Ketsui X and Daioujou Black Label X - Ports for Xbox 360

Post by **undamned** » Wed Jun 24, 2009 3:57 am

gameoverDude wrote:Shame on Aqua Systems for going about it the way they did. They should have asked Arika for help and/or permission before resorting to "stolen" code. If anyone pays damages to Arika, it should be AS rather than 5pb - since 5pb didn't know what these guys were up to.

I think its a top-down thing: Arika sues 5pb, 5pb sues AS to pay off Arika.
-ud

kengou · Post by **kengou** » Wed Jun 24, 2009 4:30 am

If 5PB won't be porting Ketsui anymore and it will be somebody else (Arika? Cave?), does anyone think it's any more likely that the port will be not-region-locked or on the PS3? In other words, does anyone think this change in company could make this game more accessible to us, the western shmup players?

bucklemyshoe · Post by **bucklemyshoe** » Wed Jun 24, 2009 4:41 am

It'll still be region locked and still be 360 only.

jp · Post by jp » Wed Jun 24, 2009 4:52 am

I'm somewhat confused as to of how all the code for DDP DOJ BL EX was stolen since... um... DDP DOJ BL wasn't on the PS2... nor was X Mode.

Sure, the dinky little original mode might've been... but other than that...

GaijinPunch · Post by **GaijinPunch** » Wed Jun 24, 2009 6:01 am

jp wrote:I'm somewhat confused as to of how all the code for DDP DOJ BL EX was stolen since... um... DDP DOJ BL wasn't on the PS2... nor was X Mode.

Asada's blog hints at a decompiler, but doesn't say for sure.

Sure, the dinky little original mode might've been... but other than that...

White label was on the PS2 though, and is more than ample. Black Label most likely features the exact same code as white. Simply different settings of different objects in the game would be present. (IE a different rank ramp, less bullets for some bosses, a faster accelerating hyper guage, etc).

A properly coded game would, from the start, be tweakable by the programmers. They change a few settings under the sheets here and there, recompile, and viola. White to Black is similar to changing the dip switches. The changes are coded - they just have to be set.

PsikyoPshumpPshooterP · Sun Jul 12, 2009 4:59 am

when is this fucken game gonna be released

TodayIsForgotten · Post by **TodayIsForgotten** » Sun Jul 12, 2009 2:23 pm

PsikyoPshumpPshooterP wrote:when is this fucken game gonna be released

never

MADEIRA STEVE88 · Post by **MADEIRA STEVE88** » Sun Jul 12, 2009 2:43 pm

Was looking forward to these but due to the awful porting i wont buy unless its a perfect port. Now it looks like Ketsui is not gonna come out, jeez lazy coders indeed.

CStarFlare · Post by **CStarFlare** » Sun Jul 12, 2009 3:54 pm

thanks for the bump guys

Sonic R · Post by **Sonic R** » Mon Jul 13, 2009 3:38 am

I remember when the PS2 port was put on the shelf due to issues of the stage 5, and folks were begging for Arika to release it still with buggy stage 5 and even less than perfect game play just for the chance to play the port…

now attitude has raised in snobbery and people won't even stand for long load times and would rather not see anything short of perfection. SMH

GaijinPunch · Post by **GaijinPunch** » Mon Jul 13, 2009 4:00 am

Sonic R wrote: now attitude has raised in snobbery and people won't even stand for long load times and would rather not see anything short of perfection. SMH

Fucking high brows, and their demands for quality in a product they pay for.

Elixir · Post by **Elixir** » Mon Jul 13, 2009 4:04 am

Sonic R wrote:I remember when the PS2 port was put on the shelf due to issues of the stage 5, and folks were begging for Arika to release it still with buggy stage 5 and even less than perfect game play just for the chance to play the port…

now attitude has raised in snobbery and people won't even stand for long load times and would rather not see anything short of perfection. SMH

Now loading a quality Sonic R post.

Ganelon · Post by **Ganelon** » Mon Jul 13, 2009 4:16 am

GaijinPunch wrote: Fucking high brows, and their demands for quality in a product they pay for.

What a high-brow gag; we need pure shooting.

BiQ · Post by **BiQ** » Mon Jul 13, 2009 7:55 am

Sonic R wrote:I remember when the PS2 port was put on the shelf due to issues of the stage 5, and folks were begging for Arika to release it still with buggy stage 5 and even less than perfect game play just for the chance to play the port…

now attitude has raised in snobbery and people won't even stand for long load times and would rather not see anything short of perfection. SMH

But that's not the whole truth. The fact is that the buggy 5th stage in PS2 Ketsui could have been at least partially forgiven (or not) since it was clear that there just seemed to be no possible way to make it work exactly right. Since everyone knew (knows) from the Espgaluda and DDPDOJ White Label ports Mihara to really be on top of his game people took his word as gospel on this matter.

OTOH when it comes to DOJBLEX: menu layout / structure is nothing else but a design issue, and loading times, arcade-perfectness, etc. should be expected to be at least as good as they were on PS2 just because that XBOX360 is a whole console generation better, faster and stronger than PS2. The problems in BLEX look like they were born out of incompetence rather than real problems of squeezing the last drops of bottlenecked power of the hardware.

At this point, I just hope that 5pb outsources the Ketsui port development to Arika.

Disclaimer: I have never played BLEX nor do I own that or any xbox. I do own (and occasionally even play) the PS2 port.

emphatic · Post by **emphatic** » Mon Jul 13, 2009 9:37 am

IIRC the PS2 port of Ketsui could have been released with a small "pit stop" for loading (as the 5th stage is somewhat longer/has bigger variety of enemies)? Problem is, would you want to play a super-intense stage only to have it interrupted by a "now loading" screen, and then thrown back into the action 15 seconds later?

Let's hope we get a CAVE port of Ketsui for 360 instead, with a 1.1 mode, or even a Black Label DLC later on when the sales has sky-rocketed.

Chiaroscuro · Post by **Chiaroscuro** » Mon Jul 13, 2009 12:06 pm

BiQ wrote: OTOH when it comes to DOJBLEX: menu layout / structure is nothing else but a design issue, and loading times, arcade-perfectness, etc. should be expected to be at least as good as they were on PS2 just because that XBOX360 is a whole console generation better, faster and stronger than PS2. The problems in BLEX look like they were born out of incompetence rather than real problems of squeezing the last drops of bottlenecked power of the hardware.

2x

This is simple no excuses for this port. I will tolarate a long loading time, but... loading times for the company logo at the begining? Loading times every single time you choose and option or go back to the previous menu?

Besides, there is lack of consistence in the menus, sometimes the back/cancel button is the B button, sometimes the start button, sometimes even the back button.

That is simple incopetence. It is not even near the emulation/game.

Post by **BulletMagnet** » Mon Jul 13, 2009 5:03 pm

Ganelon wrote:What a high-brow gag; we need pure shooting.

Okay, I'm one of the three people on the site who gets that reference, who are the other two?

BIL · Post by **BIL** » Mon Jul 13, 2009 5:20 pm

I got it too, but I'm not yet high-brow enough to afford the relevant game.

Post by **Ghegs** » Mon Jul 13, 2009 6:44 pm

BulletMagnet wrote:
Ganelon wrote:What a high-brow gag; we need pure shooting.
Okay, I'm one of the three people on the site who gets that reference, who are the other two?

o/

Sonic R · Post by **Sonic R** » Mon Jul 13, 2009 8:41 pm

BulletMagnet wrote:
Ganelon wrote:What a high-brow gag; we need pure shooting.
Okay, I'm one of the three people on the site who gets that reference, who are the other two?

I know of the reference. I play console games for Fs sake

evil_ash_xero · Post by **evil_ash_xero** » Mon Jul 13, 2009 8:50 pm

Sonic R wrote:
BulletMagnet wrote:
Ganelon wrote:What a high-brow gag; we need pure shooting.
Okay, I'm one of the three people on the site who gets that reference, who are the other two?
I know of the reference. I play console games for Fs sake

Oh I get it too. So, that's 4. Set the ray to Jerry!

Raizen1984 · Post by **Raizen1984** » Mon Jul 13, 2009 11:52 pm

I don't get it. Someone explain plz.

Sonic R · Post by **Sonic R** » Tue Jul 14, 2009 1:44 am

Raizen1984 wrote:I don't get it. Someone explain plz.

Kron · Post by **Kron** » Tue Aug 04, 2009 9:39 am

So then, Is anything happening with this one?

The 5pb site hasn't removed or updated the groveling message from 2 months back and the games page is still the same, Nothing from Mihara/Arika or Cave???

Elixir · Post by **Elixir** » Tue Aug 04, 2009 10:19 am

Mihara is working with Sakari to patch DOJBLEX up.

I wouldn't be surprised if Mihara helped the Ketsui port along with the PS2 code he has for it.

adversity1 · Post by **adversity1** » Tue Aug 04, 2009 10:49 am

There's been a few replies at Mihara's blog about what format he's thinking about for the patch, and whether to add new content or not. But basically the big presentation will be at the CAVE matsuri mid-August. That's when we'll find out what the hell's going on with both titles it seems.

Udderdude · Post by **Udderdude** » Tue Aug 04, 2009 3:12 pm

Too bad, I already sold my copy of dodgeblex for $5 and a ham sandwich.

Jockel · Post by **Jockel** » Tue Aug 04, 2009 7:37 pm

your mistake, the first print's gonna be *rare* L@@K when the proper version comes out.

Shelcoof · Post by **Shelcoof** » Tue Aug 04, 2009 8:24 pm

Jockel wrote:your mistake, the first print's gonna be *rare* L@@K when the proper version comes out.

lol it probably will be rare but I doubt anyone would care or pay much for it

Elixir · Post by **Elixir** » Wed Aug 05, 2009 1:20 am

Shelcoof wrote:
Jockel wrote:your mistake, the first print's gonna be *rare* L@@K when the proper version comes out.
lol it probably will be rare but I doubt anyone would care or pay much for it

Did you completely forget about Ibara? Let's see why it's selling for a high price:

- People are idiots
- Yeah that's pretty much it

But DOJBLEX is still in stock everywhere so whatever.

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