OSSC (DIY video digitizer & scandoubler)

[philexile]

Hello,

I purchased a DIY OSSC from Marqs way back in March. At the time, I thought it would be a fun little project, but after an extremely busy winter and back-to-back illnesses for the past few weeks – it looks more like a pain.

Are there any reputable stateside modders willing to take on this project? I'm in NYC if that matters.

Please PM me.

Thank you,
Phil

[Mantrox]

First of all here's some photo's of the OSSC beast doing it's work.
You will have to excuse the quality of the photos, as it is hard getting them sharp, with true colours and no moire patterns and the like.

Game: Cotton 2
Console: Japanese Sega Saturn
Video chain: Original RGB Scart(which has shielding of dubious quality) -> OSSC -> Dell U2715H






Any color, brightness, moire or jailbar like issue you see, is the result of my poor camera work, as the image the OSSC produces is very good.
Another issue lies in my inability to make my harmony remote work with the OSSC.
In these shots the OSSC is working with whatever settings it came with, and some very light scanlines; since i can't change the settings without the remote, i think...

How can i make a programmable remote work with the OSSC, without having a remote already programmed with the codes to learn from?

[BuckoA51]

Nice shots!

If the Harmony is compatible with Pronto style codes, you can get the button codes here - http://junkerhq.net/xrgb/index.php/OSSC-Remote

[CobraKing]

@Mantrox

Thank you for the excellent pictures and review. Can't wait to get my order in!

[Mantrox]

Nice shots!

If the Harmony is compatible with Pronto style codes, you can get the button codes here - http://junkerhq.net/xrgb/index.php/OSSC-Remote

It seems it isn't compatible, and there isn't a software for me to load codes onto it.
There was some homebrew software to do it, but it seems that some of them interacted with logitech harmony's previous website and others were standalone, but i can't find any links that are still live.

I'm kind of in a bind here :S
Aren't the IR codes used by the OSSC, used in any NEC product?
That way, maybe i could load the profile of a specific TV or AV NEC appliance and use some of the buttons?

I already loaded some random NEC TV profile, and the OSSC led flashes when i press the buttons, but nothing happens.

@Mantrox

Thank you for the excellent pictures and review. Can't wait to get my order in!

i got more coming

[marqs]

I already loaded some random NEC TV profile, and the OSSC led flashes when i press the buttons, but nothing happens.

You need to enter remote control config menu by holding BTN1 (on-board button) while turning on OSSC. Then you can redefine the keys required for operation (remember to save settings after configuration).

[Mantrox]

Thanks marq, quick and simple.
Remote up and running in seconds.

[ZellSF]

Feature request (hoping you get time to work on firmware soon): discreet IR commands for all 6 input modes (not just the three where you have to toggle to get right sync mode).

[Mantrox]

Bonus Garegga shot, why not...
Again, colors, alignment and scale are off because of the photographer, the OSSC is working it's magic.
Same video chain as before.
The scanlines were very light, at 6% i think, as i took this shot before getting the remote to work.


Being honest, when i saw Garegga running, i sat back and clapped.
Very nice work Marq

Edit: oh and btw, the low pass filter is doing god's work filtering out the noise from my crappy rgb cable here.
I switched it off and instantly there was crap all over the signal.
I need to upgrade these

[BazookaBen]

Awesome shots Mantrox.

Maybe in a couple years when supply catches up I can take some shots of one running on a PC CRT.

[Blair]

Question here for marqs or anybody that has the OSSC and other video processors, has anyone tested this device with any of the DVDO scalers? (specifically line triple mode?)

(I put my registration into the videogame perfection newsletter, over a month ago I think. so I'm not sure where I am in the queue, or if I even made it).

my plan was to hook it up to a DVDO Edge Green and my VP50 Pro (and the HD+ eventually). but I'm not sure how strict the HDMI inputs on these units might be with the signal from the OSSC. if anybody has the Edge Green or VP50pro on hand to test I would appreciate it. my main flatscreen television (a 40 inch Samsung) has a very good panel (IPS), but it's deinterlacing and upscaling capabilities are god-awful. so I use the edge green with it as an HDMI hub and video processor.

my other processors I use with my CRTs. I'm looking forward to integrating the OSSC into my video chain ( if I'm ever able to get one, lol). another set of 240p capable inputs is always welcomed, and it seems to have the scanline capabilities i'm looking for, (I'd rather not use SLG's if I can help it).



@Mantrox, those look really great (what kind of panel is that Dell?)

@BazookaBen, I would also be interested in seeing it paired with a high-quality PC CRT or PVM monitor.


I took these screenshots of my current CRT test rig, it would be great if somebody could take some shots of these games on the OSSC for comparison.

Games: Streets of Rage, Revenge of Shinobi
Console: American Sega CDX
Video chain: Coaxial RGB Scart -> VP50pro ->RGB203 rxi vtg ->SLG (100% intensity) -> Lacie Electron 22 blue iv (CRT monitor)

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Camera Settings: ISO 200, White Balance: sunny, Focus: manual,  Resolution: 5m (2560x1920)  4:3

[Mantrox]

Question here for marqs or anybody that has the OSSC and other video processors, has anyone tested this device with any of the DVDO scalers? (specifically line triple mode?)

I have a non green DVDO Edge, but as of now i haven't tested the image quality while feeding it a line-tripled image.
I'll do that later today.

@Mantrox, those look really great (what kind of panel is that Dell?)

The monitor is a Dell U2715H which has a 1440p native LG AH-IPS panel inside.

[Fudoh]

@Blair:

Video chain: Coaxial RGB Scart -> VP50pro ->RGB203 rxi vtg ->SLG (100% intensity) -> Lacie Electron 22 blue iv (CRT monitor) http://i.imgur.com/FYbOFHZ.jpg

very nice low-res CRT look you got there.

[BuckoA51]

Question here for marqs or anybody that has the OSSC and other video processors, has anyone tested this device with any of the DVDO scalers? (specifically line triple mode?)

Tested extensively as was mentioned in the last newsletter, which I'm guessing by that you didn't get? Oh boy this is going to be fun when I'm actually e-mailing people to make orders..

Have a look here - http://www.videogameperfection.com/2016 ... -the-ossc/

[Xyga]

I'll be another one able to test with the EDGE non-green, VP30+ABT102, and VP50 Pro when I receive the OSSC...

[Fudoh]

Have a look here

I didn't see that yet - you should make sure to post relevant updates here as well

[BuckoA51]

Still waiting on that 50pro you promised to sell me too

Also happy to post updates here though on at least one other forum some have issues with me keep spamming links to my site so I tried to tone it down a little

[Fudoh]

on at least one other forum some have issues with me keep spamming links to my site

f**k them. As long as it's OSSC related nobody here in the thread would mind....

Still waiting on that 50pro you promised to sell me too

check your PMs! I can have it ready for shipping tomorrow

[Blair]

The monitor is a Dell U2715H which has a 1440p native LG AH-IPS panel inside.

very nice, the picture looks so vibrant. especially the colors. how is the motion resolution? (ghosting) do you mostly play it in normal mode? (8ms) or fast mode? (6ms)

also, thanks for testing things out.

@Blair: very nice low-res CRT look you got there.

thank you, I learned a lot over the last year of messing around and testing various setups. (much thanks for your help).

the picture quality on this monitor is very good, no noticeable input lag (of course). the colors are fantastic and the blacks are surprisingly detailed.

it's definitely a great way to play older 2D games (heck, even new games look good). I had lots of fun with it. although still not quite the 240p effect I was hoping to achieve. the scanlines still just aren't quite defined enough. that's another reason I'm interested in the OSSC as I believe it should produce 100% black scanlines (am I correct in thinking this?).

Tested extensively as was mentioned in the last newsletter, which I'm guessing by that you didn't get?

no, unfortunately I didn't get any newsletter. and I checked my spam filter, doesn't look like anything has been blocked from VGP.

thanks for the link by the way, that's very encouraging. the original Edge and the Green should be similar enough. and I suspect the VP50pro should be about as flexible (although, I've had compatibility issues with it from certain systems like the PSP-2000, but that was only in analog mode, using a component to HDMI transcoder clears that problem up).

the HD+ is probably the least likely candidate to work with the OSSC's line triple mode (my unit doesn't seem to like any non-standard video modes I feed to it from a PC via HDMI).

on a side note, has anyone tried hooking up a PSP to the OSSC? (240p, 480i and 480p modes?) (remind me, can it add scanlines to 480i and 480p content as well? mostly thinking about certain Dreamcast games).


@Xyga, excellent. thanks for helping out. what version of the VP50pro firmware are you using?

[Fudoh]

and I suspect the VP50pro should be similar (although, I've had compatibility issues with it from certain systems like the PSP-2000, but that was only in analog mode, using a component to HDMI transcoder clears that problem up).

On the 50Pro/OSSC combo I had to unlock the output refresh rate when using the OSSC's tripling mode. This was with a much earlier FW though and I don't have a new OSSC yet, so I can't confirm the current status.

on a side note, has anyone tried hooking up a PSP to the OSSC?

I don't see any problems. Yes, you can add scanlines to 480i and 480p content as well, but using them on 480i didn't look great yet. But I think once the launch is done a little tweaking is all that's needed to get it look fantastic.

[Blair]

ah, I forgot this product is still relatively new and still being actively developed. (unlike most of the other video processors mentioned),

on a side note, is Micomsoft still developing products? (will the FRAMEMEISTER be getting any more updates?)

[Fudoh]

on a side note, is Micomsoft still developing products? (will the FRAMEMEISTER be getting any more updates?)

yes & yes

[Blair]

yes & yes

that's good to know, (and frankly very surprising). do you think they'll put out a "4K" edition of the framemeister?

something that I think would be helpful in future updates to any video processor, is scanline height and width percentage adjustments, especially for outputting past 720p

like this. (not a fan of "skinny" scanlines, )

[Mantrox]

very nice, the picture looks very vibrant. especially the colors. how is the motion resolution? (ghosting) do you mostly play it in normal mode? (8ms) or fast mode? (6ms)

also, thanks for testing things out.

Thanks.
Although it's not a "professional" monitor, it covers a big portion of the ARGB space and it comes calibrated from the factory.
I have it in fast mode ever since i booted it up, so i don't really know if it makes a noticeable difference.

I think i did see some slight ghosting when i booted up PAL Super Probotector in 60Hz when the big red letters scroll by, but i didn't remeber to prod about with the monitor settings.
I'll try it and report back.

[BuckoA51]

no, unfortunately I didn't get any newsletter. and I checked my spam filter, doesn't look like anything has been blocked from VGP.

Please whitelist newsletter@videogameperfection.com (adding to your contacts normally does the trick). If you're using Yahoo, consider switching to a different e-mail provider. I have done everything my end possible to try to get the e-mails out to folks, if people miss their opportunity to buy a unit because of antispam I cannot be held responsible.

[Mantrox]

Sorry to be posting big photos, this a discussion thread not a gallery, but something is bugging me.

Game: Super Ghouls n' Ghosts
Console: PAL Super Nintendo in 60Hz mode.
Video chain: RGB Scart(which has shielding of dubious quality) -> OSSC line tripled-> DVDO Edge 1080P-> Dell U2715H



I don't know what it is but, line triple mode looks squashed or something.
I really need to get a 240p suite on some consoles to stop eyeballing stuff.

There is no pan or zoom of any sort used, game mode on the DVDO is off.

[Fudoh]

you're not supposed to set the Edge to 4:3, but to 16:9, since the OSSC does output a full 1280x720p signal.

But other than that - terrific results!

[RGB32E]

I don't know what it is but, line triple mode looks squashed or something.
I really need to get a 240p suite on some consoles to stop eyeballing stuff.

Too wide or too skinny? Are you using an optimized or generic LT mode?

[Mantrox]

@RGB32E
I was using the generic 4:3, but the answer is the most obvious, im just being an idiot.
If i am sending a widescreen linetripled image to the DVDO why would i set aspect ratio to 4:3, duhhh...

Now it makes sense.
Thanks Fudoh.

[Blair]

Please whitelist newsletter@videogameperfection.com.

done! (i'm using gmail)

If i am sending a widescreen linetripled image to the DVDO why would i set aspect ratio to 4:3,

Now it makes sense.
Thanks Fudoh.

That looks great, can't wait to try one for myself.

One thing Mantrox, you might want to set your DVDO Edge to game mode for a faster image process,