World War III

[ST Dragon]

Theoretically, workforce can migrate to places where it's most needed.

Practically, workforce migrates from poorer countries to richer countries.

Sure, but as long as this workforce migrates in small and controllable numbers and upon request of the richer country & follows all the legal procedures and not per uncontrolled / unregistered chaotic masses like it's done today.

[CIT]

Sure, pay us back the 400billion Euro debt and compensations you owe us for all the destruction and killings you caused us in WWII and we're even.

The war reparations were already paid in 1960 and Greece agreed to a final peace treaty to settle the issue in 1990. So why does this issue come up again? Because it's used by slimeball Greek politicians to score points domestically and cover up their own shortcomings. Same reason China and Korea claim Japan owes them some islands.

Actually, from a moral viewpoint Germany should have paid Greece more than they did, but the US put the priority on stabilizing the entire continent economically because of the Cold War. In the end it was the better strategic decision.

By the way, since you admire Hitler so much, it's kind of odd that you should be upset about what the Germany did to Greece in WWII. He was just "remaining faithful to his ideas" no?

[ST Dragon]

Sure, pay us back the 400billion Euro debt and compensations you owe us for all the destruction and killings you caused us in WWII and we're even.

The war reparations were already paid in 1960 and Greece agreed to a final peace treaty to settle the issue in 1990. So why does this issue come up again? Because it's used by slimeball Greek politicians to score points domestically and cover up their own shortcomings. Same reason China and Korea claim Japan owes them some islands.

Actually, from a moral viewpoint Germany should have paid Greece more than they did, but the US put the priority on stabilizing the entire continent economically because of the Cold War. In the end it was the better strategic decision.

No! germany only paid a very small fraction of the total owed amount and the corrupt Greek government of the time agreed (each politician also got a tip to silence the whole matter), in order to not displease the US who wanted to rebuild the conquered germany and use it as a base against the USSR and the Warsaw pact treaty countries. I've also read another version of the story where the Greek government of the time, agreed instead of money, to be repaid from germany with technology in building blast furnaces to rebuild the destroyed infrastructure and industry of the country (laughable agreement), which never happened in the end! But I don't give jack-squat about the US interests, nor about the politicians and the fact remains that you still owe us big time.

By the way, since you admire Hitler so much, it's kind of odd that you should be upset about what the Germany did to Greece in WWII. He was just "remaining faithful to his ideas" no?

Anybody who is stable & faithful to his ideas (wrongful or not) and is ready to stand by them till the end, is indeed admirable (same goes for Che Guevara), but that does not justify the ideas them selves in anyway! And that's why when you invaded back then, my people along side with the allies, fought that bastard and crushed your armies to oblivion. He is guilty and so is your entire defeated nation too, as it was the majority of more than 95% of the german people that chose him willingly! And it is also true that every nation has the leaders they deserve, but you never repaid us for your crimes.

Have no doubt that if these corrupt pawn Greek politicians were not in office at the moment, you wouldn't be getting any money from Greece, but when in the next elections, the left/anarchist/communist/socialist party syriza will exploit the people's fake hopes (in living large again) and inevitably form a "socialist" corrupt government , they will completely sell-off the entire country and then even the most doubtful & corrupt Greek citizen, will realize the truth and will have no other choice but to finally accept & choose a true patriotic nationalistic government.
This will happen one way or the other, sooner or later and you can count on it.

[dex]

NSDAP seized power by subterfuge when they had support of roughly 30% of the population. After that, support increased because of institutionalized propaganda and totalitarianism - there simply was no safe way to be an anti-Nazi. Unless you were as magnificent a bastard as Canaris (chief of Abwehr and anti-Nazi), or Albert Göring (Hermann's brother, anti-Nazi). "95%" my ass.

[ST Dragon]

NSDAP seized power by subterfuge when they had support of roughly 30% of the population. After that, support increased because of institutionalized propaganda and totalitarianism - there simply was no safe way to be an anti-Nazi. Unless you were as magnificent a bastard as Canaris (chief of Abwehr and anti-Nazi), or Albert Göring (Hermann's brother, anti-Nazi). "95%" my ass.

This is what the germans say today to excuse the inexcusable. The vast majority back then wanted that bastard with all their desire, hearts & mind, fact! They could not have launched such a huge military campaign in all fronts, nor could they have committed all those atrocities & genocides, if they didn't have the total & absolute support of their people. But they paid dearly for it in the end! But not to us, yet...

[dex]

Excepting that we have verifiable, independent historical records of the rise of the NSDAP. They tried to get power, at their peak had 37.3% approval in July 1932, then in the next elections in November they had only 33.2% approval, actually less than they used to. Nazi leaders realized that if they didn't act quick, they would soon lose their power, so they used their still-strong political influence to get Adolf Hitler elected chancellor. He used the burning of the Reichstag as a call to action and got himself granted emergency chancellor powers, quickly turning the entire country towards totalitarianism. By this point, thanks to the emergency chancellor Hitler and their strong seating in the Reichstag, Nazi power was virtually absolute and through violence, oppression, cheating and propaganda linked with the burning of the Reichstag, they managed to achieve 43% approval rating. Understand: they had absolute power, they were the ones counting the votes, they forced people's votes (most voting stations had an appointed Nazi member who monitored the votes going into it and made them invalid if too many non-Nazi votes flowed in), they bullied the populace into submission with SA terror and they STILL didn't have majority approval. To claim 95% of Germany wanted Hitler in power is filthy slander of the worst kind.

NSDAP then removed every other party from the political map of Germany by formal bans and Nazi terror and turned it into a one-party, violence-ridden place where opposition was met with death. By the time the war started, the populace was too indoctrinated and scared to shy away from the Nazi invasion of Europe.

[CIT]

...in order to not displease the US who wanted to rebuild the conquered germany and use it as a base against the USSR and the Warsaw pact treaty countries.

And if the US hadn't contained the Soviet Union, Greece would've been ruled by the communists you love so much. Maybe you should be a bit thankful after all.

And that's why when you invaded back then, my people along side with the allies, fought that bastard and crushed your armies to oblivion.

I never invaded Greece. I wasn't even alive during WWII, and neither were you.
And I don't even know what "my" army is supposed to be. If you're talking about my ancestors, one of my grandpas was in the Wehrmacht, the other one fought against Germany in the US Army in both World Wars (my dad came to Germany as a US Army officer), so I wouldn't even be here if WWII hadn't happened and I don't feel particularly responsible either way.
And that's the difference between you and me. You're not capable of seeing anything outside of your shallow nationalist horizon. To me the idea of nation is irrelevant, I don't really care about Germany in any way, other than it's a nice and safe place to live with a strong economy, excellent health care and no speed limit on the highway. But what I do care about are facts, and the fact is that the EU is heading from a grand ideal towards a grand scale entitlement program, where the citizens of a small number of high-performing countries (Germany, Netherlands, Finland, etc.) should prop up their ailing neighbours, who have only themselves and their short-sightedness and corruption to blame for their economic woes.

Have no doubt that if these corrupt pawn Greek politicians were not in office at the moment, you wouldn't be getting any money from Greece, but when in the next elections, the left/anarchist/communist/socialist party syriza will exploit the people's fake hopes (in living large again) and inevitably form a "socialist" corrupt government , they will completely sell-off the entire country and then even the most doubtful & corrupt Greek citizen, will realize the truth and will have no other choice but to finally accept & choose a true patriotic nationalistic government.
This will happen one way or the other, sooner or later and you can count on it.

Yep, and you can count on the fact the even Golden Dawn won't be able to create some miracle turnaround for the Greek economy. It's too deeply fucked. For years the largest company in Greece was the local Coca Cola bottling franchise – what kind of economic base is this supposed to be?

Leaving the eurozone and defaulting on the debt would be a start (for the record, I don't care if Greece doesn't pay back Deutsche Bank, Commerzbank and the other fuckers. What I do care about is that no more money is poured into useless stabilization funds). It would be hell for the Greek economy for some years, but at least it's an opportunity for a fresh start. I just hope for your sake that the people in Greece get the big picture and use this opportunity wisely.

[MJR]

the left/anarchist/communist/socialist party syriza will exploit the people's fake hopes (in living large again) and inevitably form a "socialist" corrupt government , they will completely sell-off the entire country and then even the most doubtful & corrupt Greek citizen, will realize the truth and will have no other choice but to finally accept & choose a true patriotic nationalistic government.
This will happen one way or the other, sooner or later and you can count on it.

It is true that deep economic recessions always feed the popularity for uprising tyrants, and that's why writings like these send cold chills up my spine.

[ST Dragon]

And if the US hadn't contained the Soviet Union, Greece would've been ruled by the communists you love so much. Maybe you should be a bit thankful after all.

You don't seem to understand. After the end of the war, the majority of the Greeks willingly chose the west because that was simply where they belonged. Greece created the western civilization. So, no matter what Roosevelt, Stalin & Churchill had decided for Greece, you can simply not dictate your will to the majority of the people of a nation, no matter how powerful you are if they don't want too as well. Inevitably they'll revolt against you and triumph or die trying. And we can see this in a myriad of examples throughout history, where the people overthrew their unwanted leaders and systems, or accepted them willingly!

In Vietnam the majority of the people simply wanted communism and no matter how much the US and the west tried to impose capitalism to them by the force of arms, in the end they won and got what they wanted.

Afghanistan in the 1980s, USSR tried to impose communism to them and even though admittedly the soviets offered them many good things, like building the infrastructure of their primitive 3rd world country, roads, schools, universities, hospitals, a functional public sector where women worked as equals, etc... again the majority of these people simply did not want all that and rejected it and waged war against the soviets (with the help of the US), because they simply preferred extreme islam, sharia law, to cover their women like guineas bottles and cutting their noses and hands and heads off when ever they were not "obedient" or not living by the prophet's ways.

Iran, even though the Shah was in fact a dictator, he was a lot more liberal and western friendly than the harsh brutal islamic regime of Khomeini that took control of the country in 1979, yet he was invited willingly by the majority of these people, because that was simply what they wanted.

The entire USSR collapsed in 1991 because their people simply did not want communism and not because they lost some war from the west.

During the Greek civil war of 1946 - 1949, the National Hellenic army was fighting the communist "Greek" traitors, the NOF partisans slavs and the communist hordes from bulgaria, yugoslava & albania, we actually received no (or laughable support only after 1947) from the west.

For decades the leaders of turkey, have been applying to become a member State of the EU, but that is impossible, as the truth is that the majority of the people there do not feel and are not Europeans and this is evident if you visit any major city in turkey today (Not just the underdeveloped eastern Kurdish provinces of Anatolia). We see that despite the early liberal teachings and reforms of their "father" ataturk, their people prefer to be an Asian semi-developed, semi-liberal islamic State. Today more than 60%-70% of turkish women willingly cover their heads with hijabs / scarfs in public (unlike the theocratic saudi arabia & Iran, where this is not an option and severely punishable) and the mullahs have penetrated in the political / social matters of the State, turning turkey more islamic and theocratic day by day.

Recently the "arab spring" nations, overthrew their western-friendly leaders, because they simply preferred to be slaves under 3rd world harsh islamic regimes, who in reality are more easily controlled by the US/EU.

When in 1453 Constantinople was conquered by the muslim ottoman turks and the rest of Greece by 1460, for the next 400 years, the Greeks never stopped rebelling and waging wars & battles against them, because they simply could not tolerate tyrant bastards depriving their freedom & religion, imposing them insane taxes, or stealing their children to be turned into Janissary muslim slaves of the ottoman army. Until in 1821 they finally managed to kick them out and vanquished them from Greece for good. Their motto was "its better to live an hour of free life than 40 years of slavery and imprisonment" and despising death. They were the freest people that ever lived.

In essence every nation gets the leaders and systems they deserve.

So no, we don't owe anything to the USA, which only disasters have brought to Greece, like the occupation of Cyprus in 1974 by the turks.

I never invaded Greece. I wasn't even alive during WWII, and neither were you.
And I don't even know what "my" army is supposed to be. If you're talking about my ancestors, one of my grandpas was in the Wehrmacht, the other one fought against Germany in the US Army in both World Wars (my dad came to Germany as a US Army officer), so I wouldn't even be here if WWII hadn't happened and I don't feel particularly responsible either way.

Yes, I'm talking about the German army and of course you personally are not responsible, but your ancestors, most definitely are.

And that's the difference between you and me. You're not capable of seeing anything outside of your shallow nationalist horizon. To me the idea of nation is irrelevant, I don't really care about Germany in any way, other than it's a nice and safe place to live with a strong economy, excellent health care and no speed limit on the highway.

But then you're not even German your self and so its only natural for you to reject the idea of nations, as your father & grandpa also come from a country like the US that is not even a nation to begin with, but a multi-cultural/ethnic soup. Seeing your self as just a sheep in a multi-cultural, globalized / Proletarian inter-nationalistic world, is simply appalling and unacceptable by any person that wants to regard him self as a free man. People that lose their sense of national consciousness, are destined to perish from the world and inevitably are absorbed or vanquished by others in time.
This prospect is far more short sighted, backwards & obscure with no vision or future.
I do not envy you even in the slightest.

But what I do care about are facts, and the fact is that the EU is heading from a grand ideal towards a grand scale entitlement program, where the citizens of a small number of high-performing countries (Germany, Netherlands, Finland, etc.) should prop up their ailing neighbours, who have only themselves and their short-sightedness and corruption to blame for their economic woes.

But this is not what Merkel and her Zionist banker masters had in mind when they created the EU & Euro zone. They wanted to create a Europe of protectorate weak States, where these people, (their "ailing neighbors"), would work for them as slaves, by manipulating countries like Greece, Italy, Spain, Portugal, Ireland (in cooperation with the local corrupt scum politicians of course, like simitis, papandreou, karamanlis, and now tsipras, etc...) and taking advantage of the greed of the people who wanted to live large, like the rich germans, by offering them tones of loans & favorable subsidization, which they would never be able to repay and thus buying off the entire work force and resources of the country for mere scrubs. In fact it was a very clever and indigenous guile trick and much more effective and cheaper than waging war!

The war reparations were already paid in 1960 and Greece agreed to a final peace treaty to settle the issue in 1990. So why does this issue come up again? Because it's used by slimeball Greek politicians to score points domestically and cover up their own shortcomings. Same reason China and Korea claim Japan owes them some islands.

Actually, from a moral viewpoint Germany should have paid Greece more than they did, but the US put the priority on stabilizing the entire continent economically because of the Cold War. In the end it was the better strategic decision.

My grandma reminded me of one more form of "repayment" offered by Germany to Greece with open arms back then. Just after the end of the war, the German government offered to accept thousands of unemployed Greek poor workers from their ravaged country, to rebuild Germany which had previously destroyed their own country and caused them to migrate there and work as slaves with a very low cost! In essence Germany was taking advantage of the victim country and the tragedy of its people. Now this is being repeated again, as various German ministers frequently visit Greece and "offer" jobs to unemployed Greek high degree specialists of various technological fields & university graduates, but with much lower wages than the equivalent German employees of course. Another words, modern slaves!

Yep, and you can count on the fact the even Golden Dawn won't be able to create some miracle turnaround for the Greek economy. It's too deeply fucked. For years the largest company in Greece was the local Coca Cola bottling franchise – what kind of economic base is this supposed to be?

But Golden dawn never offered any miracle solution and were very clear about it from the start of their campaign. They have constantly proposed a fresh new start even at the expense of leaving the Euro zone currency all together and that the country should return back to it's primary sector of economy that used to thrive in the 60s before we entered the EU, in order to become self-efficient again and actually start producing stuff to cover our basic needs, instead of importing things that have been long abandoned, like the shipping industry (Greece still has the largest merchant naval fleet in the world but the ships are built abroad unlike in the 60s when the tankers were all built at the Skaramanga, Elefsina & Syros shipping yards), agriculture / livestock / fishing, develop industry rather than tourism, purging the corrupt public sector & punishing all those which have stolen money from the State & confiscation of their property, requesting the war reparations from Germany and finally nationalization of all the rich resources of Greece that are being sold off to foreigners like the gas / oil reserves of the Aegean and the gold / silver mines in northern Greece, which are even larger than those of Finland. Also forge new alliances and pacts with other friendly nations, since it's obvious that our European "buddies" and the USA can not be trusted and historically don't have the best of our interest at heart.
And of course all those lazy Greek leftist university students who study endlessly, never get their degree and waste their time at coffee shops, political parties, eating their rich daddy's money, while "fighting" for their rights, by burning Athens in every riot, should get off their butts and start working even in "secondary" fields like farming and actually start offering something to their country, rather than being parasites of their society.

Actually we've been making cars & vehicles in small quantities for decades and have some of the best engineers & scientist, doctors & pilots in the world, but unfortunately, there is no funding from the Greek State to advance any further:
http://www.namco-euro.com/page10.html
http://www.namco-euro.com/page18.html
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=358113

And yes, even high-tech stealth UAV bombers:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dassault_nEUROn

EAB: (joined on January 11, 2006)
Rear fuselage
Tail pipe
Integration bench
Engine
Air to Air Missile
Communication System

All this should be a good start to reboot the local economy.

Here are the political positions of Golden Dawn, they're very clear, straightforward, logical & realistic and written in... Greek of course.
http://www.xryshaygh.com/index.php/kinima/thesis

Leaving the eurozone and defaulting on the debt would be a start (for the record, I don't care if Greece doesn't pay back Deutsche Bank, Commerzbank and the other fuckers. What I do care about is that no more money is poured into useless stabilization funds). It would be hell for the Greek economy for some years, but at least it's an opportunity for a fresh start. I just hope for your sake that the people in Greece get the big picture and use this opportunity wisely.

Good God, I sure hope so!!
Greece should have never entered the Euro Zone currency! The only ones that benefited from all that, was the corrupt Greek politicians with the huge bank accounts in Switzerland and their benefactor Zionist buddies, who funded them to put them in office. The UK, Iceland & Norway were very prudent not to make such a mistake.
I would rather be poor and eat olives & feta cheese, than be a slave of merkel and her bankers.
Greece should stop depending on European crutches and start standing on her feet again.
What ever it takes!...

But then again, you should be grateful that Greece does not produce anything, and we're currently the largest importer of German goods and weapons and so we're greatly contributing to your strong economy, your excellent health care and no speed limit on the highway and thus maintaining it a nice and safe place to live for all you German folks!
Merkel is doing a fine job!

[ST Dragon]

Excepting that we have verifiable, independent historical records of the rise of the NSDAP. They tried to get power, at their peak had 37.3% approval in July 1932, then in the next elections in November they had only 33.2% approval, actually less than they used to. Nazi leaders realized that if they didn't act quick, they would soon lose their power, so they used their still-strong political influence to get Adolf Hitler elected chancellor. He used the burning of the Reichstag as a call to action and got himself granted emergency chancellor powers, quickly turning the entire country towards totalitarianism. By this point, thanks to the emergency chancellor Hitler and their strong seating in the Reichstag, Nazi power was virtually absolute and through violence, oppression, cheating and propaganda linked with the burning of the Reichstag, they managed to achieve 43% approval rating. Understand: they had absolute power, they were the ones counting the votes, they forced people's votes (most voting stations had an appointed Nazi member who monitored the votes going into it and made them invalid if too many non-Nazi votes flowed in), they bullied the populace into submission with SA terror and they STILL didn't have majority approval. To claim 95% of Germany wanted Hitler in power is filthy slander of the worst kind.

NSDAP then removed every other party from the political map of Germany by formal bans and Nazi terror and turned it into a one-party, violence-ridden place where opposition was met with death. By the time the war started, the populace was too indoctrinated and scared to shy away from the Nazi invasion of Europe.

I will not stick to stats and numbers, but I'm very skeptical whether to accept what you say.
This sounds like the poor excuse presented by the Greeks today that the current financial crisis is not their fault at all, when in fact all these years they were living in a fantasy bubble based on borrowed money, evading to pay taxes, and keep on voting for the same corrupt scum, etc...
The truth is that every nation has the leaders they deserve and want. If the majority of Germans back then did not really want Hitler they should have stood up against him, fought him and overthrow him, and yes even die trying, like so many other nations did against their tyrants before. But they didn't, because in fact they believed and accepted him willingly. They wanted this. There for, they were just as guilty as him.

Years ago, my mother met an old German retired teacher that had lived the events of WWII, when she asked him why did you follow this man (Hitler) that brought you only destruction in the end, his answer was very clear...

"We're strong and tough people and we required and wanted a strong and powerful leader to guide us"

During the nazi occupation of Greece, if a German soldier was killed in a village while trying to rape someone's wife / daughter, the German commander of the regiment, would execute every single local person in the village and level the village to the ground as an act of exemplification.
Before the Germans left Crete at the end of the war, every single structure, barracks, silo, they built was completely destroyed by them, even though it had no use for them any more, just so that it would not remain behind and be used by the poor local people who had lost their homes and farms.

Interestingly enough, such acts were not committed by their Italian henchmen who too were occupying various other parts of Greece during the said events.

Yes truly evil!

[ST Dragon]

the left/anarchist/communist/socialist party syriza will exploit the people's fake hopes (in living large again) and inevitably form a "socialist" corrupt government , they will completely sell-off the entire country and then even the most doubtful & corrupt Greek citizen, will realize the truth and will have no other choice but to finally accept & choose a true patriotic nationalistic government.
This will happen one way or the other, sooner or later and you can count on it.

It is true that deep economic recessions always feed the popularity for uprising tyrants, and that's why writings like these send cold chills up my spine.

Golden Dawn is aiming to win the governorship via legal democratic procedures, they're not tyrants.
But I would much rather prefer a true patriot tyrant or dictator that actually cares and seeks the good of my country and people, rather than the corrupt "democratic" slime-balls politicians that have been governing Greece for the past 40-60 years!

And when I look back to the History of the Hellenic Nation, I see that the periods that the Greeks accomplished their greatest feats of achievements, reached their pinnacle and maximum extent, was when they were governed by monarchs, which was also the majority of their 4000years historic period.

Alexander The Great as a monarch spread the Hellenic civilization to the furthest reaches of the known world and Byzantine Emperors Like Heraclius, Nikephoros II Phokas, Basil II, Alexios I Komnenos, for a 1000 years, made the Empire the most epic, powerful & militaristic realm of its time.

But what most "democrats" evade to reveal is that democracy was actually a political system primarily practiced in one City State of the Mediterranean Greek realm, Athens. All the other Greek City States from the colonies of Magna Graecia in Southern Italy & Sicily in the West, to the Ionian Greek cities in Asia Minor in the East and Makedonia and Thrace in the north, were made up of monarchies, oligarchies, tyrants, dictatorships and kingdoms. Even the mighty Sparta which finally defeated Athens and her Allies at the end of the Peloponnesian Wars had Kings. Democracy was adopted by the modern western world, simply as the most suitable system for manipulating and exploiting the people, while giving a sense of "freedom", "liberty" & the illusion to the right to choose. In ancient Athens however, they had real democracy. 1st of all, the citizens were equal towards the law, the politicians and governors that were elected, would have to return all the public money they administrated at the end of their political service, otherwise their properties would be confiscated and 2nd, the people's votes were not all equal, since not everybody was allowed to vote. Only free citizens who actively took part in public affairs and thus proved them selves worthy as thinking people, were granted the right to vote, which is logical as it is not fair for someone who provenly does not actually care for the State, or admittedly is not very smart, to have any word or right to decide for the State and for the majority by voting, thus being harmful for the State. Also people who owed money to the State were not allowed to vote. Today however that is not possible as the population is much larger and we all know how easy it is for politicians to actually clout the minds of people through media and "buy" the votes of the not so clever or poor people, by granting them favors, thus resulting in disasters like the case of Greece today.

[MJR]

jesus christ..

[Obiwanshinobi]

In what I call "democracy" today, even slaves and women are voters, which is a good start.

jesus christ..

Dude, I had to read through all that. Did I just win the internet? If so, I herein ban bad photos. Be grateful you folks keep the right to post smileys (for the time being).

[CIT]

Just after the end of the war, the German government offered to accept thousands of unemployed Greek poor workers from their ravaged country, to rebuild Germany which had previously destroyed their own country and caused them to migrate there and work as slaves with a very low cost! In essence Germany was taking advantage of the victim country and the tragedy of its people. Now this is being repeated again, as various German ministers frequently visit Greece and "offer" jobs to unemployed Greek high degree specialists of various technological fields & university graduates, but with much lower wages than the equivalent German employees of course. Another words, modern slaves!

Nobody forced Greek workers to come to Germany. And most of those that went ended up staying permanently, because there was just more opportunities and a better life. My landlord is a Greek engineer who came to Germany in the 1970s, now he owns two companies. Doesn't seem like a slave to me.

But then again, you should be grateful that Greece does not produce anything, and we're currently the largest importer of German goods and weapons

Lol, what!? Germany's top 5 trading partners are France, Netherlands, China, USA and UK (in that order). Greece is number 44.

Good God, I sure hope so!!
Greece should have never entered the Euro Zone currency!

See, we agree after all.

Merkel and her Zionist banker masters

I guess it was only a matter of time before you would start blaming the Jews.

Years ago, my mother met an old German retired teacher that had lived the events of WWII, when she asked him why did you follow this man (Hitler) that brought you only destruction in the end, his answer was very clear...

"We're strong and tough people and we required and wanted a strong and powerful leader to guide us"

What is needed is a brute & harsh, true patriotic regime to take over, cleanse the entire political scene and bring all those scum to justice

Oh the irony...

[ST Dragon]

Nobody forced Greek workers to come to Germany. And most of those that went ended up staying permanently, because there was just more opportunities and a better life. My landlord is a Greek engineer who came to Germany in the 1970s, now he owns two companies. Doesn't seem like a slave to me.

No one invited the German soldiers to come to Greece either.
The Greek workers were officially invited by Germany, but it's not that they had any other choice but to migrate to Germany, Australia, New Zealand, USA & Canada back then, as the country was ravaged after the war.
Your landlord is obviously not from the 1st batch of simple workers that migrated to Germany, just after the war and he's obviously well educated and trained to have reached that status, but I'm pretty sure that when he started working back in the 1970s, in the beginning his bosses would have taken advantage and exploited him just the same.

Lol, what!? Germany's top 5 trading partners are France, Netherlands, China, USA and UK (in that order). Greece is number 44.

Typo, I meant to write one of the largest. Still in relation to Greece's GDP ranking as 44th largest importer of German stuff is pretty high.

The 880+ Leopard 1A5/GR, Leopard 2A4, Leopard 2A6 HEL main battle tanks of the Hellenic army are either bought from Germany or built in Greece under license. That's a lot of money being funneled back to Germany don't you think?!

See, we agree after all.

Of course we do! But don't get me wrong, I really like the German people (And especially love all those tall German chicks that come to our islands every summer to have fun ), its only that old hag Merkel that I dislike and her banker bosses.

I guess it was only a matter of time before you would start blaming the Jews.

But isn't it a fact that the global banking system is controlled / owned by the Zionists and the majority of politicians & world leaders are funded by them to be used as pawns and to promote their interests once they're in power?! And if so what should be done about that?

Oh the irony...

Yes, with the difference that we don't aspire in conquering the world like he did...

[ST Dragon]

In what I call "democracy" today, even slaves and women are voters, which is a good start.

jesus christ..

Dude, I had to read through all that. Did I just won the internet? If so, I herein ban bad photos. Be grateful you folks keep the right to post smileys (for the time being).

Who said that women shouldn't vote?

But equating your vote with someone that has less rights and less IQ and can be manipulated very easily by others as a result, I call that unfair.

[MJR]

I thought I have seen every kind of lunatic and moron in this forum, but this thread just takes the fucking cake. I better flee this thread until it's locked.

[trap15]

But isn't it a fact that the global banking system is controlled / owned by the Zionists and the majority of politicians & world leaders are funded by them to be used as pawns and to promote their interests once they're in power?! And if so what should be done about that?

*jumps ship*

[Mero]

Let them go bankrupt, seriously

[ST Dragon]

Like I said, by all means, please!

Just like Iceland, they're doing great!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pl ... 1cuQ8ye6Wc

[Jonathan Ingram]

But isn't it a fact that the global banking system is controlled / owned by the Zionists and the majority of politicians & world leaders are funded by them to be used as pawns and to promote their interests once they're in power?! And if so what should be done about that?

Do tell. What should be done about it?

[trap15]

EXTERMINATE ALL THE FILTHY JEWS!!!1!11!1!!1

[Kaiser]

EXTERMINATE ALL THE FILTHY JEWS!!!1!11!1!!1

YEAH EXTERMINATE THOSE T-800s CONTROLLED BY SKYNET

YOU ARE THE JOHN "FUCK CAVE" CONNOR SON!

[ST Dragon]

But isn't it a fact that the global banking system is controlled / owned by the Zionists and the majority of politicians & world leaders are funded by them to be used as pawns and to promote their interests once they're in power?! And if so what should be done about that?

Do tell. What should be done about it?

No idea, you tell me.

On a side note, the KKE fore-founders were actually of Jewish descent...

[Kaiser]

But isn't it a fact that the global banking system is controlled / owned by the Zionists and the majority of politicians & world leaders are funded by them to be used as pawns and to promote their interests once they're in power?! And if so what should be done about that?

Do tell. What should be done about it?

No idea, you tell me.

On a side note, the KKE fore-founders were actually of Jewish descent...

No you came up with this bullshit so you tell US what to do about it.

[ST Dragon]

No you came up with this bullshit so you tell US what to do about it.

I will also ask you one question. If you answer me, I will tell you what should be done.

If somebody or a group of people are guilty for corruption and manipulation, what should the law and justice do for each case?

[Kaiser]

No you came up with this bullshit so you tell US what to do about it.

I will also ask you one question. If you answer me, I will tell you what should be done.

If somebody or a group of people are guilty for corruption and manipulation, what should the law and justice do for each case?

Alright since you have kindly asked for that, you see the law right now is ineffective because whether anyone stays for longer than 5 years in jail they are bound to leave early because of lack of space in jails/corruption (Shamefully this also applies to all kinds of murderers/criminals). I personally suggest good ol` wild west non-democratic hanging aka death sentence, problem solved. Many would die this way but who cares? Fuck the law if the law isn't even a good law.

[ST Dragon]

Then the laws should be modified and become stricter accordingly and be actually applied to the fullest extent and without any leniency or mercy what so ever, for all cases and for all people and groups. How ever, the laws can not be changed, nor can they be applied unless the system it self is changed, the politicians that created it and their masters that funded them be put aside.
But if we search even deeper, the problem lies not is the law or even the political systems. In theory even communism has positive things to offer to the people, but it can simply not be applied because the people them selves are imperfect, evil and corrupt from the start and I mean every single one of us from the day we're born.
And I remind you that the primordial punishment for sin (And any sin for that matter) was and still is death!

[amerrykan]

[amerrykan]

Is there a BBCode tag to draw one of those smileys at 100x size?

If so, can a moderator come in here and replace every post with that?

Thanks.