Nintendo releasing mini NES HDMI pre-loaded w/ games!

[Fudoh]

not speaking of Super Mario Bros.

And before you judge: fire up an emu and play the European re-release version of Mario Bros. It's a night and day difference.

[FBX]

not speaking of Super Mario Bros.

And before you judge: fire up an emu and play the European re-release version of Mario Bros. It's a night and day difference.

My mistake. I forgot there was 'regular' Mario Bros.

[Ikaruga11]

So 50hz is cartridge-based? Meaning a PAL cartridge runs at 50Hz?

[kamiboy]

If they are PAL optimized then yes. Not many games got this treatment though, so they just ran slower. Curiously enough many games had their music PAL optimized so it would run at the correct speed on a PAL machine, but would run too fast on an NTSC machines all while the gameplay was the other way around.

[Fudoh]

It's system based. A NTSC NES will always output in 60Hz, a PAL one always in 50Hz. Adjusted games just run at "NTSC-speed" on PAL systems (at 25/50fps instead of 30/60fps) though.

[Tatsuya79]

PAL also transforms muscular mercenaries into robots.
Will it happen again on this system in Europe?

[RGB32E]

http://enthusiast.gg/2521/tons-of-new-d ... s-and-more

This is interesting! No mention of 1080p or 5x5 pixel by pixel scaling though, but at least there might be 3 scaling modes!

[Ikaruga11]

What is interesting is that we can play through HDMI, but there will be different modes of how we will see the screen – a mode simulating the retro aspect of our old CRT screens, there will be a mode which can be at the resolution of the modern screens in 4:3 format, and a pixel perfect mode which will display each pixel as a square, so people can have fun with this too.

Yes, there will be permanent save points and instant temporary saves to be able to resume and that’s for every single of the 30 games, so we don’t have to worry if we don’t have a password, or restart right at the beginning…

8:7 mode, savestates, scanline filters, etc.

[bobrocks95]

Hope there isn't excessive blurring in the 4:3 mode- the fact that there's even a pixel-perfect scaling mode shows they're thinking more about the picture output than I thought they would.

[Ikaruga11]

I think the NES Mini will render at native 1080p. Most people have 1080p TVs. 240p makes no sense and being upscaled to 1080p results in a horrible non-integer scale.

[atheistgod1999]

I think the NES Mini will render at native 1080p. Most people have 1080p TVs. 240p makes no sense and being upscaled to 1080p results in a horrible non-integer scale.

How would it render at 1080p if the games were programmed to be 240p? I think it will render at 960p and pad it with black bars 60 pixels tall on the top and bottom.

[Ikaruga11]

I think the NES Mini will render at native 1080p. Most people have 1080p TVs. 240p makes no sense and being upscaled to 1080p results in a horrible non-integer scale.

How would it render at 1080p if the games were programmed to be 240p? I think it will render at 960p and pad it with black bars 60 pixels tall on the top and bottom.

Or add borders like the Super GameBoy.

[bigbadboaz]

Not particularly surprised they're paying some degree of attention to the output at this point in time, but pleased. Crossing my fingers they have their eyes open wide enough to put real controller-length cords on the controllers. The display shown recently wasn't encouraging.

[Fudoh]

I think the NES Mini will render at native 1080p. Most people have 1080p TVs. 240p makes no sense and being upscaled to 1080p results in a horrible non-integer scale.

I think it will render at 960p and pad it with black bars 60 pixels tall on the top and bottom.

my bet is that's it output will be 720p. This makes it a hundred times easier to simply have games running in a 1:3 integer scaling lock.

[creamygarlicdip]

im curious to see what kind of hacks/mods people come up with for this.

[Josh128]

http://enthusiast.gg/2521/tons-of-new-d ... s-and-more

This is interesting! No mention of 1080p or 5x5 pixel by pixel scaling though, but at least there might be 3 scaling modes!

Broken link.

[Fudoh]

in this case it's a server error. I already read that page yesterday.

[RGB0b]

This article mentions "pixel perfect" mode, which is the same term Nintendo uses to describe the GBA Virtual Console game modes - 720p and 1080p have black bars on the top & bottom to compensate for the GBA's resolution when integer scaled. I would interpret that to mean 1080p with black bars...but who knows: http://www.ign.com/articles/2016/08/07/ ... ave-points

[Obiwanshinobi]

Who's already got one? I confess wanting to buy it as a present for my nephew (2 years old now, showing remarkable interest in TVs and remotes). While the likes of WipeOut HD and Gradius V didn't seem to catch his attention, SMS games (Bara Burū and Captain Silver) very much did. (As did Super Monkey Ball - demanding clarification what was going on there - and Battle Gear 2/Tokyo Road Race -"vroom, vroom" in his very words).

So, if this thing is well made - no 50 Hz, no lag - I'd be willing to shell out. Wouldn't mind a Game & Watch reappearance of the sort either.

[nem]

Who's already got one?

Release is in November.

[Obiwanshinobi]

Here's a thought - if considered a multi-game physical copy, it takes no more storage space than even loose NES carts would, does it? So at the asking price, shouldn't be awful a deal (assuming it will be as playable as the original versions).

[mikejmoffitt]

Assuming the emulation is good (in many respects), there's a great value in having a well-represented selection of good NES titles to give as a gift to somebody who is less technically inclined, expecting it to "just work". For the layperson, hooking up an NES to a modern HDTV is at best mediocre, with composite video, and at worst it simply doesn't work (480i only TVs, or no composite jack). For these people, setting up a Raspberry Pi with some bullshit emulation suite is not a good option either (I don't expect them to be able to fuddle with settings to get it "just right", and they may see things like stuttering, v-sync tearing, lagging audio, etc. as just "how games used to be back then").

[Chocograph]

I bought one and an extra controller. I'll wait and see what people do to them. I'd much rather put a retropie in it with all the NES games. Maybe someone somehow hack it and figures out rom injection. That or I'll give it to my brother for christmas. And you can be DANG sure I'll be there when the snes mini is announced. It's going to sell so much.

[RGB0b]

http://www.target.com/p/nintendo-entert ... A-51431883

[Ikaruga11]

Data Storage Capacity: 2GB Hard Drive Capacity

[Guspaz]

Were you expecting something different? The OS and UI take up space, and 2GB of NAND goes for around $0.45 at the current spot price. They couldn't save much money trying to cram it on a smaller chip, especially considering that manufacturing volumes drop with smaller flash dies (less demand) and so the cost-per-gig goes up as you get smaller.

[Einzelherz]

Were you expecting something different? The OS and UI take up space, and 2GB of NAND goes for around $0.45 at the current spot price. They couldn't save much money trying to cram it on a smaller chip, especially considering that manufacturing volumes drop with smaller flash dies (less demand) and so the cost-per-gig goes up as you get smaller.

Perhaps he just was posting something he thought was interesting. Not everything is an affront to you personally, you know.

[Ikaruga11]

I mean, isn't 2GB enough to hold nearly every NES game?

[Guspaz]

Every NES game ever made takes up 237 MB, they're generally pretty small.

[Guspaz]

Perhaps he just was posting something he thought was interesting. Not everything is an affront to you personally, you know.

My apologies, I didn't mean for it to come off that way.