UltraHDMI group-buy ROUND 7 - 2021-01-30 UPDATE

[Lethal]

Our intention is to only help the group buy users out that have been waiting a long time, not put the Turners in some type of bind.

Wouldn't it be easier to just send/supply the Turners with a bigger stack of N64D boards to help out with this GB again?

You guys sent over 50 boards from the first run to help out, and you got paid for those, right? If yes, I don't see the issue with helping out with another 50, 100 (or more) boards. If you got paid for the first 50, it's safe(?) to say you'll get paid for the next batch of boards you help supply them with. It would also be (imo) far less likely for the people (still waiting on this group buy) to ask for a refund.

If you can help out again, the Turners will be able to give a lot more people 3 choices when they get to their name/spot on the list... get the UltraHDMI board, or an N64D board, or a refund. Imo, this would help make things less complicated, and people wouldn't have to make a new/separate payment just for the N64D board, and then potentially ask for a refund from the Turners/Marshal.

That would literally make no difference because the brothers are already apparently sitting on "hundreds" of kits yet have done fuck all to ship out more than a tiny trickle each month. They also can't provide refunds because they no longer have the money. They spent it/misappropriated it and are now depending on stringing along new buyers to subsidize the backlogged orders from 2 years ago.

[Lethal]

One of the many reasons they can't afford to issue refunds and instead are hiding from those that have been hounding them for their money back for upwards of a year is because they sent marshall $6000 of customers money for DAC's they never had orders for.

Why do you think they keep pushing for buyers to include one?

Literally the exact opposite. We didn't have enough DACs to meet demand and were actively discouraging people until he ended up sending way more than anyone needed (or paid for).

The typical response when offered a DAC is "what's that?" and my bro has to go back and forth about upgraded analog with RGB/YPbPr Component, how the N64Digital includes one but it's optional on the UltraHDMI, etc. They usually want it. When they don't, half the time they end up hemming and hawing and change their mind about it a few times. My brother is very patient and tries to help them decide what they actually want. No one has been pressured to buy a DAC. The closest thing I can imagine is when my brother has gone back and contacted people for other reasons and mentioned that we now have more DACs than we need in case they have changed their mind. Heck, some people are coming to us looking for DACs after their kit was shipped without one.

Just yesterday someone contacted me looking for install service. I recognized the serial number as one we shipped without a DAC to a group buyer who bought several. I mentioned that we had extra DACs on hand and he replied with the usual "what's that?" In the end, he decided he wants one. He's even getting it at-cost like everyone else in the group buy.

I'm sure that's the case. Just like all the other numerous lies you've been pedaling since the end of last year to keep buying time and pushing the hope narrative. You openly admitted that you're now stuck with far more DAC's then you need and in return owe marshall the money for them. Money that you clearly don't have and that customers never provided in advance since DAC's weren't included with their orders.

It really feels like 2 weeks wasn't near long enough...

Yeah, two weeks without, as stated by another user as "the mob" attacking everyone with the ability to think critically/objectively over this mess sure was a shining beacon of just how bad the situation has become. When the forum admin will go to the length of handing out bans to censor anyone exposing what has transpired it sure is a reflection of the dystopian present we live in where criticism is silenced at the expense of the truth. When the only narrative allowed is that of those that took everyone’s money and couldn’t deliver that sure is a great look.

My replies to you were deleted and now you've got people thinking you were the one censored and that I avoided tough questions even though I systematically addressed every single one. Not only that, you were still here during the ban as "wtf."


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“Sudo?” Like SuperUserDo? Where have I seen someone make that mistake before?


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Looks like one other person on this forum has used it incorrectly, and it ain’t samson7point1. He was quoting... YOU.


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Oh, look at that... "peanut gallery." Looks like another phrase wtf used during his short time here.

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I don't think you should be speaking on behalf of anyone other than yourself when you logically can't comprehend the difference between someone complaining about their order not being received in a week and someone simply asking for a reply to a 4 month old email after they waited 2 years. The only one that seems to have "come out of the woodwork" is you to white knight for what I can only guess is that you literally have nothing better to do with your time then virtue signal as some self appointed sudo hero. Just to make it clear, whatever deranged fantasy you live in certainly isn't the same as "everyone" else but thanks for yet another laugh at the peanut gallery's expense.

I have nothing meaningful to contribute to this exchange but I'm bored and have nothing better to do right now so I decided to contribute something shallow and almost utterly meaningless. I believe you want to say "pseudo hero" - as in a person spuriously pretending to be a hero. "SUdo" is a Linux/UNIX half-acronym meaning "Super User does". If I try to interpret this through that lens it comes across as something akin to an actual super hero, but as that's not in keeping with the tone of your response I deduce you meant the other thing. This concludes another pointless interruption, you may now return to the exchange already in progress.

Oh, I'd say it was more meaningful than you intended. Lethal is wtf, confirmed.

I also noticed that both accounts were inexplicably cagey about their list position/alias. Based on his vaguely implied position, why is he even still here? ...unless he was lying about it he should be done in July despite us having even more extreme transportation issues for the rest of that month. It seems now he's here just to argue and anonymously stir up you-know-what.

No. Pseudo as in fake. Not the linux administrator elevated privileges command but thanks for stooping to the new low of nitpicking marginal grammatical errors caused by auto correct. I guess you've now changed professions from internet scam artist to SUDO detective. I can use the word search feature on my browser too. Maybe I should do so and then claim everyone that utilized the word "the" as the same person. What a genius breakthrough that would be!

So poor man's intellectual antics aside, I'm still looking for a round 7 fulfillment date which you've coincidentally only deflected two dozen times by now. Your creditability is already ruined. What do you have to hide at this point that you keep ignoring the question?

[Joelepain]

Why you don't use all your genius skill to search how many different person wrote "Lethal just shup the f**k up" and see how many time you've coincidentally deflected by now.

[Lethal]

Why you don't use all your genius skill to search how many different person wrote "Lethal just shup the f**k up" and see how many time you've coincidentally deflected by now.

Why would I bother when I couldn't care less? I'm here to obtain what I paid for, not to worry about fangirls running to the defense of the brothers NEARLY 3 YEARS LATER. There's also nothing to deflect. I answer all posts referencing my user name. Unlike the brothers that hide or outright ignore emails for months on end only to show up to create arbitrary contact policies 2 years later to avoid accountability and those demanding refunds for kits they got scammed for.

[Deeb0]

Lethal I just can't handle your posts anymore, I'll front your $300 plus $50 for your trouble and I'll take your kits. If there's a way we can sort it out with James then let's do this please.

Pm me your email so we can sort it out.

[fernan1234]

Deeb0 obviously you can do as you want with your money but that seems a bit extreme!

Easy to see how Lethal's tone can bother you, but there's also some good points brought up in there.

Of course no accountability what so ever as to why another braindead decision (if this one is to even be believed) as to why you would lend out your only car, much less to a fool in their 20's that only has a learner's permit.

This point may seem kind of tangential but it's hard to argue against it, and also made me laugh tbh .

[Lethal]

Lethal I just can't handle your posts anymore, I'll front your $300 plus $50 for your trouble and I'll take your kits. If there's a way we can sort it out with James then let's do this please.

Pm me your email so we can sort it out.

I would have strongly considered this a year ago but quite frankly it's now changed to a matter of principle and not sitting quiet while this travesty continues.

Appreciate the offer though.

[Lethal]

Deeb0 obviously you can do as you want with your money but that seems a bit extreme!

Easy to see how Lethal's tone can bother you, but there's also some good points brought up in there.

Of course no accountability what so ever as to why another braindead decision (if this one is to even be believed) as to why you would lend out your only car, much less to a fool in their 20's that only has a learner's permit.

This point may seem kind of tangential but it's hard to argue against it, and also made me laugh tbh .

You know I actually accepted/believed their excuses up until a certain point but now it's just too damn convenient that literally every month they pop up with a new emergency as a reason to not fulfill the obligations they set. Nor have any of the actual hard questions been even acknowledged much less answered. It's just dumbass decision after dumbass decision and then when it comes back to bite them in the ass they put out a 1500 word sob story equating to "The world hates us. It's everyone's fault except ours. Please feel bad and provide sympathy and ignore the fact we're running a ponzi scheme stringing you along by the nose."

It's so far past the point of ridiculous it's almost comical now.

[Lopenator]

Lethal I just can't handle your posts anymore, I'll front your $300 plus $50 for your trouble and I'll take your kits. If there's a way we can sort it out with James then let's do this please.

Pm me your email so we can sort it out.

I'll happily take you on that offer. I paid only 205$ 1 kit and 1 install.

[mikechi2]

I have no horse in this race, just a third party observer.

As obnoxious as you think Lethal might be, you kind of have to sympathize a bit with his frustration. Some proof of that the money has been paid or that the funds are intact and still in the possession would go a long way towards alleviating fears. I don't think this is an unreasonable demand in terms of both transparency and time.

[Lopenator]

I have no horse in this race, just a third party observer.

As obnoxious as you think Lethal might be, you kind of have to sympathize a bit with his frustration. Some proof of that the money has been paid or that the funds are intact and still in the possession would go a long way towards alleviating fears. I don't think this is an unreasonable demand in terms of both transparency and time.

Everyone here can talk sh*t about Lethal all day long, but I agree with him and understand where he comes from 100%.

[Tubo]

Everyone here can talk sh*t about Lethal all day long, but I agree with him and understand where he comes from 100%.

There's being right, and there's being an asshole. You can be the former without the later, but that is lost on Lethal.

[mikechi2]

Imo., the most expedient method to make this nonsense go away would be a clear, concise summary (with appropriate proof) of a) what happened to the funds and b) if the funds were used to purchase the units, what the timeline is on production.

[ifightdragons]

Lethal is not being an asshole. He is merely direct, which is always uncomfortable if you've had the wool pulled over your eyes for far too long.

He's been the only one consistently willing to call out the constant bs from the brothers, all the while being attacked for doing so.

On top of that, he is correct.

[alucard971]

I've said that I agree with Lethal. He *is* right. But just simply giving a personal perspective that I have seen with my own eyes on the situation, he called me a "white knight" and a "fallater of the lords". No, he is definitely an asshole, but he is right.

[hushed]

To all the nay sayers, go look at the sheet. They have 345 marked as delivered or shipped. It sure seems like they have shipped a lot for it to be whatever scheme you think it is.

[alucard971]

To all the nay sayers, go look at the sheet. They have 345 marked as delivered or shipped. It sure seems like they have shipped a lot for it to be whatever scheme you think it is.

Yes. The list is moving. Progress is being made. I have seen the workshop, the HW2 units, and units being installed. There are posts of people receiving their units. So we can't say that this is a scam or scheme.

But the overlying issue is not about progress made. It's more about how it's being handled. In the Turners mind, this is the best way to handle this situation for them. They go down the list and have people answer the questionnaire: UltraHDMI, N64Digital, or refund. They have explained it in many previous posts how it works but the gist is it saves them from error of refunding a unit now and later completing an install anyways and losing out their personal money. I get that. But the opposite is people have been waiting for 2 years. N64 Digital is out, lives have moved on, people have lost interest, financial burdens have happened and generally some people just want out for fear of losing money. But they can't. They are stuck in a mythical batch of units that may or may not be produced. What's to say Marshal doesn't drop everything and that 345 marked as delivered or shipped is the last? Then the remaining customers have tied their money into a product for nothing and have to sit on not knowing if they are going to get their money back.

There's a lot more to it than that, but the point is everyone has valid arguments. No voice here is more powerful than the other. We need to stop fighting each other and come up with some ways to make this work for everyone. Ultimately it relies on continued production of the Ultra HDMI's. Provided that continues I'm sure James and Julian would be open to ideas that worked for everyone.

Call me a "fallater of the lords" all you want. I am trying to see this objectively from both sides. I trust and believe in the Turners. They do excellent installations. I believe they have their customers in their heart. I sympathize with how difficult it is to balance everything with each new disaster. But I also sympathize with everyone who is so angry and feel things could be handled in a way that would work for everyone, like Mike has suggested.

[Lopenator]

To all the nay sayers, go look at the sheet. They have 345 marked as delivered or shipped. It sure seems like they have shipped a lot for it to be whatever scheme you think it is.

Where is it showing up to 345 is delivered? Maybe I'm reading the list incorrectly but it is showing me 176 has got it delivered. A lot of people ABOVE 176 did not get it delivered. Well, then it skips people below 176 all the way down to 214. It ends there. It looks like they're skipping people.

[Wirewizard]

I see serial numbers up to 249, random delivery to people after 141 and even myself on the list, as I'm 298 and Christian D in 316 status is "in transit" for an N64digital (what makes him so special?).

It's a little frustrating to see, whilst I'm a patient person and can wait with the best of them, this is only a mod for an old games console and I do sympathise with the brothers current situation as natural disasters can take months/years to recover from, delivering kits to people in the wrong order is a bit harsh. Even if you do go to see the brothers personally to get it done, no should have been the answer as there are customers before you in the queue.

I would never have done that to one of my customers!

I'm not sure if we are classed as customers in a group buy, but that's just not cool!

[mikechi2]

They are stuck in a mythical batch of units that may or may not be produced. What's to say Marshal doesn't drop everything and that 345 marked as delivered or shipped is the last? Then the remaining customers have tied their money into a product for nothing and have to sit on not knowing if they are going to get their money back.

Other people have suggested this as well: the best thing that the Turners could do is just provide some proof (i.e. bank statements) and assurance that the funds are intact or have been paid to Marshall, and that the remaining units are actually going to be made. This really shouldn't take much time and would put everyone at ease.

I would never have done that to one of my customers!

I'm not sure if we are classed as customers in a group buy, but that's just not cool!

To me, it's clear as day that this is a business transaction and that everyone is a customer. Even if we take the narrative that this is "just a group buy with no profit motive", the fact is that a substantial money has been entrusted which entails a degree of accountability, morally and legally.

[ldeveraux]

To me, it's clear as day that this is a business transaction and that everyone is a customer. Even if we take the narrative that this is "just a group buy with no profit motive", the fact is that a substantial money has been entrusted which entails a degree of accountability, morally and legally.

This was a group buy; gathering clearly far too many people together to make it worthwhile for Marshall to make available to the masses devices that normally would not be. They mentioned pages and pages ago where the money was at the time (with Marshall? I don't remember, it doesn't pertain to me). The last 20 pages are exactly why he didn't want to sell directly, and why the brothers should never have taken it on. It's vastly different from your business as you sell to buyers directly. Someone who really wants to know should scour through the thread's backpages and determine that without having to show a bank statement.

[skitals]

I see serial numbers up to 249, random delivery to people after 141 and even myself on the list, as I'm 298 and Christian D in 316 status is "in transit" for an N64digital (what makes him so special?).

It's a little frustrating to see, whilst I'm a patient person and can wait with the best of them, this is only a mod for an old games console and I do sympathise with the brothers current situation as natural disasters can take months/years to recover from, delivering kits to people in the wrong order is a bit harsh. Even if you do go to see the brothers personally to get it done, no should have been the answer as there are customers before you in the queue.

I would never have done that to one of my customers!

I'm not sure if we are classed as customers in a group buy, but that's just not cool!

It has been addressed. The ones being fulfilled out of order are for installs which they already had the console shipped to them and have been in their storage for months/years. Their house has been destroyed and they have been displaced multiple times and have a huge number of "customer" consoles already in possession. I think it's completely understandable they want to get those consoles out of their possession given their circumstances. You can think it's totally not fair, but it is what it is. I think it's understandable. Most people in their predicament would have up and run with the money, but things are still moving along slowly but surely.

[hushed]

Other people have suggested this as well: the best thing that the Turners could do is just provide some proof (i.e. bank statements) and assurance that the funds are intact or have been paid to Marshall, and that the remaining units are actually going to be made. This really shouldn't take much time and would put everyone at ease.

Would you please clean up your quotes? You attribute something to me which I didn't say. I believe this was unintentional. No hard feelings here. Thanks!

[hushed]

To all the nay sayers, go look at the sheet. They have 345 marked as delivered or shipped. It sure seems like they have shipped a lot for it to be whatever scheme you think it is.

Where is it showing up to 345 is delivered? Maybe I'm reading the list incorrectly but it is showing me 176 has got it delivered. A lot of people ABOVE 176 did not get it delivered. Well, then it skips people below 176 all the way down to 214. It ends there. It looks like they're skipping people.

I duplicated their sheet to my own google drive. I copied Cell H over, and pulled the quantity out, from the dollar amount in column W on my copy. That is what they have marked as delivered/delivered in person, or similar. There are a handful marked as in transit, but those aren't in my count.

You can find my copy where I isolate the deliveries here: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... sp=sharing

[mikechi2]

Other people have suggested this as well: the best thing that the Turners could do is just provide some proof (i.e. bank statements) and assurance that the funds are intact or have been paid to Marshall, and that the remaining units are actually going to be made. This really shouldn't take much time and would put everyone at ease.

Would you please clean up your quotes? You attribute something to me which I didn't say. I believe this was unintentional. No hard feelings here. Thanks!

My bad and done.

[Lethal]

Everyone here can talk sh*t about Lethal all day long, but I agree with him and understand where he comes from 100%.

There's being right, and there's being an asshole. You can be the former without the later, but that is lost on Lethal.

There's being niave and there's being a bootlicker. Clearly you're the later with logical reasoning being lost on you.

[Lethal]

To all the nay sayers, go look at the sheet. They have 345 marked as delivered or shipped. It sure seems like they have shipped a lot for it to be whatever scheme you think it is.

What the hell are you even talking about?

According to the list they have only shipped roughly 150 orders out of 851. And the kicker is that it's taken them nearly 3 years to do so.

Do the math on how long that will take them to realistically fulfill round 7 alone much less the additions on top of that.

You can spread all the bullshit you want but unless you're looking at a completely different list than the google doc provided in the first post, you're just going to be exposed as the brothers puppet yet again.

[Lethal]

To all the nay sayers, go look at the sheet. They have 345 marked as delivered or shipped. It sure seems like they have shipped a lot for it to be whatever scheme you think it is.

Yes. The list is moving. Progress is being made. I have seen the workshop, the HW2 units, and units being installed. There are posts of people receiving their units. So we can't say that this is a scam or scheme.

But the overlying issue is not about progress made. It's more about how it's being handled. In the Turners mind, this is the best way to handle this situation for them. They go down the list and have people answer the questionnaire: UltraHDMI, N64Digital, or refund. They have explained it in many previous posts how it works but the gist is it saves them from error of refunding a unit now and later completing an install anyways and losing out their personal money. I get that. But the opposite is people have been waiting for 2 years. N64 Digital is out, lives have moved on, people have lost interest, financial burdens have happened and generally some people just want out for fear of losing money. But they can't. They are stuck in a mythical batch of units that may or may not be produced. What's to say Marshal doesn't drop everything and that 345 marked as delivered or shipped is the last? Then the remaining customers have tied their money into a product for nothing and have to sit on not knowing if they are going to get their money back.

There's a lot more to it than that, but the point is everyone has valid arguments. No voice here is more powerful than the other. We need to stop fighting each other and come up with some ways to make this work for everyone. Ultimately it relies on continued production of the Ultra HDMI's. Provided that continues I'm sure James and Julian would be open to ideas that worked for everyone.

Call me a "fallater of the lords" all you want. I am trying to see this objectively from both sides. I trust and believe in the Turners. They do excellent installations. I believe they have their customers in their heart. I sympathize with how difficult it is to balance everything with each new disaster. But I also sympathize with everyone who is so angry and feel things could be handled in a way that would work for everyone, like Mike has suggested.

What good does the "workshop" do when they have basically done fuck all with it? What you call "progress" (literally less than 10 kits per month have shipped since round 7 opened) any logical person that doesn't breathe from their mouth would call fucking the dog, taking you for a ride or a scam. According to the first post in this thread there's also been zero refunds provided since November of last year. So they clearly aren't doing that either. If you had even a single ounce of objectivity in your posts you would have concluded by now that this is and has been a complete tire fire for essentially a year now and what's taking place no longer has any justifiable excuses. You can't literally have a new "emergency" every month that prevents any reasonable progress for weeks on end each time. Wake up already.

[Lethal]

To all the nay sayers, go look at the sheet. They have 345 marked as delivered or shipped. It sure seems like they have shipped a lot for it to be whatever scheme you think it is.

Where is it showing up to 345 is delivered? Maybe I'm reading the list incorrectly but it is showing me 176 has got it delivered. A lot of people ABOVE 176 did not get it delivered. Well, then it skips people below 176 all the way down to 214. It ends there. It looks like they're skipping people.

They are.

As I said a few pages back they are no longer "going down the list in numeric order" but rather subjectively forwarding kits to their buddies ahead of everyone else despite others having placed orders over a year earlier.

It's just another of their dubious bullshit decisions that's a direct contradiction to what they have stated at one point or another in this thread and that no one else can make sense of.

[Lethal]

To me, it's clear as day that this is a business transaction and that everyone is a customer. Even if we take the narrative that this is "just a group buy with no profit motive", the fact is that a substantial money has been entrusted which entails a degree of accountability, morally and legally.

This was a group buy; gathering clearly far too many people together to make it worthwhile for Marshall to make available to the masses devices that normally would not be. They mentioned pages and pages ago where the money was at the time (with Marshall? I don't remember, it doesn't pertain to me). The last 20 pages are exactly why he didn't want to sell directly, and why the brothers should never have taken it on. It's vastly different from your business as you sell to buyers directly. Someone who really wants to know should scour through the thread's backpages and determine that without having to show a bank statement.

Here we go again, the biggest turner apologist pops out of the woodwork in desperation still trying to cling to the narrative that this wasn't a sale between two parties despite all legal definitions and terminology stating that it is. I couldn't imagine going through life this ignorant and oblivious constantly trying to convince other people fantasy was reality.