GamerGate - and it's continuing aftermath.

[FinalBaton]

You're not far off there. It illicits the same dopamine hit that housewives get from seeing people having shitty lives on soap operas because it makes them feel better about themselves. Witnessing losers making fools of themselves essentially fosters similar reactions in well-adjusted individuals.

Not so sure about that part, Skykid. The laugh I get from the ridiculousness of the situation is fun, but witnessing a trainwreck doesn't warm my heart... in fact it's the opposite, it's pretty frustrating. Also these people don't have it hard (they're celebrated by other people and some even access higher working positions because of their "beliefs") so the making fun of their misery concept can't apply here.

Like BIL said : Tragicomic.

[Mischief Maker]

I used to be pro #gg, but for the record I was part of the marginalized "It's about ethics in gaming journalism" crowd. I always said making it about SJWs was going in the wrong direction because that misses what to me was the whole point, stopping dishonest reviews in the gaming press that were pumping up shitty art games by friends of the writers. Now GG is everything I hated about the old status quo.

Case in point, Yooka Laylee, a perfectly fine 8/10 game that was savaged by waves of dishonest 3/10 reviews, because they cut right-wing youtuber jontron's voice samples after it came to light that he's more than a little racist in public. I give zero shits about the politics of the developers, if #gg can't deliver honest reviews about the gameplay then it's a complete failure.

And speaking of terrible porn becoming a big thing, now you've got the #gg crowd rallying to the defense of House Party, a game that on the merits is vastly shittier than Gone Home.

By the way, Block'Hood, while not a great game, is a perfect example of a game with a leftist political message that not only isn't to the detriment of the gameplay, but actually is integral. It's a city builder game where the goal is sustainability as opposed to growth. SJWs were never the problem, reviewers putting their own personal agenda before the needs of the consumer were.

[Zen]

I used to be pro #gg, but for the record I was part of the marginalized "It's about ethics in gaming journalism" crowd. I always said making it about SJWs was going in the wrong direction because that misses what to me was the whole point, stopping dishonest reviews in the gaming press that were pumping up shitty art games by friends of the writers. Now GG is everything I hated about the old status quo.

Case in point, Yooka Laylee, a perfectly fine 8/10 game that was savaged by waves of dishonest 3/10 reviews, because they cut right-wing youtuber jontron's voice samples after it came to light that he's more than a little racist in public. I give zero shits about the politics of the developers, if #gg can't deliver honest reviews about the gameplay then it's a complete failure.

And speaking of terrible porn becoming a big thing, now you've got the #gg crowd rallying to the defense of House Party, a game that on the merits is vastly shittier than Gone Home.

By the way, Block'Hood, while not a great game, is a perfect example of a game with a leftist political message that not only isn't to the detriment of the gameplay, but actually is integral. It's a city builder game where the goal is sustainability as opposed to growth. SJWs were never the problem, reviewers putting their own personal agenda before the needs of the consumer were.

The unethical games journalism and the SJW mindset were intertwined from the start. The split that you say changed your mind about GG, was never clear cut.
A line from your first post in this thread;

Like I said, social validation is more important to reviewers than usefulness to their readers.

Both the journalists you spoke of and the SJW's are one and the same.



The facts are these; "Gamers" spotted the athiesim-plus fuckery a mile away and were having none of it. The unethical journalism, the "feminism", the SJWs all uniting in a hipster flavoured cultural Marxist shit storm had been reconnoitred by the "Gamer" hive mind long, long ago.
Well! . . . . as it turned out, fucking with the largest group of autistic savants on the planet was not a good idea. Who knew?

The Yooka Laylee debacle? There is lot more to that story than you post here and I am not just referring to the well known pressure campaign.
For those who really want to delve, I would suggest starting with the Publisher, find out who is who and more importantly, go way back to their issues with honest games review journalism back in the day. Which brings us is a circle, neatly back to GG and "the current year".

So the next time someone wants to quip; "what's this got to do with gamergate?", know this;
It was never really about the "Games" at all. It was about being attacked and the unique concentration of autistic savants within gaming that were the most aware and who were and continue to be the loudest "group" to say "FUCK OFF".

[Bananamatic]

And speaking of terrible porn becoming a big thing, now you've got the #gg crowd rallying to the defense of House Party, a game that on the merits is vastly shittier than Gone Home

there's a difference between being in favour of existence of shitty games and pretending a shitty game is a 10/10 masterpiece
I don't remember anyone saying that gone home should be removed from steam just because it's bad

[Squire Grooktook]

Bil's posts (in this thread and elsewhere) are all treasures and should be cherished, you philistines.

[Zen]

Bil's posts (in this thread and elsewhere) are all treasures and should be cherished, you philistines.

Man is totally under appreciated.
Speaking of which, I neglected to thank him for a sweet gif he once gave me , so I'm taking this opportunity to say - thanks BIL!

[BIL]

The way I see it, no matter our political leanings, everyone can have a right good laugh at the likes of Brianna Wu before returning to the hellish rhetorical battle.

Zen, you mean the poetic demise of Bobby Peru in Wild at Heart ? No trouble at all ol' chap, I have to make a better version sometime.

[Zen]

It was the Predator scene in the chopper with Ventura, thanks BIL. I never used it, fearing that it might be hazardous to my account
You would have had to use your "account suicide - Bobby Peru" masterpiece to see me off

[BIL]

Oh, that one! Yeah that's a corker.

Spoiler

[Mischief Maker]

The Yooka Laylee debacle? There is lot more to that story than you post here and I am not just referring to the well known pressure campaign.
For those who really want to delve, I would suggest starting with the Publisher, find out who is who and more importantly, go way back to their issues with honest games review journalism back in the day. Which brings us is a circle, neatly back to GG and "the current year".

I don't care if Yooke Laylee was made by nice people or not any more than I care about the harassment campaign against Zoe Quinn.

When critics are putting up video reviews where they run up to a double jump-height platform (and mind you, double jump is available from the start AND is included in the in-game tutorial) but just single-jump then dishonestly say, "look at this, the controls for this game are so bad I can't even get onto this simple platform. 3/10 kusogame!" then we as consumers have been lied to.

You'd think a shmup enthusiast forum would recognize when this kind of reviewer dishonesty applies to other genres.

[Zen]

The Yooka Laylee debacle? There is lot more to that story than you post here and I am not just referring to the well known pressure campaign.
For those who really want to delve, I would suggest starting with the Publisher, find out who is who and more importantly, go way back to their issues with honest games review journalism back in the day. Which brings us is a circle, neatly back to GG and "the current year".

I don't care if Yooke Laylee was made by nice people or not any more than I care about the harassment campaign against Zoe Quinn.

When critics are putting up video reviews where they run up to a double jump-height platform (and mind you, double jump is available from the start AND is included in the in-game tutorial) but just single-jump then dishonestly say, "look at this, the controls for this game are so bad I can't even get onto this simple platform. 3/10 kusogame!" then we as consumers have been lied to.

You'd think a shmup enthusiast forum would recognize when this kind of reviewer dishonesty applies to other genres.

I am sure no shmup enthusiast on this forum would advocate or condone reviewer dishonesty. I certainly do not and my post did not suggest otherwise.
If people are reviewing Yooka-Laylee dishonestly, that is simply bad form.
No excuses.

[dreadnought]

The facts are these; "Gamers" spotted the athiesim-plus fuckery a mile away and were having none of it. The unethical journalism, the "feminism", the SJWs all uniting in a hipster flavoured cultural Marxist shit storm had been reconnoitred by the "Gamer" hive mind long, long ago.
Well! . . . . as it turned out, fucking with the largest group of autistic savants on the planet was not a good idea. Who knew?

Wow, this is priceless . I kind of forgot about this monumental BS known as gamergate - but kind of glad it lives on in your little cesspit of a thread here. It is a useful reminder about the depths of insanity - and obnoxiousness - some folk can descend into given the right conditions.

Of course, the entire (sane) part of the world has moved on from this sad fuckery - after the very short initial confusion caused by your laughable "bad journos be payed $$$ for reviews !!1!!!!11" smokescreen it was correctly identified as a cowardly backstab aimed at the usual suspect, the same ones you kindly mention in your learned analysis above.

What happened later united all the raging rednecks, proverbial basement dwellers, PUAs, 4channers, breitbarters, redpillers and all other kind of scum with access to teh tubes. Mostly woman-hatin' but of course, as a brief perusal of this thread indicates, all too familiar worshipers of other -isms. It fizzled out quite fast too, but I see y'all has some true grit and keep fighting this good fight *snigger* - and salute your never-ending circle-jerk with a giant FUCK YOU

I mean, man, honestly...ROTFL is too weak a reaction for the comedy value regarding depths of your delusion..."autistic savants"...keepin' da flame of a true GAMER alive...ahahaha pure genius. Please do continue massaging your throbbing epeens here with this insane narrative so others can sometimes come and gawk - it is a useful public service, if anything, I suppose.

I have no doubt that in your inevitable reply you'll show this here SJW-hipsterized-femiMarxist why REAL GAMERS can not be fucked with. I'm sure it'll be as priceless as the rest of your input. I probably won't be here to witness it*, but you go girl! Just go easy on that keyboard, it's not its fault after all.

*I never got banned from a forum yet, but there's a first time for everything and it'd be kinda badge of honour - so, to reiterate my point and as to leave no doubts if a wild mod appears, my message is: "Fuck every and one in this thread who agrees with Mr.Zen (lol @ that appropriate nick too) here"

[Durandal]

The facts are these; "Gamers" spotted the athiesim-plus fuckery a mile away and were having none of it. The unethical journalism, the "feminism", the SJWs all uniting in a hipster flavoured cultural Marxist shit storm had been reconnoitred by the "Gamer" hive mind long, long ago.
Well! . . . . as it turned out, fucking with the largest group of autistic savants on the planet was not a good idea. Who knew?

Wow, this is priceless . I kind of forgot about this monumental BS known as gamergate - but kind of glad it lives on in your little cesspit of a thread here. It is a useful reminder about the depths of insanity - and obnoxiousness - some folk can descend into given the right conditions.

Of course, the entire (sane) part of the world has moved on from this sad fuckery - after the very short initial confusion caused by your laughable "bad journos be payed $$$ for reviews !!1!!!!11" smokescreen it was correctly identified as a cowardly backstab aimed at the usual suspect, the same ones you kindly mention in your learned analysis above.

What happened later united all the raging rednecks, proverbial basement dwellers, PUAs, 4channers, breitbarters, redpillers and all other kind of scum with access to teh tubes. Mostly woman-hatin' but of course, as a brief perusal of this thread indicates, all too familiar worshipers of other -isms. It fizzled out quite fast too, but I see y'all has some true grit and keep fighting this good fight *snigger* - and salute your never-ending circle-jerk with a giant FUCK YOU

I mean, man, honestly...ROTFL is too weak a reaction for the comedy value regarding depths of your delusion..."autistic savants"...keepin' da flame of a true GAMER alive...ahahaha pure genius. Please do continue massaging your throbbing epeens here with this insane narrative so others can sometimes come and gawk - it is a useful public service, if anything, I suppose.

I have no doubt that in your inevitable reply you'll show this here SJW-hipsterized-femiMarxist why REAL GAMERS can not be fucked with. I'm sure it'll be as priceless as the rest of your input. I probably won't be here to witness it*, but you go girl! Just go easy on that keyboard, it's not its fault after all.

*I never got banned from a forum yet, but there's a first time for everything and it'd be kinda badge of honour - so, to reiterate my point and as to leave no doubts if a wild mod appears, my message is: "Fuck every and one in this thread who agrees with Mr.Zen (lol @ that appropriate nick too) here"

I can't really make any sense of this.

[BIL]

proverbial basement dwellers

Hey, what's wrong with basement dwellers?! You racist. D:

[Giest118]

stuff

I choose to interpret this post as pro-Trump propaganda.

[Bananamatic]

They targeted gamers.

Gamers.

We're a group of people who will sit for hours, days, even weeks on end performing some of the hardest, most mentally demanding tasks. Over, and over, and over all for nothing more than a little digital token saying we did.

We'll punish our selfs doing things others would consider torture, because we think it's fun.

We'll spend most if not all of our free time min maxing the stats of a fictional character all to draw out a single extra point of damage per second.

Many of us have made careers out of doing just these things: slogging through the grind, all day, the same quests over and over, hundreds of times to the point where we know evety little detail such that some have attained such gamer nirvana that they can literally play these games blindfolded.

Do these people have any idea how many controllers have been smashed, systems over heated, disks and carts destroyed 8n frustration? All to latter be referred to as bragging rights?

These people honestly think this is a battle they can win? They take our media? We're already building a new one without them. They take our devs? Gamers aren't shy about throwing their money else where, or even making the games our selves. They think calling us racist, misoginistic, rape apologists is going to change us? We've been called worse things by prepubescent 10 year olds with a shitty head set. They picked a fight against a group that's already grown desensitized to their strategies and methods. Who enjoy the battle of attrition they've threatened us with. Who take it as a challange when they tell us we no longer matter. Our obsession with proving we can after being told we can't is so deeply ingrained from years of dealing with big brothers/sisters and friends laughing at how pathetic we used to be that proving you people wrong has become a very real need; a honed reflex.

Gamers are competitive, hard core, by nature. We love a challange. The worst thing you did in all of this was to challange us. You're not special, you're not original, you're not the first; this is just another boss fight.

[FinalBaton]

I can't really make any sense of this.

lol. same

[BIL]

They targeted gamers.

Gamers.

We is chillin by mah playas whoz ass finally runs a crew of da most thugged-out difficult, most spiritual demandin tasks mah playas Will, Day, Week. Over, over n' over, n' fo' anythang than a lil' small-ass digital token on all, we is sayin our phat asses done did.

Us thugs will punish theyselves by bustin self-fertilization, thankin dat other playas is aiiight cuz of it, thankin bout torture.

We spend almost all of our free time up in min, ta tha fullest limit of fictionizzle characta statistics ta brang up a single additionizzle point of damage every last muthafuckin second.

Many of our asses just made these games afta bustin these thangs: we knew dat a shitload of dem had attained such a gamerz nirvana, ta tha point dat I know evety lil detail, all dizzle long , Yo ass can fuck wit blindfoldin these game wit tha same quests n' hundredz of times literally all up in tha grind.

How tha fuck do these playas have any scam of ​​how nuff controllaz tha heatin system, disks n' carts is bangin down, beatin tha livin shiznit outta 8N dissatisfaction, biatch? To be called tha latta boastin right, every last muthafuckin thang?

Is these playas honest, do you be thinkin dis be a funky-ass battle they can win, biatch? Do they take our media, biatch? We is buildin freshly smoked up ones without dem already. Do they take our devs, biatch? Gamers aint shy bout when they throw scrilla elsewhere or make our self ta tha game. Do they be thinkin dat misoginistic, rape defense calls racists tryin ta chizzle us, biatch? We done been called a worse thang all up in tha age of 10 before puberty wit a cold-ass lil crappy headset. They have already chosen a funky-ass battle against a crew of desensitizin crews fo' strategies n' methods. Dum diddy-dum, here I come biaaatch! Who tha fuck do you like tha fight of depravity, biatch? Us dudes do not gotta worry bout dat shit. We can not be holla'd at dat afta we proved our obsession rooted so deeply rooted from tha year of handlin big-ass brothers / sistas n' playas, we prove playas wack you need straight-up much up in fact It aint nuthin but pathetic how tha fuck I used ta be. To hone reflection.

Gamers is natural, competitive, hardcore. We ludd tha challenge. Da most shitty thang you did ta all dis was ta challange us. Yo ass aint special, yo ass aint tha first, not tha original. It aint nuthin but tha nick nack patty wack, I still gots tha bigger sack. This is just a funky-ass boss game.

[Zen]

A quote of uncertain origin states; "Every battle is won or lost before it's ever fought"

We had already won before they had engaged. They mistook this for their fight. Gamers do not deal in racism, sexism or social status. For us, its always only been about the "game".
They were blind to the vast numbers of individuals who made up the phalanges, the Morae. Our "lack" of "leadership" was just us controlling "rank".

We were never just fighting their "boss". We are here to milk to fucker.

[BulletMagnet]

Gamers do not deal in racism, sexism or social status.

Anyone who's ever played anything online would probably have something to say about that.

[Zen]

Gamers do not deal in racism, sexism or social status.

Anyone who's ever played anything online would probably have something to say about that.

Online is its own thing, BulletMagnet. You know that. "Enter at your own risk" etc., etc. . Its all just "shit talk". It mainly emanates from adolescents "growing up".
It may be distasteful but its "healthy". I prefer murder, mutilation, "racism", "sexism" and sundry Gestalt to take place in the virtual world, thank you very much.

In the "real" world I have played with gamers of various ages, races, male and female and all that ever mattered was "the game".

[Doctor Butler]

I love it. Disposable entertainment at its finest.

does anyone honestly still care
it's the same shit every time, you can 100% predict what's going to happen every single time
and it's not even funny anymore after 3 years

It's just outrage porn, designed to keep you generating clicks while real things happen in the real world. Just look how easily the guys in this thread get baited by this bullshit every single time. Must be one helluva drug!

You're not far off there. It illicits the same dopamine hit that housewives get from seeing people having shitty lives on soap operas because it makes them feel better about themselves. Witnessing losers making fools of themselves essentially fosters similar reactions in well-adjusted individuals.

GamerGaters are undersexed man-children who resent women because they can't get any pussy. And some of them are racist too, lol

They're laughable. Listening to an "ANTI-SJW" on Youtube is 2 steps removed from listening to Charles Manson, in terms of batshit logic, and cognitive dissonance.

[Giest118]

They're laughable. Listening to an "ANTI-SJW" on Youtube is 2 steps removed from listening to Charles Manson, in terms of batshit logic, and cognitive dissonance.

I feel this way about SJWs. It's almost like every ideology is shit.

[Bananamatic]

Anyone who's ever played anything online would probably have something to say about that.

somehow I had the exact opposite experience for my whole life
except for league of legends, but those people insult absolutely everyone for absolutely anything they don't agree with

[chum]

The facts are these; "Gamers" spotted the athiesim-plus fuckery a mile away and were having none of it. The unethical journalism, the "feminism", the SJWs all uniting in a hipster flavoured cultural Marxist shit storm had been reconnoitred by the "Gamer" hive mind long, long ago.
Well! . . . . as it turned out, fucking with the largest group of autistic savants on the planet was not a good idea. Who knew?

Wow, this is priceless . I kind of forgot about this monumental BS known as gamergate - but kind of glad it lives on in your little cesspit of a thread here. It is a useful reminder about the depths of insanity - and obnoxiousness - some folk can descend into given the right conditions.

Of course, the entire (sane) part of the world has moved on from this sad fuckery - after the very short initial confusion caused by your laughable "bad journos be payed $$$ for reviews !!1!!!!11" smokescreen it was correctly identified as a cowardly backstab aimed at the usual suspect, the same ones you kindly mention in your learned analysis above.

What happened later united all the raging rednecks, proverbial basement dwellers, PUAs, 4channers, breitbarters, redpillers and all other kind of scum with access to teh tubes. Mostly woman-hatin' but of course, as a brief perusal of this thread indicates, all too familiar worshipers of other -isms. It fizzled out quite fast too, but I see y'all has some true grit and keep fighting this good fight *snigger* - and salute your never-ending circle-jerk with a giant FUCK YOU

I mean, man, honestly...ROTFL is too weak a reaction for the comedy value regarding depths of your delusion..."autistic savants"...keepin' da flame of a true GAMER alive...ahahaha pure genius. Please do continue massaging your throbbing epeens here with this insane narrative so others can sometimes come and gawk - it is a useful public service, if anything, I suppose.

I have no doubt that in your inevitable reply you'll show this here SJW-hipsterized-femiMarxist why REAL GAMERS can not be fucked with. I'm sure it'll be as priceless as the rest of your input. I probably won't be here to witness it*, but you go girl! Just go easy on that keyboard, it's not its fault after all.

*I never got banned from a forum yet, but there's a first time for everything and it'd be kinda badge of honour - so, to reiterate my point and as to leave no doubts if a wild mod appears, my message is: "Fuck every and one in this thread who agrees with Mr.Zen (lol @ that appropriate nick too) here"

same

[BulletMagnet]

Online is its own thing, BulletMagnet. You know that.

#notruescotsman

[Bananamatic]

funny how all the usual suspects ignored the recent dream daddy game drama where a female artist got a fuckton of death threats for drawing a gender swap of the dads from the game to the point of almost leaving twitter
not a single trace of the usual "the fans of this game are garbage" if this happens to someone else they're friends with by someone they don't like, literally the only articles I found were from the "pro-GG" sites

next week, some women from marvel post a selfie, some people post negative things because marvel is apparently going straight into trash these days (and the recent sales are going way down) and every site covers it as some huge scandal and how comics fans are awful

sure, "gamergate" is retarded, but you can't pretend like there's no beyond blatant bias in the media

[Sly Cherry Chunks]

<-----Still comfortably ProGG. Nothings changed. No real discussion since the topic is dead. Heres some pointers, which have mostly already been covered:

muh harrassment

Debunked early on by a Women Action Media! report on the hashtag. Debunked again by the FBI who closed their Gamergate investigation due to no leads and the fact that mean tweets are completely un-noteworthy. CyberVAWG doesnt real, and if it did - Tyler the creator has the answer.

muh ethics

Because SJWs believe in things that arent true ie - that gaming is toxic to women - they are constantly on the prowl for the smoking gun that proves their narrative. You see this everywhere: a saucy remark in a private facebook group proves that rape culture is real. A shirt that some guy wears proves that women arent allowed to be scientists. A discrepancy in average earnings across genders proves that men choose to pay women less. Hey look! This person has an ass! Better call the sexism police, cant have no people with assess walking around in this game, you know women want to play this too right? They want to prove they are oppressed by citing things that arent oppression. Victimhood is social currency to them.

So when it turned out that a minor ethics in gaming journalism scandal involved a woman at the center it makes perfect sense for the outrage police to wade in. And then the backlash, the attempts at deleting everything and the gamers are dead misrepresentation of everything that happened blah blah blah.

Y-You just hate women because you cant get pussy!

Black Mirror creator and guardian columnist Charlie Brooker hilariously berated /v/ as a bunch of pebbledicked bellwastes back during the Anita Sarkesian kickstarter. We laughed along: it feels good to feel better than someone beneath you - and I think people who spend a little too much time alone in front of a monitor might have a bit of self-loathing they'd like to project onto someone else too. He was still wrong though. Anita had arrived at her conclusion long before she did her first bit of research.

My Mum's a woman, my wife's a woman, my boss is a women and I work in an industry that is 90% women so I feel that I have to defend myself when someone accuses me of hating women. I dont want to get my head kicked in or fired!
The pussy comment is easily laughed off though, without going into too much detail . It says more about you than it ever will about me. What else are you wrong about?

dream daddy

As with the Stephen Universe artist. Same shit different day.

[BIL]

Cyber VAWG... still the baddest 80s anime evil AI name.

[Bananamatic]

berated /v/ as a bunch of pebbledicked bellwastes

hard to disagree with with that one