RSG publish DDP Resurrection in Europe

[JJXB]

will definitely be buying this then. thank you RSG. and for the fact we might not be getting ketsuipachi DLC? meh. i'm just thankful we are seeing it on european shores at all. would be a great cherry on top but hey, getting it at all without importing is a miracle in itself.

[Deca]

You mean in-game? The Japanese version of DFK1.5 actually includes the BL soundtrack on the game disc, and of course the DFKBL DLC uses it by default. Purchase of the DLC also unlocks the DFKBL soundtrack for use in any mode on the disc, and lets you choose between them on a song-by-song basis. So if you wanted to play Arrange A mode with the stage themes from 1.5 and the boss themes and stage clear theme from BL, you could (but only after you purchased the Black Label DLC).

Whoah nice!

This may be the most jealous I've been of europe since the Kaido Battle 2 localization. I don't suppose there's any chance of this being regionless

[IseeThings]

Paid DLC for extra modes?

Sorry, they just lost my sale. Put it all in the box, or don't bother. I refuse to buy games where significant parts are extra DLC. I want it to work for years to come, on any Xbox I own, regardless of if Xbox marketplace still exists, and I want to be able to lend it to my friends, can't do that with DLC stuff.

(I won't be pirating it either, I just simply don't care to own such titles, which is a shame, it was a guaranteed sale until I read that part)

[JJXB]

Paid DLC for extra modes?

Sorry, they just lost my sale. Put it all in the box, or don't bother. I refuse to buy games where significant parts are extra DLC. I want it to work for years to come, on any Xbox I own, regardless of if Xbox marketplace still exists, and I want to be able to lend it to my friends, can't do that with DLC stuff.

(I won't be pirating it either, I just simply don't care to own such titles, which is a shame, it was a guaranteed sale until I read that part)

...we are getting what would be considered a niche game (to anyone who doesn't play shmups much). from a series most 360 laymen wouldn't have even HEARD OF. to be honest, i am damn grateful to be able to play this without a j360 and/or importing in general. so i'm buying this not only because i've been wanting to play this for an age but to show that Cave's games are wanted outside of japan. and if any charges are attached, it's microsoft's fault for how their live pricing and shit work.

[Deca]

I want it to work for years to come, on any Xbox I own, regardless of if Xbox marketplace still exists

By the time XBL shuts down, if that even happens within our lifetimes, I'm sure hacking in/unlocking DLC won't be a big deal and the files will be floating around online.

[mrsmiley381]

I want it to work for years to come, on any Xbox I own, regardless of if Xbox marketplace still exists

By the time XBL shuts down, if that even happens within our lifetimes, I'm sure hacking in/unlocking DLC won't be a big deal and the files will be floating around online.

While that goes into piracy-do-not-talk-about-shame-shame territory, you're quite right. Damn shame that it'd be a bit of a hassle to deal with that.

I'm quite excited for you European shmuppers. Hell, I'm jealous. Better yet, I seem to have entered into a war with some European fellow in the comments section while simultaneously having my comment tied for being highest ranked.

All in all, I'd really like to see this sell well and for more shmups to make it overseas. The way I see it, the more people playing, the better.

[Zeron]

Paid DLC for extra modes?

Sorry, they just lost my sale. Put it all in the box, or don't bother. I refuse to buy games where significant parts are extra DLC. I want it to work for years to come, on any Xbox I own, regardless of if Xbox marketplace still exists, and I want to be able to lend it to my friends, can't do that with DLC stuff.

(I won't be pirating it either, I just simply don't care to own such titles, which is a shame, it was a guaranteed sale until I read that part)

How about you buy the game and dont buy the DLC no one is forcing you to purchase them.

[spadgy]

It's great that there's so much positivity about this, but I just thought I'd respond to the few wondering about the lack of BL Arrange (Ketsuipachi).

I'm not in a position to blabber too much about RSG's agreements with Cave, but consider this.

This game has to satisfy us core shmup fans, sure, but it also has to sell enough (probably far more) units to mainstream players to make RSG and Cave some money. So RSG have to try and please as wide a range of people and consider the disc contents very carefully. If they make money reaching a wider audience than just us lot, us core fans get to see future Cave games (and maybe shmups by other developers) release in the PAL territory.

We all win, but it does mean the contents of the disc have to be carefully considered. There's a good chance getting Ketsuipachi could have meant missing out on other modes that we would have wanted, or even made for a less complete, appealing package to both core and mainstream gamers.

Of course, RSG really listen to us lot, and too their other customers, so maybe they could eventually look at a Ketsuipachi release!

[jepjepjep]

Paid DLC for extra modes?

Sorry, they just lost my sale. Put it all in the box, or don't bother. I refuse to buy games where significant parts are extra DLC. I want it to work for years to come, on any Xbox I own, regardless of if Xbox marketplace still exists, and I want to be able to lend it to my friends, can't do that with DLC stuff.

(I won't be pirating it either, I just simply don't care to own such titles, which is a shame, it was a guaranteed sale until I read that part)

I agree with your views on DLC entirely IseeThings, but in this case we have to consider that the full original Japanese game is the same as the PAL disc release. The paid DLC modes were sold as a separate disc release in Japan. So really you are getting the full game. Instead of boycotting the disc release because of the DLC, we should all urge them to additionally bring over the "black label" disc which has the extra modes.

[IseeThings]

Paid DLC for extra modes?

Sorry, they just lost my sale. Put it all in the box, or don't bother. I refuse to buy games where significant parts are extra DLC. I want it to work for years to come, on any Xbox I own, regardless of if Xbox marketplace still exists, and I want to be able to lend it to my friends, can't do that with DLC stuff.

(I won't be pirating it either, I just simply don't care to own such titles, which is a shame, it was a guaranteed sale until I read that part)

How about you buy the game and dont buy the DLC no one is forcing you to purchase them.

Because I refuse to buy into this 'buy twice' culture, and this is an obvious exploitation of it. There is absolutely no reason they couldn't have put that content on the disc, as part of the regular release. It's nothing but a remixed / retuned version of the game, using the same data files, which has already been created.

As I said, I have no intention to pirate it, but I'll also make a stand against this kind of thing by simply passing on it. They shouldn't be pulling this shit, especially not in a niche market!

The whole 'tied to online services' thing erks me out, and if you really think the marketplace and DLC will still be there in a few years I really doubt it, time and time again we've seen such things shut down once the official life of the system if over, tried playing online original Xbox games lately? Dreamcast? Even older versions of some current titles no longer have servers. Less profitable games have been pulled from the marketplace in the past too I believe. It's a 'temporary' culture, where your purchases have no real value, you're effectively renting the game / mode.

Don't get me wrong, I'm happy the game is coming over here, I just wish the industry would get over this ridiculous phase, instead I see it only growing. I avoid buying PC games these days due to the DRM crap, and this stuff is just as annoying.

[thrillrida]

is your name kane garland
buy the game or don't buy the game but don't pretend that you're taking a noble stand when you're absolutely part of the problem

[Bananamatic]

I'd buy it even if it was only 1.5

black label looks interesting though(or rather the OST for BL is godly)

[IseeThings]

is your name kane garland
buy the game or don't buy the game but don't pretend that you're taking a noble stand when you're absolutely part of the problem

Part of what problem? I've stated I'm not pirating it. I just won't be playing it. I don't own a modded Xbox to pirate it even if I wanted to.

Produce something I want to buy, and I'll buy it, devalue it by ripping half of the experience out into DLC, and I won't. It really is that simple.

If I was pirating the game this wouldn't bother me one bit and I'd have no reason to complain, but I'm not, and it does annoy me.

[Age of Kings]

I really don't think a BL retail disc (without Ketsuipachi at least) in addition to all the stuff that comes with vanilla 1.5 is commercially viable. There are many costs involved with making retail discs, and Europe is lucky to get the option of Black Label DLC on release day. Shame on those companies for making sensible business decisions based on the market and *gasp* trying to make a profit!

[IseeThings]

I really don't think a BL retail disc in addition to all the stuff that comes with vanilla 1.5 is commercially viable. There are many costs involved with making retail discs, and Europe is lucky to get the option of Black Label DLC on release day. Shame on those companies for making sensible business decisions based on the market and *gasp* trying to make a profit!

What I'm saying is that it should just be part of the original package.

Anyhow, the market will decide what it's worth.

I've decided that without the BL stuff included it isn't worth the asking price (to me) so I won't be buying it. Even if the DLC was *free* I wouldn't be buying it for the same reason, because it's still not part of the original package.

They've passed on the opportunity to put out a single REALLY good disc release, and jumped on the DLC bandwagon, as a result they will be making no profit whatsoever out of me over this release when they would have done otherwise.

[Age of Kings]

Shame on those companies for *gasp* trying to make a profit!

[Bananamatic]

yeah, but you have DLC as standalone expansions(1.5, BL and ketsuipachi are pretty much different games) and DLC that involves shamelessly ripping 50% of the game's content and making you pay double for the whole thing

1 year ago I would fellate a tramp for a single 1.5 credit and now we have it with several arrange modes
can't complain

[dunpeal2064]

I want every Cave game on one disk or I never buy vidya gaem again! You will lose all profit from my massive contributions

[dan76]

It is a shame that we are not getting a "complete" retail disc in the way that the Deathsmiles release was. It's still good news though... and I'll probably buy it anyhow. I'm no fan of dlc and was hoping that the PAL releases would collect all the different game modes together to give maximum value for money to the fickle western gamer.


@IseeThings - version 1.51 is virtually identical to 1.5, but with a few scoring tweaks. Black Label is entirely different. The graphics are much darker, Stage 5's lasers of death have been reduced by half, and there's a rank bar that alters bullet intensity as you play it. Playing for score and survival are totally different to 1.5. Yagawa really worked his magic on this one, and it's well worth whatever price they decide to charge for it. In fact I'd say it's worth buying the retail disc just so you can download BL.

[IseeThings]

It is a shame that we are not getting a "complete" retail disc in the way that the Deathsmiles release was. It's still good news though... and I'll probably buy it anyhow. I'm no fan of dlc and was hoping that the PAL releases would collect all the different game modes together to give maximum value for money to the fickle western gamer.


@IseeThings - version 1.51 is virtually identical to 1.5, but with a few scoring tweaks. Black Label is entirely different. The graphics are much darker, Stage 5's lasers of death have been reduced by half, and there's a rank bar that alters bullet intensity as you play it. Playing for score and survival are totally different to 1.5. Yagawa really worked his magic on this one, and it's well worth whatever price they decide to charge for it. In fact I'd say it's worth buying the retail disc just so you can download BL.

Yeah I bought Deathsmiles and was 100% satisfied with it, that's how a release of these things should be, heck I wouldn't even have minded if they didn't chuck in the audio disc too, that was a really nice bonus, above and beyond what you get with most games today. I can honestly say that was one of the best purchases I've made, so many modes, the complete package.

If you're selling something like a shooter in this day and age that's what you need to do. This release instead is 'pay twice' and not actually own a permanent copy of one of the things. It's as if they're throwing away everything they got right with the previous release which is a huge disappointment.

However you look at it, Black Label is a tweaked version, it's not a brand new game.

They managed it with DS, why couldn't they manage it this time?

Either way, one lost sale here, sorry.

[Matskat]

Bring that shit stateside, son! WHUT!

[Sumez]

So who's going to publish this in the US? Maybe another Games-On-Demand release? If not, maybe a region-free disc? One can dream.

I imagine Cave will require DFK to be region locked in Europe and probably release it as GoD in US as with DS2, since they'll have it translated anyway.

Just speculation of course. If you guys get DFK, I think we deserve DS2!

[Sumez]

There's a good chance getting Ketsuipachi could have meant missing out on other modes that we would have wanted, or even made for a less complete, appealing package to both core and mainstream gamers.

I can't seem to find any logic in the above - there's really nothing to loose by including all the modes in the game except from potential extra revenue - and if that were the problem, I wouldn't mind paying extra for Ketsuipachi.

[Illyrian]

Just to clarify about the music changing, if it's like the japanese version of DFK BL you just choose for stage 1-5 between 1.5 and BL (and ketsuipachi on the japan version)

You can't choose music for bosses if it's the same.

[Naryoril]

There is absolutely no reason they couldn't have put that content on the disc, as part of the regular release. It's nothing but a remixed / retuned version of the game, using the same data files, which has already been created.

check out torisuRSG's posts in this thread, especially this one

Hi all,

About the DLC:

1.51 will be DLC as we could not include it in the box. I was asked if it would be free, as it was in Japan on the first run. We're talking with MS about this - if there must be a charge, it will be the lowest possible.

Black Label will be DLC - again, we could not include it in the box.

Both available on day of release.

Thanks for your support and interest!

Torisu

i doubt the would blatantly lie to us

[Sumez]

Well, RSG couldn't put it in the box, Cave could easily have done it. This was obviously Cave's decision.

[DrTrouserPlank]

Do remember that if Black label is paid-for DLC, as Torisu said, it's pricing will be as low as they can make it.

I don't know what they charged for the BL content on the JP Live marketplace, but there's no way they'd try to release black label for something like 1200 points like they did with Futari. It would only sell to the manic hardcore crowd in Europe and that is a fairly small number of people. RSG have to (in order for this sort of game to make commercial sense for them) seek to please and attract more casual sales as well, and selling fairly expensive DLC for a niche game won't make them much money.

[sjewkestheloon]

Anyone who has imported Futari on release, me included, had to pay for the BL DLC on top of the cost of importing etc. This is not a new practice for Cave and as someone said up thread, it is most likely completely out of RSG's hands. Although I obviously would prefer to have it as an all in one package I will be happy to pick up the game and play it 'as is' until I want some variety and then I will likely get the DLC for it.

I actually think we get better value for money on this generation of console shmup ports as they seem to get more and more 'maxi' as time goes on. Most of my shmup ports over the years have been an Arcade mode and a practice mode if you were lucky. Now we usually get the Arcade mode, practice mode and at least one or two arrange modes. If you still want to play the game after exhausting all this then you can plump for some DLC and new modes. Not a bad deal when you think about the fact that Cave games are being released in the UK for reasonable prices.

[Skykid]

They managed it with DS, why couldn't they manage it this time?

Either way, one lost sale here, sorry.

No need to apologise, you can just sit at home and twiddle your thumbs while everyone else plays DFK.

You have no idea of constraints that are placed on the international distribution of the game by Cave, who are ultimately the controlling factor in how the content will be made available and distributed through RSG. The Deathsmiles content was such not because Aksys or RSG demanded it, but because Cave offered it.

RSG will take the best deal they can get based on how Cave choose to offer up the game and its various components. Remember, Cave are selling their wares here, they're also looking to get a deal out of it.

Rest easy in the knowledge that this package will be the best possible deal for Europe RSG could arrange.

[BPzeBanshee]

Well, RSG couldn't put it in the box, Cave could easily have done it. This was obviously Cave's decision.

I'm with Sumez on this one. It's most probably Cave doing the arm-bending here.

Hopefully we can get Ketsuipachi as DLC or some kind of cheap bonus material. People have been requesting it in nearly the same sentence as DFK since Rising Star Games released Deathsmiles (and possibly earlier still) and it'd be a massive cock-up for Cave/Rising Star to ignore it all along.

Having said that, I'll still buy it.