回転表示することはできません。ゲームに合わせてディスプレイの向きを変える必要があります。）

Displaying screen reversed or rotation is not possible. Display must be adjusted for each screen.



Enjoy!

[RuffNEC]

I have serious troubles with my XRGB-3 and RGB Modded PC-E DUO R

I have a black picture when the engine is runnig....what can I do? Which are the best settings?

[Fudoh]

Still wondering which display you're using now ? Mind telling us ?

A Duo can be anything from slightly problematic to not working at all depening on the RGB booster amp you're using. Can you make the XRGB menu show up while the PCE is running ? First try changing the RGB termination and V-Sync setting, also get the AFC setting in a medium position (~4). If you got a compatible RGB booster amp in your Duo, this should at least result in a picture (not neccessarily good though).

[RuffNEC]

my display is a BenQ E2200HD DVI

The Input lag thing was may just a suggestion on B1 I played RGB Famicom with nearly no lag.

I had once a picture with the pc engine only with 220 ohm rgb setting. I changed the colours settings and I had a sort of disortion on top of the screen but the coulours where nearly good.

[Strider77]

try to fix that with the AFC setting.... that part is common. I had to do that, sounds like your PC engine might have no amp at all if you had to switch to 220 and do severe changes to the picture options to look proper.

[RuffNEC]

I adjusted the AFC Level up to 5 and decreased the AFC Setting I get now a decent picture on B0 but STILL NO PICTURE ON B1.

what settings do you have in B1 with scanlines 175 ?

[Xenogias]

does the new firmware and software tool work with linedoubling mode or just digital scaler?

[Konsolkongen]

It works in B1 mode as well but not all sliders will have an effect. For example you won't be able to adjust the height and width of the image as you would in B0.

[Strider77]

what settings do you have in B1 with scanlines 175 ?

I think I have mine on 90 I think, I'm using a CRT monitor though.

[Fudoh]

175 here on my setup. 90 is very light, hardly visible depending on the display... ~ 160 resembles the scanlines on a Astro City or Egret eqipped with a 15/24khz-only monitor. If you want those of a 15/24/31khz-monitor (e.g. on a Egret 2) then you need to pump it up to around 220...

[RuffNEC]

I can't get a picture with Modded PC ENGINE DUO on B1. Just a black screen not a slighty sign of a picture.

I have the exactly the same config as in B0 where I can get a picture....

what can I do??

[Fudoh]

You have to find out if the problem is with the XRGB or the monitor. In B1 the output sync is locked to the input sync signal. It's possible that the XRGB works fine, but your BenQ doesn't sync when the PCE is on (can you try the PCE/XRGB combo on a different VGA monitor?). The other possibility is an incompatibility of the used RGB booster and the XRGB in B1, but since it works fine in B0, I would more or less suspect the monitor. This can still be fixed be altering the PCE's signal though. Eventually this is the same problem which causes the incompatibility between most PCE amps and the FX2 linedoublers. (I'd suggest you email Moosmann about this. He has fixed a couple of PCEs to make them work on such setups.)