2008 USA Presidential Primaries thread

[Neon]

Was he impaled on a missile in outer space? I'll have to reference that one...

It's near the instructions for the Holy Handgrenade of Antioch

[Turrican]

So, it's "Super Tuesday" tomorrow.

[GaijinPunch]

So, it's "Super Tuesday" tomorrow.

Finally.. we can quit seeing the same sides fight each other and direct all their negativity to the other side.

[Randorama]

So, it's "Super Tuesday" tomorrow.

Finally.. we can quit seeing the same sides fight each other and direct all their negativity to the other side.

"Ouch! Don't look at me, I voted for Kang!"

[jp]

So, it's "Super Tuesday" tomorrow.

Finally.. we can quit seeing the same sides fight each other and direct all their negativity to the other side.

"Ouch! Don't look at me, I voted for Kang!"

I originally read this as:
"Ouch! Don't look at me, I voted for Krang!

Its too early for me to be up.

[Randorama]

I meant Kang and Kong, from the Simpsons and specifically from...season 5 halloween episode, I think.


But obviously, there is only one guy to vote, in 2k8. I mean, Why settle for the lesser evil?

[Fighter17]

How many votes Obama is going to get.......

This is going to be fun.

[jp]

How many votes Obama is going to get.......

Too many.


I've pretty much accepted that the next four years are going to be hell for this country, and nothing is going to change for the better.

[jp]

I meant Kang and Kong, from the Simpsons and specifically from...season 5 halloween episode, I think.


But obviously, there is only one guy to vote, in 2k8. I mean, Why settle for the lesser evil?

Rando, you are my hero. In fact, I'm going to write that one in today.

[Fighter17]

I've pretty much accepted that the next four years are going to be hell for this country, and nothing is going to change for the better.

Pretty sad way of thinking. I believe it won't be hell like Carter's era.

[djvinc]

I've pretty much accepted that the next four years are going to be hell for this country, and nothing is going to change for the better.

In my opinion, nothing can be worse than Bush's 3000 billion dollars budget proposal.
He better sells directly the country to the chinese, instead of letting them financing the deficits .

Also, if the prices of electronic goods in dollars could be re-evaluated, it would be nice, I'm tired of paying 30% more for the same stuff in Europe, and therefore financing americans to buy the same electronic products.

I guess democrat is the way to go. An opinion poll conducted in France shows that people here like Obama slightly more than Ms. Clinton. Well I don't know how they can decide based on what they know from the candidates. It could some primitive opinion like "black male candidate > white female candidate".

[Randorama]

Rando, you are my hero. In fact, I'm going to write that one in today.

I am pretty sure that Chaosium will soon reprint "Chtulhu for president", 2k8 version. I remember the game to be quite fun!

[it290]

I've pretty much accepted that the next four years are going to be hell for this country, and nothing is going to change for the better.

Pretty sad way of thinking. I believe it won't be hell like Carter's era.

Right, the last eight years were sunshine and fucking roses.

[GaijinPunch]

I've pretty much accepted that the next four years are going to be hell for this country, and nothing is going to change for the better.

The same thing I predicted both times Bush was elected. I was right both times. I knew he was a douche bag even during the brief time he was cool.

I believe it won't be hell like Carter's era.

Yeah, you must have had it really rough back then in the womb... or in your dad's nutsack, actually.

[Fighter17]

I guess democrat is the way to go. An opinion poll conducted in France shows that people here like Obama slightly more than Ms. Clinton. Well I don't know how they can decide based on what they know from the candidates. It could some primitive opinion like "black male candidate > white female candidate".

If you watched the Democratic debates like I have in my opinion they are both weak on many issues.

Hilliary is using the gender card and the Bill card while Obama is using the race card.

Hilliary and Obama are intelligent people (in my opinion Hilliary is even smarter than Obama) don't get me wrong, but I really don't want either of them to be President.

Obama is not ready to be President. He can speak that's for sure, but only two years as a Congress Senator for experience? And is he ready to be President after only being in Congress for two years?

And he said I didn't support the war on Iraq. You wasn't even in Congress back then.

Right, the last eight years were sunshine and fucking roses.

Consider back in the Carter era there was double-digit inflation, interest rate up the ass, really high unemployment, can't even afford to buy a home back then, this era is noting compare to Carter.

But still Bush is an idiot.

Yeah, you must have had it really rough back then in the womb... or in your dad's nutsack, actually.

It's call let history judge us. Carter was one of the worse Presidents of the 20th century. Talk to anyone who lived in the Carter era and they'll agree.

If you think Carter was not bad I really think you must be on crack. Sorry but he was a terrible President and he's even worse than Bush (and Bush still sucks).

Tell me Gaijin do you actually vote for American Presidents? Most likely not because you live in Japan and etc.

[djvinc]

People outside the US territory do vote.
I heard that there was a mess 4 years ago with this kind of votes (those attached to Florida), allowing Bush to be elected
But who cares now.

[Fighter17]

People outside the US territory do vote.

I presume if you have American Citizenship you can vote.

[djvinc]

So Gaijin can if he wants. I don't really understand why you say he doesn't ?

[it290]

Consider back in the Carter era there was double-digit inflation, interest rate up the ass, really high unemployment, can't even afford to buy a home back then, this era is noting compare to Carter.

My apologies, I did not mean to allow myself to be drawn into this conversation, nor did I mean to provoke your regurgitation of miscellaneous 'facts' and phrases which you have so obviously digested without the aid of the merest concession to the art of critical thinking.

[Fighter17]

So Gaijin can if he wants. I don't really understand why you say he doesn't ?

I don't know the whole rules myself.

But it sounds reasonable you can vote if you have American Citizenship if you live outside the US.

My apologies, I did not mean to allow myself to be drawn into this conversation, nor did I mean to provoke your regurgitation of miscellaneous 'facts' and phrases which you have so obviously digested without the aid of the merest concession to the art of critical thinking.

Have you ever taken an American History course in College?

You don't even need to take an American History course. Open up a history textbook and see the facts yourself. History never lies.

[Ozymandiaz1260]

Open up a history textbook and see the facts yourself. History never lies.

lol

[Turrican]

Right, the last eight years were sunshine and fucking roses.

Consider back in the Carter era there was double-digit inflation, interest rate up the ass, really high unemployment, can't even afford to buy a home back then, this era is noting compare to Carter.

Just how much naive can you be? Presidents do create economics magically from their own hands. It sure was Carter's fault for each of those things - the day before elections US was heaven on earth, then he systematically destroyed the country economics. No long-term processes, no international situation, no global economy involved; only a bunch of voters, a guy who gets on the throne and reshape reality to his will's image.

Of course, the fact that a triplet if not four of Carter predecessors had thrown the US into an hell of a wrong war, that ended only two years before Carter's presidency, that doesn't count either I guess. It was the evil Carter which started the inflation to harm poor US citizens.

p.s. yes, before you ask, I've taken a course of U.S. history at the university.

[Moleculoman]

I'm hoping for an Obama vs. McCain matchup, pitting youth and optimism against aging decrepit war pony of the past.

In this circumstance I believe Obama will win. Resoundingly.

If it's Clintion vs. McCain...that will be a more interesting matchup.


On to Suppa Tuesday!

[it290]

Fighter17 - setting aside your rather galling presumption that no one on this forum other than yourself has any experience, either first- or secondhand of the Carter administration or any knowledge of history, as well as your predisposition to confuse your own interpretation of rather dubious 'facts' as the facts themselves:

Suppose (if only for the sake of argument) that I were to concede your first point- that the Carter years were 'hell' as you put it. Does that by default make Carter an abysmal president? The Civil War was hell by any reckoning, yet Lincoln is fondly remembered as one of our greatest leaders. One does not necessarily follow the other. Similarly, although I am no fan of Bush, I also realize that the subprime lending crisis is only peripherally related to his economic policy, and so I don't blame him for it. I'm certainly not claiming that Carter was a paragon of leadership, but unless you can more effectively demonstrate why he was so terrible, you're simply wasting your breath.

I'm not trying to persuade you, however: I do realize that your dogmatic insistence on the correctness and factuality of your own views is critical to your own emotional well-being, and that for you to consider otherwise might lead to serious mental instability.

[jpj]

'but i read it in a book, yo!'

[GaijinPunch]

Tell me Gaijin do you actually vote for American Presidents? Most likely not because you live in Japan and etc.

Presidents? No. I generally vote for the ones that don't become President. People such as myself can vote via an "absentee ballot". And djvinc was right, although it wasn't exactly the same (from what I've read now). You don't have to be out of the country to absentee vote. You can simply be "absent" as it were. The rules for absentee voting get kind of gray though. For me, it's very black and white. I live abroad. I can vote absentee. It is basically the only benefit I get on the US side of things while living abroad. US is the only developed nation which requires it's citizens to pay taxes even when they don't live there. I guess there's some truth that I will enjoy roads and parks and whatnot at some time if I go back. I get no immediate satisfaction though.

'but i read it in a book, yo!'

Milhouse: If it was in a book, it must be true!

[Fighter17]

Just how much naive can you be? Presidents do create economics magically from their own hands. It sure was Carter's fault for each of those things - the day before elections US was heaven on earth, then he systematically destroyed the country economics. No long-term processes, no international situation, no global economy involved; only a bunch of voters, a guy who gets on the throne and reshape reality to his will's image.

Of course, the fact that a triplet if not four of Carter predecessors had thrown the US into an hell of a wrong war, that ended only two years before Carter's presidency, that doesn't count either I guess. It was the evil Carter which started the inflation to harm poor US citizens.

Then why Carter made problems of American 10 time worse? He tried to fix some of the problems but he failed to the ground. And what happen in Iran, Jesus Christ.

True, Presidents gets a lot of BS from other Presidents, but it's their job to try to fix it. Carter failed big time.

He's not a evil person, but he's a terrible, terrible President who failed big time.

And when the 1980 elections came along with Regan wining 91% of the electoral votes (and most of the popular vote), people didn't think too highly of Carter at all.

Fighter17 - setting aside your rather galling presumption that no one on this forum other than yourself has any experience, either first- or secondhand of the Carter administration or any knowledge of history, as well as your predisposition to confuse your own interpretation of rather dubious 'facts' as the facts themselves

What interpretation, that's what happen. Double Inflation, High Unemployment, really high interest rate which you can't even afford to buy a home back then.

Suppose (if only for the sake of argument) that I were to concede your first point- that the Carter years were 'hell' as you put it. Does that by default make Carter an abysmal president? The Civil War was hell by any reckoning, yet Lincoln is fondly remembered as one of our greatest leaders. One does not necessarily follow the other. Similarly, although I am no fan of Bush, I also realize that the subprime lending crisis is only peripherally related to his economic policy, and so I don't blame him for it. I'm certainly not claiming that Carter was a paragon of leadership, but unless you can more effectively demonstrate why he was so terrible, you're simply wasting your breath.

Look up.

I'm not trying to persuade you, however: I do realize that your dogmatic insistence on the correctness and factuality of your own views is critical to your own emotional well-being, and that for you to consider otherwise might lead to serious mental instability.

Saying what actually happen is mental instability?

'but i read it in a book, yo!'

History affects the present and the future.

Presidents? No. I generally vote for the ones that don't become President. People such as myself can vote via an "absentee ballot". And djvinc was right, although it wasn't exactly the same (from what I've read now). You don't have to be out of the country to absentee vote. You can simply be "absent" as it were. The rules for absentee voting get kind of gray though. For me, it's very black and white. I live abroad. I can vote absentee. It is basically the only benefit I get on the US side of things while living abroad. US is the only developed nation which requires it's citizens to pay taxes even when they don't live there. I guess there's some truth that I will enjoy roads and parks and whatnot at some time if I go back. I get no immediate satisfaction though.

Well you live in Japan for years now so ever thinking about giving up your citizenship? Are you planning to ever return to the US?

[JoshF]

The only thing intelligent in a Fighter17 post is between the

tags. You'd think he'd know the one-liners aren't going to cut it by now.

History affects the present and the future.

There is no knowledge that is not power.

[Randorama]

I'd propose for someone to vote N.6, as well. Then, after voting, he goes out and take the first innocent and says "6, 6, vo-ote N.6!".

[Turrican]

Oh yeah, the hostage crisis. True, what a low point of U.S. diplomacy. Oh wait, let's see what does surround Carter's presidency - before him Watergate scandal in domestic and suppressing Chile's democracy in the foreign. And what comes after Carter, oh right, the Contra affair - funding pro-Somoza "Freedom Fighters". (what happened in Nicaragua, Jesus Christ )

I can only add that from a foreign pov, compared to these bloodstained politics, the hostage incident has around the same weight as getting a bj. But I guess if you were able to buy an home under Reagan, then this obvious merit does erase all sorts of human rights violations. Who cares how many dictators you support if you are indeed able to lower inflation...

And when the 1980 elections came along with Regan wining 91% of the electoral votes (and most of the popular vote), people didn't think too highly of Carter at all.

I think Bulletmagnet already replied to this before.