Osama Bin Laden is dead

[Randorama]

I confess that I discriminate fat people. Especially if white, let alone Anglo-phonic. Butter should be illegal, *dammit*.

I wonder if Richard Dawkins plans to write a book about the "Fat delusion", with Daniel Dennett writing the introduction ("brights are slimmer!"). Steven Pinker may write the conclusion and state how post-modernists are in denial of human's skinny nature, with all their deleuzian frappuccinos.

*whistles the "eugenics theme" in the background while eating traditional carbonara for dinner*

[Krimzon Kitzune]

Don't be hateful each other. Love is the best strength.

[BPzeBanshee]

Let's just everybody relax and take a break.

[dcharlie]

I confess that I discriminate fat people. Especially if white, let alone Anglo-phonic. Butter should be illegal, *dammit*.

I wonder if Richard Dawkins plans to write a book about the "Fat delusion", with Daniel Dennett writing the introduction ("brights are slimmer!"). Steven Pinker may write the conclusion and state how post-modernists are in denial of human's skinny nature, with all their deleuzian frappuccinos.

*whistles the "eugenics theme" in the background while eating traditional carbonara for dinner*

there are many books that are identical already - just go look up some of the more extreme anti-carb books.

[Acid King]

Consider the questions rhetorical, not as an intention to put words in your mouth. I'm not trying to dampen your national pride, I'm just wondering why no-one wants to ask any questions.

I don't have any national pride. Saying no one wants to ask questions is asinine considering it's been barely 2 days since the story broke and plenty of people have been questioning the official story since it broke. In fact, the official story has already changed because of that.

http://www.myfoxny.com/dpp/news/white-h ... 4509560237

I don't have evidence to the contrary. I didn't ever assert this.

Sorry, you just dropped a couple of non-sequitors in your original post implying the story was full of shit instead.

[TrevHead (TVR)]

also note i'm not angry or upset at americans partying just amazed at the stupidity. you aint won shit but a load of bad karma

Thank you for saying that as youre much better at putting across abpoint then I am. Although Ill add that I am a little mad at the stupidity shown since its just not the just the US who is in this war but everybody.

Its been nearly a decade since this war on terror started so you know this is as much a PR war as conventional. Wasnt one of the reasons why the World Trade Center was bombed to make the US feel what its like to be affected by war, instead of the cold war which was fought in distant lands.


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You win GP

EDIT: GP you really should be a diplomat. The world would be a much safer place with your usage of witty imagery.

[Skykid]

http://www.myfoxny.com/dpp/news/white-h ... 4509560237

Best link in ages, interesting stuff.

Last night they showed footage of Obama and friends watching the video of the compound being stormed. Not sure why we're being shown pics of their reactions and not a sliver of the footage itself. If they're worried about antagonising extremists, they can save the bullet exchange for later and at least let us see some men running through a door. Or flying a helicopter?

[dcharlie]

Last night they showed footage of Obama and friends watching the video of the compound being stormed. Not sure why we're being shown pics of their reactions and not a sliver of the footage itself. If they're worried about antagonising extremists, they can save the bullet exchange for later and at least let us see some men running through a door. Or maybe even a helicopter?

they are between a rock and a hard place - IF they release the details then it may enrage terrorists and will bring the usual "lol fake" cries.

[Skykid]

they are between a rock and a hard place - IF they release the details then it may enrage terrorists and will bring the usual "lol fake" cries.

I don't think the US government is worried about conspiracy theorists or folks on the internet shouting about it being fake. That is, if it's all genuine stuff, they've got nothing to worry about.

[dcharlie]

I don't think the US government is worried about conspiracy theorists or folks on the internet shouting about it being fake. That is, if it's all genuine stuff, they've got nothing to worry about.

indeed - i'm pretty sure the main thing they are concerned about is not giving the right wing an in - and an obviously faked assassination would be far too easy for the right to get to.

I'm sure they don't particularly care for small scale consiracy theorists.

I personally have no reason to believe this is faked. *shrug*

[Ex-Cyber]

That is, if it's all genuine stuff, they've got nothing to worry about.

Just like the birth certificate amirite?

[GaijinPunch]

That is, if it's all genuine stuff, they've got nothing to worry about.

Just like the birth certificate amirite?

Such a facepalm... better than the Royal Blowjob photo. Sometimes (most of the time) I'm glad to be an expat. That whole birth certificate shit is enough to keep me away for 2 years on it's own.

[TrevHead (TVR)]

Quote from that My Fox site

Over two days, the White House has offered contradictory versions of events, including misidentifying which of bin Laden's sons was killed and wrongly saying bin Laden's wife died in gunfire, as it tries to sort through what the president's press secretary called the "fog of combat" and produce an accurate account.

Then wtf was they all watching? Saving Ryan's Privates or one of GP's fisting videos?

CIA Director Leon Panetta told PBS on Tuesday that "Once those teams went into the compound, I can tell you that there was a time period of almost 20 or 25 minutes that we really didn't know just exactly what was going on."

I think its amaizing that both the US and UK governments can be so stupid and full of fail that ppl cannot help but think they have an hidden agenda which breeds conspiracy theories.

My brain just refuses to believe that humans can be so retarded. Brown giving away all of the UKs gold reserves been a primary case, Why the fuck isnt that guy in jail!

EDIT BTW whats this about a birth certificate? that shread of info / news has passed me by (like most info does)

[Skykid]

EDIT BTW whats this about a birth certificate? that shread of info / news has passed me by (like most info does)

Rumour mill that Obama's birth certificate is faked.

Then wtf was they all watching? Saving Ryan's Privates or one of GP's fisting videos?

By the looks on Hillary's face, it's a newly emerged video of Bill getting blown.

[brentsg]

That is, if it's all genuine stuff, they've got nothing to worry about.

Just like the birth certificate amirite?

Such a facepalm... better than the Royal Blowjob photo. Sometimes (most of the time) I'm glad to be an expat. That whole birth certificate shit is enough to keep me away for 2 years on it's own.

No matter where you go there's always a fringe group of idiots. They get all the press..

[brentsg]

By the looks on Hillary's face, it's a newly emerged video of Bill getting blown.

And that's probably something she's never seen..

[antron]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MxVdU2eV ... r_embedded

[Skykid]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MxVdU2eV ... r_embedded

Hahaha, some of those comments had me in tears!

[austere]

Life imitates art once again.

[Skykid]

Umm,

BBC 10 o'clock news says the US won't be releasing any footage or images that prove Bin Laden's death.

Now call me whatever you like (been called it already in this thread) but I was at least hoping for some poor, barely perceptible and highly questionable footage to be released. The official story has already been muddled up and revised, putting a dent in its already poor credibility since the frankly nonsensical decision to do a 24 hour body disposal.

The spin is idiotically ambiguous: Obama, McCain, John Brennan all say it's in the interest of national security not to release any imagery corroborating Bin Laden's supposed death, and that they are not "propagandists" (the most farcical statement possibly ever to be released from the US government.)

Now put all that 'conspiracy' theory stuff aside for a second, and take a moment to reflect on the size and importance of this event, and the actual need the US public must have to see proof that enemy no.1 was indeed snuffed out.

Are you chaps really not finding any of this dubious?

[Icarus]

I've been a skeptic since the news broke, and the lack of proof doesn't make believing anything any easier. If you did guys did manage to gank him, then good, but I find the wild celebrations a little premature, and partying should only begin when some kind of conclusive proof is presented to the world, irrespective of whether or not it'll enrage the suicidal, C4-clad whackjobs out there.

For all we know, you could have topped his stunt double.

Let's just everybody relax and take a break.

I find your opinions (and your Scarlett Johansson picture collection) interesting, and would like to subscribe to your newsletter.

[antron]

I've been a skeptic since the news broke, and the lack of proof doesn't make believing anything any easier. If you did guys did manage to gank him, then good, but I find the wild celebrations a little premature, and partying should only begin when some kind of conclusive proof is presented to the world, irrespective of whether or not it'll enrage the suicidal, C4-clad whackjobs out there.

mind telling us your whole theory? i mean, if he's alive don't you think he'll let the world know? you don't think the white house thought of that?

[Barrakketh]

the actual need the US public must have

Why "must" we have some sort of need?

Most of the people who have serious doubts about it (a large number are probably Truthers) are going to claim that it is a forgery. You will never change their minds, much like the significant percentage of Republican voters who will never, ever believe that Obama was born in the U.S. You know, because a black man couldn't ever be the president.

Are you chaps really not finding any of this dubious?

The decision against releasing the photos and reasons given (backlash likely resulting in the harm of U.S. citizens and government personnel) are in line with Obama's stance on releasing photos of U.S. troops abusing detainees a couple of years ago.

Basically, I haven't seen any decent evidence indicating that the whole operation and everything resulting from it is one big charade. Thus far it's been conspiracy theorists making assertions with nothing to back them up beyond "do you not find any of this suspicious?".

Then wtf was they all watching? Saving Ryan's Privates or one of GP's fisting videos?

My guess is it would be footage from either one of the drones supporting the operation, or one of the helicopters. You remember the "Collateral Murder" video? Something like that.

[Icarus]

mind telling us your whole theory? i mean, if he's alive don't you think he'll let the world know? you don't think the white house thought of that?

Better to not expect too much and be pleasantly surprised, than get over-excited and suffer disappointment.

[antron]

mind telling us your whole theory? i mean, if he's alive don't you think he'll let the world know? you don't think the white house thought of that?

Better to not expect too much and be pleasantly surprised, than get over-excited and suffer disappointment.

so your skepicism isn't based on anything factual?

[louisg]

Maybe this is what's actually happening:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vlg-VRc6TbY

It makes perfect sense!! He's being kept on ice, and when the time comes, Obama will swap faces with him and infiltrate Al Qaeda!

[Icarus]

so your skepicism isn't based on anything factual?

Not really. Unlike you guys, I just want to see some proof before I start celebrating. Is that too difficult for you to comprehend?
Also:

For all we know, you could have topped his stunt double.

[antron]

I'm yet to see any concrete evidence of Bin Laden claiming responsibility in the eleven years since the attacks, so you could say I remain unsatisfied on the subject.

I'm almost 100% convinced Al-quaeda took credit for the attacks, which means that I'd most likely be swayed toward them also being responsible.

Why quote this? Bin Laden and Al Qaeda can be viewed as separate entities, I just said I hadn't seen Bin Laden claiming responsibility. All instances of his claiming responsibility are highly dubious, including the footage of his cave party (does that look like him to you?)
Collected information uses often overlooked but important words to describe his ownership of the attacks such as "purported". It's also important to remember it swings both ways, as more than one letter was received at Al Jazeera after the attacks, supposedly from Bin Laden, stating that he claimed no responsbility for 911:

"I stress that I have not carried out this act, which appears to have been carried out by individuals with their own motivation."

See here for a collection of all Bin Laden statements made after 911.

Let me get this straight. You think Al Qaeda did it. You don't think bin Laden did it. That must mean you don't think bin Laden was an influential leader in Al Qaeda before the attack. You also think that every single video and audio recording of him claiming responsability (or influence over) that attack were likely faked (highly dubious you say) , and that not a single intelligence agency of any country in the world has been able to figure that out. right?

[louisg]

so your skepicism isn't based on anything factual?

Not really. Unlike you guys, I just want to see some proof before I start celebrating. Is that too difficult for you to comprehend?
Also:

For all we know, you could have topped his stunt double.

Aren't they going to release the DNA evidence that they have? Also, is there a reason Bin Laden wouldn't just pop up and say "ha ha you didn't get me"? Wouldn't that require some serious collusion? It's good to be skeptical, but it has to be a practical theory.

[Icarus]

Aren't they going to release the DNA evidence that they have? Also, is there a reason Bin Laden wouldn't just pop up and say "ha ha you didn't get me"? Wouldn't that require some serious collusion? It's good to be skeptical, but it has to be a practical theory.

Until the USA can prove they got him by conclusive evidence, the possibility still stands. You can scream "We shot him in the face, then dumped his body in the sea! We got him, we rule!" at the top of your lungs until you're all blue in the face, but you're only going to look stupid if he suddenly appears in a video or photograph holding up his DNA documents, and a sign with "LMAO, YOU MISSED ME, AMERICAFAGS" written on it. Heck, there's a possibility he could do it after some proof is released, which would make things very interesting indeed.

I hope DNA evidence is released, at the very least. It'll put the whole thing to rest.