Ketsui X and Daioujou Black Label X - Ports for Xbox 360

ncp · Post by **ncp** » Thu Jun 18, 2009 12:00 am

emphatic wrote:Yes, and the cool thing is that the cosplayers are all dressed up as the options, not the death lolis themselves.

Hahahahaha

Jockel · Post by **Jockel** » Thu Jun 18, 2009 7:21 am

"Swallow it whole, owl!"

emphatic · Post by **emphatic** » Thu Jun 18, 2009 8:14 am

Jockel wrote:"Swallow it whole, owl!"

You know those wacky penguins from MBL? Their gums are really nice and smooth...

Jockel · Post by **Jockel** » Thu Jun 18, 2009 9:40 am

you won.

MADEIRA STEVE88 · Post by **MADEIRA STEVE88** » Thu Jun 18, 2009 11:38 am

I pretty much have to hope this find it way over to the UK because i dont have a Jap360. How i wish!

Zero Gunner · Post by **Zero Gunner** » Thu Jun 18, 2009 7:52 pm

And here I was thinking some new info was about due and instead I run into a very disturbing conversation about foul things being done to poor little options. Thanks guys! Now I need a shower...

Post by **undamned** » Fri Jun 19, 2009 5:16 am

jonny5 wrote:
undamned wrote:As much as Ketsui for 360 is still in limbo [for all we know], the PCB price is steadily dropping. If we never get the 360 port, at least the PCB is more accessible now.
-ud
dropping? where?

its still $900-$1000.....and i would blame the economy for any drops rather than a 'maybe' port that, even if released, will probably be very bad

Oh, I dunno, Japan, maybe? If you don't believe me, here are the Ketsui PCB auctions that closed this week:

PCB w/ Original Full Factory Art for 84,697 JPY on 06/14/2009 Welcome To Reality.

PCB for 72,890 JPY on 06/17/2009 Welcome To Reality.

PCB w/ Original EVAC folder and card case for 71,000 JPY on 06/18/2009 Welcome To Reality.

PCB w/ Copied Art for 79,000 JPY on 06/19/2009 Welcome To Reality.

If this were sales in the US I could blame the economy, but this is in Japan. Are you saying the Japanese have stopped caring about Ketsui?
-ud

Pda · Post by **Pda** » Fri Jun 19, 2009 5:28 am

After middleman's fee and quality shipment to you from Japan,that's still around 900$+ though...

Now,loose PCBs were perhaps going a bit higher 6 months ago on YA.

jpj · Post by **jpj** » Fri Jun 19, 2009 5:40 am

for UK/euro members, those are not exactly bargain prices. £500+ is pretty much exactly the same price as it would be buying here on the forum

dcharlie · Post by **dcharlie** » Fri Jun 19, 2009 7:00 am

for UK/euro members, those are not exactly bargain prices. £500+ is pretty much exactly the same price as it would be buying here on the forum

yup, the relative collapse of the exchange rate between GBP and the Yen has offset the drop in price too.

At 120 yen to the pound, it was looking horrific for importers. Gained since then but still short of the 200+ (or the 248 yen days of yore!)

Chi_Ryu · Post by **Chi_Ryu** » Fri Jun 19, 2009 10:56 am

jpj wrote:for UK/euro members, those are not exactly bargain prices. £500+ is pretty much exactly the same price as it would be buying here on the forum

Indeed, even the cheapest auction that was linked to equates to £445, and that is pre-shipping, middleman fees, exchange rate crap and VAT@15% (not to mention the Parcel Force clearing fee of £13). Once you are done with all that it's more likely to be approx £575-590, which isn't much cheaper than I've seen 'em go for (they've been averaging £600 shipped over here in the past 6 months).

'Course, if you've got someone who'll act as a cheap middleman, things would be different.

A price drop in Japan is only any use once the landed price drops below the domestic rates in a country. I'm hoping it does drop, so I can re-buy it on the cheap

jonny5 · Post by **jonny5** » Fri Jun 19, 2009 12:04 pm

Pda wrote:After middleman's fee and quality shipment to you from Japan,that's still around 900$+ though...

Now,loose PCBs were perhaps going a bit higher 6 months ago on YA.

this^

thanx for the links tho

reality is nice, huh?

hirounder · Post by **hirounder** » Fri Jun 19, 2009 12:35 pm

Interesting news...

The Big DoDonPachi Controversy
5pb admits source code copied for troubled 360 shooter.

Did it seem a little odd to you when 5pb. suspended shipments on the Xbox 360 version of DoDonPachi back in March? The company cited "various circumstances" for the stoppage, which came over a month after the original version's release.

Today, one possible "circumstance" came to light.

The company posted a notice at its official site disclosing that in making the Xbox 360 version of the game, fully titled DoDonPachi Daioujou Black Label Extra, developer Aqua Systems had made use of the source code from PS2's DoDonPachi Daioujo. The developer produced the 360 version based off the source code, which it had obtained from a company that managed the code.

This may sound like a good way to speed up the porting process. The problem is, Aqua Systems didn't actually have the rights to the source code.

5pb. learned of the issue after Cave and Arika, publishers of, respectively, the arcade and PS2 versions of the game, asked that it look into the matter. This request came after the game's release.

In its notice, 5pb. said that, as the 360 version's publisher, it takes full responsibility for the copied source code, as well as for the trouble caused by the shipment stoppage. The company did not specifically state that shipment stoppage was due to the source code issue, so it could be unrelated.

The 5pb. notice also contained an apology for delays in a promised bug fix update for the game. An update of some form was promised back in March but never surfaced. According to the notice, it's still on the way.

In closing, the company said that it takes the source code issue seriously and that it will be putting care into fixing its development system and quality management in order to avoid a repeat occurrence.

http://www.andriasang.com/e/blog/2009/0 ... ntroversy/

moozooh · Post by **moozooh** » Fri Jun 19, 2009 12:39 pm

So they actually outsourced DOJBLEX's development to another company? And how did Aqua Systems even get the PS2 DOJ's source code; by reverse-engineering?

jonny5 · Post by **jonny5** » Fri Jun 19, 2009 12:42 pm

kiss that ketsui port goodbye kiddies

hirounder · Post by **hirounder** » Fri Jun 19, 2009 12:49 pm

jonny5 wrote:kiss that ketsui port goodbye kiddies

Nah they'll just outsource it to someone else...maybe Arika this time, who the hell are Aqua Systems anyway?

jonny5 · Post by **jonny5** » Fri Jun 19, 2009 12:50 pm

hirounder wrote:
jonny5 wrote:kiss that ketsui port goodbye kiddies
Nah they'll just outsource it to someone else...maybe Arika this time, who the hell are Aqua Systems anyway?

but after this news it wouldnt be surprising if cave pulls there license

brokenhalo · Post by **brokenhalo** » Fri Jun 19, 2009 1:28 pm

copies of DDPDOJBLEX selling for $300+ on ebay in 5...4...3...

agustusx · Post by **agustusx** » Fri Jun 19, 2009 1:34 pm

now im even more confused as to why it took so long to come out in the first place. *sigh*

croikle · Post by **croikle** » Fri Jun 19, 2009 1:59 pm

...and why it sucked so much compared to the PS2 version.

MADEIRA STEVE88 · Post by **MADEIRA STEVE88** » Fri Jun 19, 2009 3:13 pm

Wish i could play this on my Pal 360, stupid ms declining them coming to XBLA.

bucklemyshoe · Post by **bucklemyshoe** » Fri Jun 19, 2009 3:15 pm

...and why 5pb would even want to license cave games if they don't give a shit about them?

BIL · Post by **BIL** » Fri Jun 19, 2009 3:17 pm

Bunch of plonkers.

Udderdude · Post by **Udderdude** » Fri Jun 19, 2009 3:26 pm

GAME FUCKING OVER.

adversity1 · Post by **adversity1** » Fri Jun 19, 2009 4:17 pm

Holy fuck, this is a crazy interesting development.

No wonder Mihara had a big red text on his blog telling he would "not comment on anything".

Two reasons this is hilarious:

1. Mihara tore apart the port perfection, in his first post about the game telling people he considered it 30% of the arcade quality.

2. 5pb is an even shittier company than we thought.

Really this is just amazing to me.

Elixir · Post by **Elixir** » Fri Jun 19, 2009 4:26 pm

So are they going to permanently recall the game?

Mihara basically tore apart his own game. Hahaha.

E. Randy Dupre · Post by **E. Randy Dupre** » Fri Jun 19, 2009 4:34 pm

Hang on, does this mean that the glitches that were being complained about by all those people who own both the PS2 and 360 versions were also present in that PS2 conversion?

Joke isn't just on 5pb and Arika here, but also Cave. They gave these numpties the licence for the 360 conversion, after all.

adversity1 · Post by **adversity1** » Fri Jun 19, 2009 4:34 pm

Elixir wrote:So are they going to permanently recall the game?

Mihara basically tore apart his own game. Hahaha.

Reading 2ch and 5pb's site, looks like they're going to pay CAVE and Arika damages, and also somehow update the game though one wonders how they will legitimately do this.

Sakari Masaki is already being burned in effigy on 2ch, but I have to wonder if it wasn't just him being an achievement whore and outsourcing the development to this Aqua systems place which led to its employees just jacking the code.

Ketsui is currently still on the 5pb page FWIW.

Also, I was definitely one of the ones complaining about this port, but it wasn't about the port accuracy which I had basically no problem with, it was the crippling glitches that could affect a scoring run as well as the undergrad flash project interface that I objected to and still do. Keep in mind that Aqua and 5pb apparently altered the code in addition to copying it, which they would have had to do to make it resemble Black Label.

Udderdude · Post by **Udderdude** » Fri Jun 19, 2009 4:41 pm

E. Randy Dupre wrote:Hang on, does this mean that the glitches that were being complained about by all those people who own both the PS2 and 360 versions were also present in that PS2 conversion?

Clearly those bugs aren't there, or people would have noticed long before the 360 version came out. What prob. happened is they copied and/or "referenced" some of the PS2 code, and wrote some of it again from scratch.

I imagine if they started completely from scratch, it would have been even worse. ::shudder::

E. Randy Dupre · Post by **E. Randy Dupre** » Fri Jun 19, 2009 4:51 pm

Yeah, that's what I thought. So the lulz at Arika slating their own work aren't really lulz at all.

I know I've heard of Aqua Systems before - convinced of it - but I can't place them.

I was really looking forwards to Ketsui - never played it before, but loved Death Label (stupid tap-tap-tap accidental [?] scoring system notwithstanding). What do we reckon the chances are that Cave'll try and wrestle the licence back to issue to another team, rather than abandoning the idea of ever getting the game into the home? It seems cursed.