Zwei's nerd rage against Ketsui DS

Frederik · Post by **Frederik** » Mon Sep 22, 2008 9:58 pm

Mods, please remove or split off this drama so people trying to get information on the actual game don´t have to sift all this crap. Thanks in advance.

Jockel · Post by **Jockel** » Mon Sep 22, 2008 10:12 pm

FrederikJurk wrote: Maybe you can convince yourself that trolling and insulting makes you somehow stand above us, but you´re not the clever manipulator that you think you are. You´re just annoying as hell and I´m saying you should get banned.

I think i just fell in love with you. ^_~

jpj · Post by **jpj** » Mon Sep 22, 2008 10:16 pm

it never ceases to amaze me, the cheapness of some people

seiatsu · Post by **seiatsu** » Mon Sep 22, 2008 10:30 pm

wtf, this is still going on...and here I thought I was coming back for more info on the game...what would make me think such a thing.

(...and as i pointed out previously, the fact that you are ignoring zweihander is that if this were released locally, it would only cost 25-30 tops. importing a game always will cost you more.)

I know, I'm not helping this die by adding to it but I'm dumbstruck. the racism doesn't help either.

jonny5 · Post by **jonny5** » Mon Sep 22, 2008 10:47 pm

@mods:

what does this guy have to do to get banned?

he is shitting all over this thread, and throwing around racist statements.....and going on about pirating games......and being an ass in general

+1 vote for ban of zweihander!!!

on topic.....i would buy this if i still had a DS....and if i wasnt buying the PCB in a month or so

Zweihander · Post by **Zweihander** » Mon Sep 22, 2008 10:59 pm

OH SNAP, racism on the internet?! What's next, political arguments? God only knows...

Zweihander · Post by **Zweihander** » Mon Sep 22, 2008 11:00 pm

jpj wrote:it never ceases to amaze me, the cheapness of some people

Yeah, $60 is pocket change for a 10-minute demo, man.

Kaspal · Post by **Kaspal** » Mon Sep 22, 2008 11:12 pm

Zweihander · Post by **Zweihander** » Mon Sep 22, 2008 11:21 pm

Kaspal wrote:

Well, at least the monkey isn't trying to type anymore.

Honestly, I'm not racist. I just hate when black people make the black populace look bad, by using poor grammar and being what I call the "stereotypical N-word".

jpj · Post by **jpj** » Mon Sep 22, 2008 11:33 pm

Zweihander wrote:
jpj wrote:it never ceases to amaze me, the cheapness of some people
Yeah, $60 is pocket change for a 10-minute demo, man.

i would pay $60 just for the dvd that comes bundled with it

are you poor?

Zweihander · Post by **Zweihander** » Mon Sep 22, 2008 11:37 pm

jpj wrote:
Zweihander wrote:
jpj wrote:it never ceases to amaze me, the cheapness of some people
Yeah, $60 is pocket change for a 10-minute demo, man.
i would pay $60 just for the dvd that comes bundled with it

are you poor?

No, I just don't pay more than $20 for a standard-def DVD movie.

jpj · Post by **jpj** » Mon Sep 22, 2008 11:39 pm

so you're cheap?

Zweihander · Post by **Zweihander** » Mon Sep 22, 2008 11:39 pm

jpj wrote:so you're cheap?

If the average consumer is considered "cheap", then yeah, I'm "cheap".

jpj · Post by **jpj** » Mon Sep 22, 2008 11:43 pm

do you think there are people cheaper than you...?

Zweihander · Post by **Zweihander** » Mon Sep 22, 2008 11:45 pm

jpj wrote:do you think there are people cheaper than you...?

Yep. I don't know anyone who would pay $50 for Bangai-O Spirits when the US version was slated for release a few months later, but hey, I did, and I bought the US version for the added content and ease of menu-navigation. The difference being, Bangai-O Spirits is a full game, Ketsui DS is just a demo.

jpj · Post by **jpj** » Mon Sep 22, 2008 11:49 pm

you didn't expect a full version of ketsui ... on ds ... for ... $20 ... did you...!?

Zweihander · Post by **Zweihander** » Mon Sep 22, 2008 11:50 pm

jpj wrote:you didn't expect a full version of ketsui ... on ds ... for ... $20 ... did you...!?

No. I expected a FULL GAME for $60, and I would have gladly paid it. $25 is an acceptable price for a boss-rush demo.

jpj · Post by **jpj** » Mon Sep 22, 2008 11:55 pm

they can charge whatever they like for it because it's their product

Zweihander · Post by **Zweihander** » Mon Sep 22, 2008 11:57 pm

jpj wrote:they can charge whatever they like for it because it's their product

And I can download whatever I like to evaluate it before any thought of purchase because it's my money. In contrast, $60 for Megaman 9 would be a better bargain.

jpj · Post by **jpj** » Tue Sep 23, 2008 12:03 am

i'm not sure, but i think you're saying that you do WANT the game ... you can AFFORD the game ... but you are too much of a bread crumb snatcher to BUY the game...?

Zweihander · Post by **Zweihander** » Tue Sep 23, 2008 12:07 am

jpj wrote:i'm not sure, but i think you're saying that you do WANT the game ... you can AFFORD the game ... but you are too much of a bread crumb snatcher to BUY the game...?

Pretty much. I was very excited about it until I found out it was just a demo. Now it's sort of a "meh" title for me; I wouldn't mind owning it, but only if I can get it for a reasonable price. Hell, I'm still iffy about buying Radiant Silvergun and Panzer Dragoon Saga. However, even as a Cave collector, $60 for a demo can piss off. Would you pay $60 for Ikaruga if it was just a 10-minute boss rush? I wouldn't.

jp · Post by jp » Tue Sep 23, 2008 12:10 am

Just out of curiosity...

Do the Death Label boards (if there are death label boards) cost the same to play as the regular Cave stuff in arcades? And do they cost as much as the regular kits (assuming its not a mod)?

jpj · Post by **jpj** » Tue Sep 23, 2008 12:14 am

like i said before, i would pay $60 just for the dvd, and give the game away for free (i don't have a nintendo ds)

maybe it's because i have a bit more disposable income i can't really see this as something exorbitantly expensive. you're talking about a $60 price tag as if mihara has just walked into your bedroom and shat on your face, when the pcb of this game swaps hands for about $1,000.

EOJ · Post by **EOJ** » Tue Sep 23, 2008 12:15 am

@jp: There are no Death Label boards. There are Black Label versions released in the arcades, though. And yes, they cost the same to play and to buy as the regular games.

Ketsui DS is not a demo. It's a boss-rush scoring game with a new scoring system, three different routes, a full multiplayer mode (with a long stage), training mode, and an interactive quiz game mode as well (you'll only be able to enjoy this if you can read Japanese). Plus you get the superplay DVD which is worth the price of admission alone - the previous Ketsui superplay sells for over $150 now.

BTW If you want the game for under $25, buy it and sell the superplay DVD for $30-$40. It won't be hard to find a buyer for that. Problem solved.

jp · Post by jp » Tue Sep 23, 2008 12:28 am

Na, I meant Death Label. I thought Death Label is what stood for Boss Rush Mode for Cave's games, and I was just wondering if those were actually in arcades or not.

But since they are not, then I guess the point I would've made there would be moot. Regardless, Ketsui Death Label looks like an excellent handheld shmup.

Zweihander · Post by **Zweihander** » Tue Sep 23, 2008 3:19 am

I love how people try to justify Ketsui DS's absurd price by mentioning even more absurdly-priced items like PCB's and superplay DVD's. Can someone refresh me on why a superplay DVD should cost more than two games or several actual DVD movies?

Zweihander · Post by **Zweihander** » Tue Sep 23, 2008 3:48 am

jp wrote:Na, I meant Death Label. I thought Death Label is what stood for Boss Rush Mode for Cave's games, and I was just wondering if those were actually in arcades or not.

But since they are not, then I guess the point I would've made there would be moot. Regardless, Ketsui Death Label looks like an excellent handheld demo. All it needs now is a D3 Publisher price tag.

Fixed.

NTSC-J · Post by **NTSC-J** » Tue Sep 23, 2008 3:56 am

Let it go.

Zweihander · Post by **Zweihander** » Tue Sep 23, 2008 3:58 am

NTSC-J wrote:Let it go.

I know, right? It's just sad, though. Watching so many people willing to throw away their money for half a game is like watching a group of lemmings run off a cliff.

Necronopticous · Post by **Necronopticous** » Tue Sep 23, 2008 4:07 am

Negatively judging and labeling patrons of a game you've yet to play is more sad, dude.