COVID-19 in your part of the world

[Sengoku Strider]

Third shot here.

We all know from another thread that I am in a good shape, but this time it felt like they injected me with water.
No pain, no tiredness, no after-effects whatsoever (OK, I also received a Sinovac variant, which seems to be "gentler" than Western versions).
I actually trained straight after the shot.

Okay, but how does your dna feel?

[GaijinPunch]

Third shot here.

We all know from another thread that I am in a good shape, but this time it felt like they injected me with water.
No pain, no tiredness, no after-effects whatsoever (OK, I also received a Sinovac variant, which seems to be "gentler" than Western versions).
I actually trained straight after the shot.

I would offer a joke against the anti-vaxxers here, but lately the sense of alienation I am experiencing towards most human beings thanks to this whole madness is staggering.

Third shot -- arguably in good shape, too. Most of the pain was felt in arm. Didn't feel amazing the next day (Thanksgiving) but I did wake up and go lift at the gym. I opted out of cardio. The 2nd shot fucked me, for context. All 3 Pfizer.

[Searchlike]

Third shot here.
We all know from another thread that I am in a good shape, but this time it felt like they injected me with water.
No pain, no tiredness, no after-effects whatsoever

Felt just like you after my second shot of AstraZeneca. Considering my country's government, I wouldn't be surprised if they did indeed just inject water into me.

[Randorama]

Okay, but how does your dna feel?

Ah, hold on, fair point, let me send them/him a message...

OK, here's the response: "All good, but also send some ale once the 2-week probation period is over. We're dying of thirst down here!".

Hey, DNA needs fun though.

(OK, that's the best of a humorous comment I can muster these days; certainly, my irony is in terrible shape thanks to the virus).

GP: no arm pain, but then again they were using silicone syringes (or anyway something really delicate).
Cardio was vaguely harder, but that's the problem that happens with any medication, really (I mean, try to run after an aspirin...I'd rather do it after a shot of liquor).

Searchlike: it should be a good sign. The stronger and more balanced your immune system, the weaker the effect the shots should have on your body.
That, or it was really water

...All this makes me think that a good % of no-vaxxers must unconsciously know that their health is shit because they live really shitty lives.
It's not the deep-fried Mars Bars with pure animal fat burgers for a midnight snack, it's the guvnment doing things to me !!1! (and so on).


...and as my father would say in such situations: "When we want to control people, we start at the womb, not at 40".
Having spent a whole carrier in such a business, I am inclined to believe him.

[Ko.oS]

So had pfizer #2 awhile ago. [snip] I woke up earlier than usual the next day and felt more energy than usual too...lol

same here

[Stevens]

I hear you can get a DNA massage. It's supposed to be exquisite.

[Ko.oS]

^^

IF & mRNA > calist.

Spoiler

[Mero]

Just had my second jab(Pfizer), about 3 months late but better late than never. Hopefully the temperature is a bit warmer by the time I get my booster. (Freezing here atm.)

[vol.2]

but then after kicking up such a fuss saying "eh, y'know what, never mind" once you offer them a treat with enough sprinkles on it. And on top of that the people who constantly moan about the deterioration of society and common decency are the ones most vocally praising these mercenaries.

well yeah. that's really the crux of it. even if conceded to his principals, the apparent convenience of convictions is disgusting.

the only thing that makes sense to me here is a felt sense of helplessness and a grasping for control. i have to accept that he is who he is, but that doesn't stop it from being a shitty thing to do to my sister. if for some reason, it wasn't obvious, my claim is that he was extorting her, plain and simple.

[BulletMagnet]

if for some reason, it wasn't obvious, my claim is that he was extorting her, plain and simple.

Outta curiosity, did your nephew ever specify any particular reason for not getting vaccinated beforehand, or was it more a case of "ehh, well, maybe, whenever I get around to it, or not, whatever" and eventually having someone around who was increasing her own risk of becoming infected made your sister desperate?

In the end I suppose it doesn't make much difference, since taking a devil-may-care attitude towards a minor inconvenience with significant effects on both personal and public health is still pretty lousy, but as I said in my previous post, I honestly have a hard time understanding where most of these people are supposed to be coming from; the only consistent factor I can detect is that, as with so many other things, the fear that other people have of the virus is simply giving them one more opportunity to be smug jerks.

[vol.2]

Outta curiosity, did your nephew ever specify any particular reason for not getting vaccinated beforehand

Yeah, well he was standing on some kind of podcast right-wing anti-vax platform. He's now 18, but up until about 16 he had very little to say about his own point of view, preferring to let others make those decisions for him and only really getting stubborn about things that he felt directly impacted his life (like access to video games). Once he "discovered" politics, he basically got into what he's doing now on forums and discords and stuff, eventually finding his way to alt-right podcasts and the like.

My hypothesis for the convenience factor is that his beliefs are not well grounded in his own ideas, and his convictions weak. The shift to taking the money is reflective of the driving force behind his whole political attitude, control. He feels helpless in the world, and there are these people offering him a viewpoint that doesn't make him out to be culturally culpable for systemic oppression. But it's just a story he heard and not something that he arrived at. Therefore, taking the money is a similar way to feel like he's taking control and not upsetting the status quo at home.

It's worth pointing out that, while he is living with my sister, he doesn't have to live with her because his dad's family could easily take care of him. So it's my sister that is trying to keep him there and away from the influence of his dad's family who are kind of fucked up slum lord land owners. Isn't life grand?

[GaijinPunch]

only really getting stubborn about things that he felt directly impacted his life (like access to video games).

He'd fit right in here.

[vol.2]

yes, well. aaaaherm.

[BulletMagnet]

Sounds like the kid has a couple of different factors working against him; here's hoping that in time he'll be able to grow up.

Meanwhile, back at the yeeahhh fuck yooouuu yeeeahhh ranch...

[Sengoku Strider]

Meanwhile, back at the yeeahhh fuck yooouuu yeeeahhh ranch...

4Congress

[vol.2]

whoa. nice catch there. it's a suspended account now.

[xxx1993]

Just found out that there was a man from Minnesota who tested positive for the Omicron variant was one of the attendees at Anime NYC two weeks ago... And I was there. But I got my booster shot a day after the convention... So am I safe or...

[SuperPang]

Depends. How long did you make out for?

[vol.2]

Depends. How long did you make out for?

bro, be honest, you're the one in the back near the statue, right?

[xxx1993]

Depends. How long did you make out for?

I was there for all three days. But I felt fine. Well, other than being harassed by a couple of BLM activists on the way to the convention's back door on the second day.

[system11]

So in the UK, where concepts such as freedom are about to be stomped on with useless Covid passports, our health secretary has just stated that the most important conversation anyone can have with their GP is about their booster shot. They're deprioritising things in favour of jabbing people as quickly as possible. This is after reports of around 60,000 missed cancer diagnoses as a result of earlier focuses, which will obviously be the tip of the iceberg.

This has particularly enraged me, because on Friday, I was at my GP having a nervous breakdown and getting a referral for potential skin cancer and a tumour in my arm. That's on top of a biopsy in my mouth booked for January already. That is for something that was missed for up to a year because the dentists were closed. And Mr Javid wants them to drop everything and make me take a booster of something that gave me Vitiligo?

You know what? Fuck these people. This is why I haven't been around much lately, it's all been a lot to deal with on top of my fathers worsening dementia - which was brought on (or at least significantly brought forward) by lockdown.

[GaijinPunch]

So in the UK, where concepts such as freedom are about to be stomped on with useless Covid passports, our health secretary has just stated that the most important conversation anyone can have with their GP is about their booster shot.

I'd rather talk about partying and movies, but also like it when people get their boosters.

They're deprioritising things in favour of jabbing people as quickly as possible. This is after reports of around 60,000 missed cancer diagnoses as a result of earlier focuses, which will obviously be the tip of the iceberg.

Don't those boosters keep people out of ICUs (keeping beds free for cancer patients)? I actually have friends of the family that had cancer treatments pushed back b/c of Covid, but b/c of full hospitals, not b/c of staff busy giving shots. I got my first two doses in the same building I voted in, by some volunteer nurse. My booster was at Walgreens down the street. Places like Japan w/ archaic laws that never change meaning only doctors and a handful of nurses can break the skin? A huge problem. I would hope the UK had that figured out by now though.

[Mischief Maker]

Yeah, shit, I got my third shot at the fucking Costco!

[system11]

Don't those boosters keep people out of ICUs (keeping beds free for cancer patients)? I actually have friends of the family that had cancer treatments pushed back b/c of Covid, but b/c of full hospitals, not b/c of staff busy giving shots. I got my first two doses in the same building I voted in, by some volunteer nurse. My booster was at Walgreens down the street. Places like Japan w/ archaic laws that never change meaning only doctors and a handful of nurses can break the skin? A huge problem. I would hope the UK had that figured out by now though.

They are literally getting GPs to prioritise handing out jabs over general appointments, in addition to all the vaccine centres which remain open. The turbocharged level of fearmongering and pushing Covid passport threats down people's throats has led to them standing in queues in their hundreds, completely ignoring the whole 2 metre thing, only to be turned away because they ran out of vaccinations for the day. I took my parents for their boosters 2 weeks ago before the rush, converted indoor bowling centre - it's pretty good there, well spaced out, quiet, parking, and the staff are friendly. They didn't want to have it done at the local pharmacy service because they were seating people right in the middle of the shop floor while others were browsing shelves around them. Not sure what I can do about mine - probably time to talk to the GP about an exemption. The backs of my legs developed white patches 2 weeks after the first jab then stopped spreading. Some appeared on the front 2 weeks after the second then stopped. It's an autoimmune condition, they're permanent. My GP told me to register it as an adverse reaction, it's a dice I'm not willing to roll again. I don't know if the long dormant (10-20 years) other things suddenly starting to grow/change is related. I don't know if one of the other vaccines might be safe for me. I do know that in January I will be classed as unvaccinated because they're moving as far as I can tell to a 3 month model - loyalty bonus coffee & sandwich for #10?

Government still haven't made the medical case for the passports, because none exists. What they have done is ratcheted up fear to put pressure on the growing number of 'rebel' MPs who intend to vote against it, but since we have a coalition government in function if not name here, they'll get their digital IDs in anyway. They've also successfully managed to create the unvaccinated scapegoat class, despite the majority of people with Covid in hospital being fully vaccinated. This makes sense of course because we have a high rate of vaccination here, you'd expect it to be the case. If you compared people coming in with broken arms it would be the same. Surprisingly the rate is proportionally higher too though, I'd put that down to behaviour (same people as the ones who crowd and push past you in supermarkets as they are protected by their cotton rag). These figures while being posted on the official government statistics page, by the government, are not discussed.

I absolutely hate this. At least I have private cover so something is happening for me, hopefully everything turns out to be nothingburgers. Probably not. Pro-tip for anyone ever needing to use it, make sure you ask to be placed on the cancellations list, it can mean the difference between "next week" and "3 months". Not sure which one of the three problems scares me the most, I'm pretty much a nervous wreck at this point. I haven't felt this bad since the last time I had a nervous breakdown (work related).

[Sengoku Strider]

fearmongering

I'm genuinely sorry to hear it's messing with your life so badly. And I can't blame anyone being dragged down or generally being driven nuts by the whole thing. Nearly half my students in a 1st year university history course vanished this semester; after two years of isolation people are just being sucked into a void.

The thing is, even with the heavy-handed response it's received, COVID-19 is already one of the largest losses of life in the history of England. So far in the UK it's more than tripled the total civilian casualties that were suffered during the Second World War in the UK and Crown Colonies combined (170 000 and counting to 67 100). The only disasters in English history ahead of it are the Black Plague and the Spanish Flu, the latter of which which it may well surpass when it's all said and done.

So it absolutely must be taken deadly seriously. I'm not pinning this on you. But generally speaking the attempts by some figures in the public discourse to make it a political issue or a matter of opinion are utterly baffling and in the end, cruel.

Because there just isn't a choice here. It continues to mutate; Delta wasn't so bad, but Omicron already seems to bypass some vaccinated immunity (this does not mean boosters are ineffective, they do help significantly). Most worryingly it shows indications that it poses greater threat to infants and children. If left to circulate unchecked COVID-19 will only continue to become deadlier and affect wider portions of the population.

It would run the serious risk of becoming what the Black Death was, which killed 30-40% of England. Freedom doesn't mean a whole lot to an entire village of dead.

[BareKnuckleRoo]

The unvaccinated are a public health menace and those who continue to spread misinformation about COVID-19 are essentially to blame for clogging hospitals and grinding the system to a halt. I sympathize with the frustrations, but the blame lies at the feet of the public health figures who've spread lies, and the unvaccinated who've flooded hospitals with their incompetence. The unvaccinated are also the ones to blame for the deaths of the healthcare workers they expose as well others who are vaccinated around them, because the unvaccinated are allowing the virus to continue to spread at an alarming rate due to their incompetence and complacency.

Societies have to start giving serious consideration to requiring vaccination in order to receive hospitalization for COVID-19. If you've deliberately chosen not to receive the vaccine at this point, you're taking your life into your own hands and shouldn't be allowed to take up yet another hospital bed when you're forced to face the consequences of your own irresponsible actions. I've read way too many reports of irate antivaxxer, antimasker family members screaming at doctors, demanding hydroxychloroquine and ivermectin be administered, and outright assaulting doctors and nurses when they don't get their way and their family member inevitably bites the dust as the unvaccinated tend to.

[GaijinPunch]

COVID-19 is already one of the largest losses of life in the history of England. So far in the UK it's more than tripled the total civilian casualties that were suffered during the Second World War in the UK and Crown Colonies combined (170 000 and counting to 67 100).

US is gonna hit a million... easily.
We're almost at 800,000.

[Sengoku Strider]

COVID-19 is already one of the largest losses of life in the history of England. So far in the UK it's more than tripled the total civilian casualties that were suffered during the Second World War in the UK and Crown Colonies combined (170 000 and counting to 67 100).

US is gonna hit a million... easily.
We're almost at 800,000.

The American denial is much worse. The worst loss of life in US history was the Civil War, at an estimated 620 000 to 750 000 dead. COVID passed that and none of the deniers blinked, for them it was Tuesday.

It's weird, because this nonsense started because Trump was worried a shutdown would hurt the economy and affect his re-election chances. Denial became a badge of conservative tribal membership.

But Trump didn't stay on it forever. He eventually gave in and wore masks; he and his whole family got vaxxed and he's been trying to take all the credit for the vaccines ever since they hit. He wants it to be his legacy. But once that genie was out of the bottle, there was no putting it back in even as Trump voting states are by far the worst hit as a result:



That chart is just...misery inducing. What should have been a 'rally round the flag' moment like 9/11 was has just ended up as a pointless mass murder of conservatives, with people going to their graves still in denial because they trusted talk radio & cable news. News run by ghouls who off air have corporate vaccine policies. These people died for theatre.

[system11]

The unvaccinated are a public health menace and those who continue to spread misinformation about COVID-19 are essentially to blame for clogging hospitals and grinding the system to a halt. I sympathize with the frustrations, but the blame lies at the feet of the public health figures who've spread lies, and the unvaccinated who've flooded hospitals with their incompetence. The unvaccinated are also the ones to blame for the deaths of the healthcare workers they expose as well others who are vaccinated around them, because the unvaccinated are allowing the virus to continue to spread at an alarming rate due to their incompetence and complacency.

You do understand that vaccinated people are catching and passing it around to the point where more of them in raw numbers are doing it than unvaccinated? When everyone is vaccinated (or dead) and it's still passing around, who will you blame next? Unboosted? The people who haven't had one within 6 months? 3?

Also be careful with the tag "misinformation", all of these were misinformation depending on who you listened to:

That the virus probably originated in a lab.
That vaccinated people can still catch Covid.
That vaccinated people could still spread Covid.
That the vaccines could cause death or serious side effects.
That boosters would be required.
That vaccines would be mandated.

They were misinformation until they weren't. People were banned from social media or dismissed as cranks for stating these facts. You still see the crazy ones like being able to "catch" the vaccine from people shedding spikes, magnets, Bill Gates chipping people, it being a WEF depopulation exercise etc, but the word 'misinformation' has been politically weaponised.

[BareKnuckleRoo]

]You do understand that vaccinated people are catching and passing it around to the point where more of them in raw numbers are doing it than unvaccinated?

???

I'm not sure who told you this (given the lack of a source) but whoever it is has given you wildly incorrect information. This also contradicts basic epidemiology tenets, so it's safe to say at face value it's a misunderstanding, if not outright bullshit.

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archi ... id/620161/

It's true that it can be contracted and spread if vaccinated, thus making it important to still practice mask wearing and physical distancing, but if you're vaccinated you have a lower chance of contracting it, a lower chance of it being serious due to lower viral loads being able to take hold, and potentially a shorter time that you are contagious if infected.

Note that any source that claims vaccinated people are spreading it more than unvaccinated needs to also have hard data as to why that's the case before you draw any conclusions or make any such claims (that contradicts what we know about basic epidemiology). Remember that there's lots of unvaccinated people who are catching COVID-19 and are then deliberately refusing to get tested whether or not it's because they want to tell themselves it's just a bad flu, they don't want to be quarantined, they want to "own the libs" or think it'll protect ol' Donny Trump, etc. Those such people would only be statistically recorded as having caught/spread COVID-19 if they reach the point that they drag themselves to the hospital to die. Because vaccinated people are actually responsible, it's only natural they'd be quicker to get themselves tested, so your claim that "vaccinated people are catching and passing [COVID-19 more than the unvaccinated]" simply doesn't pass muster at face value. I'd suspect it's a misreading potentially based on flawed statistics where we simply don't have good numbers for the unvaccinated because they refuse to get tested in suspected cases (that or it's outright propaganda designed to inflict harm; we know China and Russia are actively involved in such things).

We also know that doctors are repeatedly blaming the unvaccinated for the continued spread of COVID-19, and what you're suggesting (without a source) goes against every qualified medical professional's opinion, so that should tell you the value of this claim you're making.

Also be careful with the tag "misinformation", all of these were misinformation depending on who you listened to:

It's completely normal that you'd expect many of these to be updated as we get new information and data, given that COVID-19 is a completely new disease we do not have much information about. This is how science works; we revise our methodologies when new evidence is available.

That the vaccines could cause death or serious side effects.

This one is 100% misleading misinformation. It's pure fearmongering. We know that the incidence of serious side effects is not zero, but that's no different than any other vaccine. The incidence rate, as with any vaccine approved by a competent government health service, is extremely rare. Statistics are firmly, without question, in favor of getting vaccinated, particularly in a disease that's as virulent as COVID-19 that results in serious side effects even if it doesn't kill you.

For an example of how rare the side effects are, the government of Canada is reporting only 0.011% of doses resulted in an "adverse event following immunization" that was a serious health risk. That's damn good odds.

https://health-infobase.canada.ca/covid ... ne-safety/

Up to and including December 3, 2021, a total of 248 reports with an outcome of death were reported following vaccination. Although these deaths occurred after being vaccinated with a COVID-19 vaccine, they are not necessarily related to the vaccine. Based on the medical case review using the WHO-UMC causality assessment categories, it has been determined that:
119 reports of deaths could not be assessed due to insufficient information
Among the 119 that could not be assessed, 1 was in a report of TTS (Pfizer-BioNTech Comirnaty)
88 reports of deaths are unlikely linked to a COVID-19 vaccine
41 reports of death are still under investigation
Among the 41 still under investigation, 6 were in reports of TTS (AstraZeneca Vaxzevria/COVISHIELD)

From a sheer statistical standpoint, you'd be crazy to go unvaccinated, not to mention a sociopath for putting others at risk.