More Hope for a Ketsui Port

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TGK
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bloodflowers wrote:
TGK wrote:
slateman wrote:PS2 is underpowered huh?
It is indeed.
I still want someone to tell me how a shmup is more taxing than Gran Turismo 4, or Dynasty Warriors 5. The answer to poor coding or quick ports, is not to throw CPU power at them - despite what the entire PC world believes.
It's mostly not a CPU but memory issue. If you keep all sprites in memory all the time, and load the background each level, that can amount to a staggering amount of memory. Edit: all this while the memory is also being shared with the Operating System. And not all free memory in the console is allowed for graphics. This leaves you with some... 4MB to work with after loading the game.

Gran Turismo 4 for example, you keep a few car models in memory each stage, and the background is realtime rendered so memory use can be limited to a number of small textures, not huge screen filling chunks.

Apart from that there should be no problem, except the PS2 is hard to code for only because it is very different from a PC. PS1 and PS2 is two of their own kind. So I can see developer hesitating when considering a port.
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Recap wrote:
You know, if I call you "poor ignorant", it's also the truth, but it still is pejorative, much like the term "anal retentive", only that I used it in response to your provocation. That, or others like "elitist" or "nitpicking", are usually used by those who are just envious for not being able to participate due to their own limitations. They're "poor ignorants" instead of just "ignorants" because they open their mouth to speak about things they just have no clue.

Let me put this close example: A few years ago very few US gamers knew what the RGB signal was. Boards like this were full of people claiming that S-Video was the best thing in the world and that that RGB puristish thingie couldn't be really that different. Today very few claim such a stupidity. And what's better, lots of US gamers have found the way to take the RGB route.

It's not hard to see that with the fake low res thing it's going to be same with time. Or that Raiden III visuals are going to be generally considered anything but "fine" by those who cares about art and those nitpicking things, despite of what people like Dave4whatever exultantly believe. (By the way, Davey, you should learn to read between lines or to abstract an idea).
It's not about what's "better" it's what you assume people are like, the fact that you know more than them makes you better than them. You're like an old record collector complaining about people who are fine listening to CDs even though records are superior. RGB may look better but only hardcore people are going to shell out the money for it, especially in the US, does that mean people who are fine with S Video killed shooters? Likewise, because someone doesn't have hundreds of dollars to shell out for boards and cabinets or have access to a japanese arcade and has never actually seen the difference between fake and true low resolution, they're the ones responsible for the death of shooters? And let's not get in to the whole Raiden 3 visuals thing, which is even more stupid. Because someones fine with a games visuals (GWG ps2, Raiden3, Psykio packs etc) despite them not meeting your expectations, they killed shooters? By your bold statements anyone who is not technicallly involved in the nuts and bolts and technical aspects of graphics and display (i.e. everyone who doesn't know as much as you) are responsible for the death of shooters... If that doesn't fit the description of elitist, I don't know what does.

And I still don't know why you are calling me ignorant, since I'm not involved in any of your technical arguments. I'm not speaking about things I know nothing about, you on the other hand, with that genius
globalization killed 2d" bit... but I digress... The reason I entered this was because of your silly "everyone who is fine with Raiden 3's visuals killed shooters" nonsense, which is stupid, arrogant and elitist.

Like it or not, I've said my piece. I have nothing more to say about this.
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